Current Events > Explain why they would fire nurses in the middle of a pandemic.

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If hospitals are so full, how can they afford to let go of so many nurses/healthcare professionals that refuse the vaccine?

Tell me it's not political.

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Because they are putting patients and other staff at risk.

And yes, refusing the vaccine is 100% political. There are at least a dozen mandatory vaccines simply to become a nurse in most hospitals. These are no different.

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Because the spread that's prevented by firing a small number of them who would otherwise almost certianly have brought covid into the hospitals - keeping in mind those that simply don't care (rather than being actively anti-vaxx) would likely just get the shot in the face of a mandate - would be a far greater burden on the healthcare system than having a few less nurses.

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DarkRoast posted...

Because they are putting patients and other staff at risk.

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Because a nurse who isn't vaccinated is more likely to catch and spread the deadly virus causing all the problems.

Is this somehow confusing?

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What good would a nuse who's hurting the patients do?

Having them is a net negative

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They're actively aiding the spread of coronavirus.

You can't be a nurse without the Hepatitis vaccine either

Or a bunch of others

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Woozul posted...

Hate how politics has made it to where people suddenly dont understand how viruses work.

God, imagine if we were dealing with polio in 2021

I dont think the common person actually even knows how a virus works before covid anyways. A lot of people seem to think a virus is like a bacterial infection.

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That data shows that those who have the vaccine and those who do not have the vaccine can both spread covid.

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-GalacticBass- posted...

That data shows that those who have the vaccine and those who do not have the vaccine can both spread covid.

It's not equally likely though.

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-GalacticBass- posted...

That data shows that those who have the vaccine and those who do not have the vaccine can both spread covid.

Studies show that vaccinated spread less than unvaccinated, so for a nurse, get vaccinated.

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It's political

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LightHawKnight posted...

Studies show that vaccinated spread less than unvaccinated, so for a nurse, get vaccinated.

And what about the nurses who've already had covid and thus have more antibodies than the vaccine provides?

The data shows those who've had covid and also get the vaccine are actually more likely to get the delta variant. Should nurses who've had covid put themselves at risk to keep their jobs?

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DarkRoast posted...

Because they are putting patients and other staff at risk.

There are other ways to prevent risk to staff and patients. For instance, you could just administer a test before each nurse's shift, and if it's negative, then they can work. You can't spread a virus that you don't have.

They should be doing this to vaccinated staff too, come to think of it, since they can still get and spread it. Why aren't they?

Everyone should be assumed infected until proven healthy, regardless of whether they got the vaccine or not.
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FarFromFields posted...

It's not equally likely though.

If it's not equally likely but still likely, how come vaccinated nurses aren't required to prove they don't have covid before working?

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I think we can all agree that the science and data do not back up the way these mandates are being presented.

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It's always either the brand new accounts or the super old ones. There's not a whole lot of in-between
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Politics. At this point those nurse probably already got natural immunity. They just want to punish those who won't get in line.

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there's an alarmingly high amount of stupid in the medical field. some of it is willful ignorance, some of it is just sheer anger at the medical profession due to burnout.

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Because they want less sick people and unvaccinated nurses are a risk. The pros outweighed the cons.

-GalacticBass- posted...

The data shows those who've had covid and also get the vaccine are actually more likely to get the delta variant.

I'm interested in this claim. Do you have a source?

-GalacticBass- posted...

And what about the nurses who've already had covid and thus have more antibodies than the vaccine provides?

The data shows those who've had covid and also get the vaccine are actually more likely to get the delta variant. Should nurses who've had covid put themselves at risk to keep their jobs?

Any source on this?

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-GalacticBass- posted...

I think we can all agree

Lmfao

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-GalacticBass- posted...

And what about the nurses who've already had covid and thus have more antibodies than the vaccine provides?

Ok so? What's your solution here? Throw covid parties and force all the unvaccinated nurses to get covid and the antibodies? Also that has nothing to do with what you quoted. People who aren't vaccinated also might not have had covid, and thus have no antibodies plus no vaccine (also the antibodies only last a few months). If that person is working in a hospital, that's a huge risk to everyone.

Here's a better idea, get a vaccine to prevent covid from the start and reduce the spread of it if they do get it. Simple, easy, and free.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1?fbclid=IwAR3BzOb_2MLXXnMUqriL_Gyh6UlYolNiSf4d66oYeDcySkkFFoSmKIUUCLs

Here's the source. It looks like I may have read it wrong the first time. Upon reading it again, here's what I understand from the source...

Natural immunity is more effective and longer lasting that 2 doses of the vaccine. However, if you have natural immunity, AND 1 dose of the vaccine, you will have stronger protection against the delta variant.

So nurses who have already had covid are actually more protected than those who have not had covid and had the vaccine. Which begs the question of why we would fire tons of nurses who already have natural immunity?

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markconigliaro posted...

Ok so? What's your solution here? Throw covid parties and force all the unvaccinated nurses to get covid and the antibodies? Also that has nothing to do with what you quoted. People who aren't vaccinated also might not have had covid, and thus have no antibodies plus no vaccine (also the antibodies only last a few months). If that person is working in a hospital, that's a huge risk to everyone.

