Poll of the Day > White Man Shoots a Black Man DEAD because he said his Girlfriend was HOT!!!

(+) Yeah! (+)

27 y/o Ian Cranston, a BULLET MAKER from Oregon is charged with second degree murder after he shot a 22 y/o black man dead for making a "respectful compliment" to his gf that she was hot and was asking her out on a date and has now bee likened to Jim Crow-era lynchings!!

22 y/o Barry Washington Jr was murdered in Bend, Oregon after he spoke to his g/f Allie Butler outside a bar called The Capitol

DA John Hummel said "It is believed that the initial interaction between Barry and Mr. Cranston began when Barry complimented Mr. Cranton's girlfriend. There's no evidence that what Mr. Washington did when he approached the woman was inappropriate. There's not an allegation he groped her, grabbed her, was crassw ith her. He complimented her in a respectful manner. She was fine back. She said 'no thank you, i'm flattered but i'm in a relationship' No allegation that anything Mr. Washington did was inappropriate

But Cranston was not happy after witnessing it and the 2 men exchanged words and there was some pushing and punches thrown before things had calmed down, Cranston then took out his gun on his waist and shot him

The initial compliment was not caught on camera but footage showed the deadly fight shared on social media

Cops were called to the scene and found him lying on the sidewalk suffering a gunshot woud and he was rushed to hopital and died the next day

Cranston is now charged with crimes including second degree murder, first degree manslaughter and first degree assault but has not been charged with a hate crime yet as they are investigating if it was bias-motivated as it draws parralels between the killing and historic racist murders of black men

He said "If we obtain sufficient evidence to prove tha this shooting was at least partially motivated by race, we will go back to the grand jury and ask them to add the charge. Our country has a disgraceful history of denigrating, prosecuting and lynching Black men for talking to white women. Over the last week, literally hundreds of people called and emailed me to remind me of this history".

But Cranston's attorney accuses Washington of being the aggressor and claimed he physically assaulte dhis client leaving him with head injuries and says after the evidence is out that the DA is deliberately inflaming the community with statements of race being motivated will put them to shame

Do you get jealous/angry when your bf/gf talks to another guy/girl?

https://i.imgur.com/GM2h6DC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/c0x0U2Z.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/BbBJbRV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/CyLCYZl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/yBIp0y0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/kKXACHq.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/KQS72qf.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/NurNXqO.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/e76GQX0.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rABBSiF.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/rLuIkD5.jpg
---

why such the sad mugshot this is what he asked for

---

Gentlemen, if a guy wants to approach your woman... let him, and observe. If shes even a little bit receptive. Smile. Thank God that you are about to dodge a bullet. And then get the fuck outta there.

---

Title: "because he said the GF was hot"
Actual situation:

mrduckbear posted...

27 y/o Ian Cranston, a BULLET MAKER from Oregon is charged with second degree murder after he shot a 22 y/o black man dead for making a "respectful compliment" to his gf that she was hot and was asking her out on a date and has now bee likened to Jim Crow-era lynchings!!

Getting violent still isn't justified, but the victim went beyond just complimenting her. Already misleading.

DA John Hummel said "It is believed that the initial interaction between Barry and Mr. Cranston began when Barry complimented Mr. Cranton's girlfriend. There's no evidence that what Mr. Washington did when he approached the woman was inappropriate. There's not an allegation he groped her, grabbed her, was crassw ith her. He complimented her in a respectful manner. She was fine back. She said 'no thank you, i'm flattered but i'm in a relationship' No allegation that anything Mr. Washington did was inappropriate

But Cranston was not happy after witnessing it and the 2 men exchanged words and there was some pushing and punches thrown before things had calmed down, Cranston then took out his gun on his waist and shot him

The initial compliment was not caught on camera but footage showed the deadly fight shared on social media

So... it was more than just asking her out? They got into a fight, too.
Who instigated the fight? Did the video capture that?
Title is even more misleading...

In any case, pulling a gun on someone unarmed is cowardly and unjustified unless your life really is in danger (sounds like it wasn't).

Cranston is now charged with crimes including second degree murder, first degree manslaughter and first degree assault but has not been charged with a hate crime yet as they are investigating if it was bias-motivated as it draws parralels between the killing and historic racist murders of black men

Sounds like manslaughter or a "crime of passion", not premeditated murder.
If it's race-based, there should be more behind it than just the fact that the killer's white and the victim is black. Story didn't mention anything...

But Cranston's attorney accuses Washington of being the aggressor and claimed he physically assaulte dhis client leaving him with head injuries and says after the evidence is out that the DA is deliberately inflaming the community with statements of race being motivated will put them to shame

Could be, on the surface the charges sound like overreach.
Definitely still sounds guilty of manslaughter, though.

HornedLion posted...

Gentlemen, if a guy wants to approach your woman... let him, and observe. If shes even a little bit receptive. Smile. Thank God that you are about to dodge a bullet. And then get the fuck outta there.

Yeah. Apparently she did reject him verbally, though no idea what her body language was like. Best to just end things if she can't be trusted, it's never worth going to jail over some other dude.

mrduckbear posted...

Do you ever get jealous when your bf/gf talks to another guy/girl?

Hypnotically nope and I certainly wouldn't kill someone over it. I'd assume the person I'm in a relationship with would be faithful and if they want someone other than me they wouldn't be with me. It's a thing called trust. Others finding what I like attractive wouldn't bother me.


---

I do get a bit jealous sometimes but I don't act on it. It's weird that that's like the 1 negative emotion I can control just fine

---

I do get jealous, then I just hold it in tell I get depressed and then either break up or become such a dick they break up with me.

---

@Kimbos_Egg

---

lets just wait for the facts okay.

---

mrduckbear posted...

But Cranston was not happy after witnessing it and the 2 men exchanged words and there was some pushing and punches thrown before things had calmed down, Cranston then took out his gun on his waist and shot him

So you are saying there was a stretch of time between the instigating incident and the fatal shot?

---

Funny how if a white man kills a black man, it absolutely has to be racially motivated, but if the reverse happens, it's not investigated at all. Hell, they could probably call the white guy a racial slur and it still wouldn't matter

Now hes going to jail and a bunch of guys are going to actually pick her up.

---

The black guy was in the wrong initially but I don't know how throwing some punches over a girl ends up with you dead. Are people's lives that trivial that you either end it haphazard with guns or throw away yours (jail) like nothing. Guess there's not much going on up top with any of these guys.

---

MeteoricBurst posted...

The black guy was in the wrong initially

Are we reading the same article?

---

OhhhJa posted...

Funny how if a white man kills a black man, it absolutely has to be racially motivated, but if the reverse happens, it's not investigated at all. Hell, they could probably call the white guy a racial slur and it still wouldn't matter

Yeah. All I'm reading here is some guy asked out a girl who wasn't single, a fight happened and the guy got killed. As far as I know the guy didn't even know the girl wasn't single but even if he did this isn't racial motivated and is a dumb reason to be killed.

---

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Are we reading the same article?

Yes? You don't go up to another man's girlfriend "complimenting" her right in front of her man. Dude had some balls. Then they got into a fight which was predictable. That's all dandy and happens everyday. But then the boyfriend had to be the typical gun toting idiot. I can only assume he got his ass kicked.

---

MeteoricBurst posted...

Yes? You don't go up to another man's girlfriend "complimenting" her right in front of her man.

One we don't know the guy was with his GF at first. Given the way the article is written I'd say he wasn't. He saw the interaction and got involved. Even if he was though the guy had no idea that was the other guys GF hence her response.

---

He was only in the wrong if he had continued after being turned down by the woman, unless you say he was in the wrong for antagonizing a man with a gun.

I see one more possibility, but I am not going to accuse you of that.

---

Nichtcrawler X posted...

He was only in the wrong if he had continued after being turned down by the woman, unless you say he was in the wrong for antagonizing a man with a gun.

I see one more possibility, but I am not going to accuse you of that.

They were both antagonising each other with verbals and literally fighting before the gun. That's when things change and it's the boyfriend that has to take sole responsibility from there.