Here's a better idea, get a vaccine to prevent covid from the start and reduce the spread of it if they do get it. Simple, easy, and free.

Because there are many nurses out there who actually have stronger immunity than those who've been vaccinated and it is therefore unnecessary to force them to receive a vaccine. No one said anything about covid parties lol.

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markconigliaro posted...

Ok so? What's your solution here? Throw covid parties and force all the unvaccinated nurses to get covid and the antibodies?

One solution is to have a nuanced approach, as opposed to a one-size-fits-all solution, such as any one of the following:

1) Must have antibodies
2) Must have a recent negative test
3) Must be vaccinated.

Many workplaces used to implement such a criteria.
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Had anyone mentioned the fact that a large percentage nurses do not work in departments that are part of the hospitals being full (Im assuming they mean from covid- so ICU, critical care, ER, infectious disease, etc) and an even larger percentage of medical workers are not patient-facing?? It doesnt mean hospitals can afford to risk the stuff spreading and taking out more of the staff than those they fire

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-GalacticBass- posted...

And what about the nurses who've already had covid and thus have more antibodies than the vaccine provides?

The data shows those who've had covid and also get the vaccine are actually more likely to get the delta variant. Should nurses who've had covid put themselves at risk to keep their jobs?

Aside from that that's not true, infection and vaccination aren't mutually exclusive anyway. If you've had a natural infection *and* vaccination, you're more immune than someone who's only had one of those - no matter which one it is.

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-GalacticBass- posted...

I think we can all agree that the science and data do not back up the way these mandates are being presented.

Yeah, the mandates aren't anywhere near strict enough

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TerraSeeker posted...

Politics. At this point those nurse probably already got natural immunity. They just want to punish those who won't get in line.

And what do they gain from that?

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So you need to know why people who can't follow health protocols get fired because they endanger everyone else working at what is essentially our last line of defense?

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billcom6 posted...

Because a nurse who isn't vaccinated is more likely to catch and spread the deadly virus causing all the problems.

Is this somehow confusing?

The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching the virus.

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Njolk posted...

You can't be a nurse without the Hepatitis vaccine either

Or a bunch of others

Is the yearly flu vaccine mandatory for nurses?

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candyapplered posted...

Is the yearly flu vaccine mandatory for nurses?

In some places it is. Where I work it isn't, but the common ones (MMR, HepB, pertussis, varicella zoster) are. And now covid is on that list with the standard ones.

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candyapplered posted...

The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching the virus.

So should no one get any vaccines then? Isn't a foolproof one in existence and enough idiots can ruin herd immunity.

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Because they're contributing to the pandemic
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candyapplered posted...

Is the yearly flu vaccine mandatory for nurses?

the hospital Im at, if any employee did not take the flu shot without a medical exemption, theyd have to wear a mask through the entirety of flu season (and this has been for years, well before covid)

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candyapplered posted...

Is the yearly flu vaccine mandatory for nurses?

Yes. Nurses would come to the pharmacy every year because they were mandated to get a flu shot.

But who cares about reality when half of America can pretend vaccines are meaningless and mandates never existed before COVID?

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Daffadilio posted...

the hospital Im at, if any employee did not take the flu shot without a medical exemption, theyd have to wear a mask through the entirety of flu season (and this has been for years, well before covid)

This was how it was when I worked at a nursing home, too

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Because it's a requirement of their job. They had to get vaccinated to even get into college to get their degree.

Not to mention if a nurse or dr. refuses basic safety measures in a pandemic than they're not upholding the standards of their job.
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candyapplered posted...

The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching the virus.

Yeah Einstein, that's why I said someone unvaccinated "more likely" to catch it.

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candyapplered posted...

The vaccine doesn't prevent you from catching the virus.

It's hilarious how antivaxxers genuinely believe this is some big secret that's being kept from everyone. No, everyone is very well aware that it doesn't guarantee you will not catch the virus. Everyone is also, for that matter, very well aware that it doesn't guarantee you won't transmit it, or that you won't get symptomatic, or that you won't die.

But only antivaxxers seem to have a problem grasping the concept of that just because something isn't perfect, doesn't mean it doesn't help at all.

Or in other words - it's not that the rest of us don't know that it doesn't always prevent you catching the virus. It's that the rest of us know - and have the capacity to comprehend - the proper fucking context of that claim.

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Trumble posted...

It's hilarious how antivaxxers genuinely believe this is some big secret that's being kept from everyone. No, everyone is very well aware that it doesn't guarantee you will not catch the virus. Everyone is also, for that matter, very well aware that it doesn't guarantee you won't transmit it, or that you won't get symptomatic, or that you won't die.

But only antivaxxers seem to have a problem grasping the concept of that just because something isn't perfect, doesn't mean it doesn't help at all.

Or in other words - it's not that the rest of us don't know that it doesn't always prevent you catching the virus. It's that the rest of us know - and have the capacity to comprehend - the proper fucking context of that claim.

People will, with a straight face, say "It only reduces hospitalizations and deaths"

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-GalacticBass- posted...

Which begs the question of why we would fire tons of nurses who already have natural immunity?

Why are you assuming these nurses have natural immunity?

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