---

Yeah he's not in the wrong for trying to pick up the lady unless he knew she was taken. But we really can't say who was initially in the wrong without knowing that or what was said

Sensitive male egos

---

You mean like blocking someone because a wrestler isn't a porn star?

---

Hopefully there's more surveillance camera footage or something to clear things up.
Who started the fight, and what happened in it, exactly?

Jen0125 posted...

Sensitive male egos

The only video I've seen online thus far has the GF getting in the victim's face and shouting at him, w/ him trying to push her away and telling her to "get out of my face", and then the gun shot.
She could've been the one instigating the entire confrontation.
Must be a sensitive female ego.

You don't think a man killing another man over his girlfriend is a sensitive male ego? Ooooookie

---

Jen0125 posted...

You don't think a man killing another man over his girlfriend is a sensitive male ego? Ooooookie

There was one or multiple physical altercations (the article mentions the two guys fighting, the video has the GF and the victim being physical w/o the BF even in the frame of the camera...)
It wasn't just some guy hitting on his GF.

You refuse to read past a headline to prop up your narrative.
ooooooookie

Go look up the video if you want. I'm not gonna post it b/c it contains the gun shot and posting it probably breaks the TOS.

MeteoricBurst posted...

The black guy was in the wrong initially

Lol what?

---

MeteoricBurst posted...

They were both antagonising each other with verbals and literally fighting before the gun. That's when things change and it's the boyfriend that has to take sole responsibility from there.

After the initial action you called out to be wrong. The problem is the altercation and that during it the 1 guy made the decision to shoot the other.

If he shot immediately during the flirting, I could see that being a crime passionnel. This is simply full on murder with a "cool-off" period in between.
Yes both would be wrong and also way out of proportion for the situations and it would thus be highly unfair to blame the victim.

---

EvilMegas posted...

Lol what?

Guess you didn't read past that. I mistakenly thought the bf was right there when he came up to the girl like that. He was in sight apparently but not there. So the black guy wasn't in the wrong initially. That doesn't excuse all the fighting later. And then the gun is next level nonsense I never defended.

---

streamofthesky posted...

Sounds like manslaughter or a "crime of passion", not premeditated murder.

Which is why he isn't being charged with premeditated murder.
---

streamofthesky posted...

There was one or multiple physical altercations (the article mentions the two guys fighting, the video has the GF and the victim being physical w/o the BF even in the frame of the camera...)
It wasn't just some guy hitting on his GF.

You refuse to read past a headline to prop up your narrative.
ooooooookie

Go look up the video if you want. I'm not gonna post it b/c it contains the gun shot and posting it probably breaks the TOS.

Looks like you have a fragile male ego too lol

---

Revelation34 posted...

Which is why he isn't being charged with premeditated murder.

Probably depends on the exact legal classifications for the locale he is being tried in.

From the text it is clear.

The BF killed the flirt during a struggle that occurred after the initial flirting. That is not immediate, thus he had the time to consider using his gun.

The more imortant part here is motive and psychology, as that will probably affect the nature of the crime and how much rehabilitation would be needed before it is safe to release the individual into society again. (Killing random flirts, potentially over skin colour, sounds like a situation with a high probability of reoccurring)

---

mrduckbear posted...

But Cranston was not happy after witnessing it and the 2 men exchanged words and there was some pushing and punches thrown before things had calmed down, Cranston then took out his gun on his waist and shot him

...so it wasn't "because he said his girlfriend was HOT!!!", it's because they got into a violent altercation involving alcohol? -_- You can probably put more blame on the idiot who brought his gun into a bar knowing he'd be drinking than any flirtation, because anything could have set that off.

mrduckbear posted...

Cranston is now charged with crimes including second degree murder, first degree manslaughter and first degree assault but has not been charged with a hate crime yet as they are investigating if it was bias-motivated as it draws parralels between the killing and historic racist murders of black men

jfc... if you ever needed another way to underscore how stupidly racist those laws are.

---

OhhhJa posted...

Yeah he's not in the wrong for trying to pick up the lady unless he knew she was taken. But we really can't say who was initially in the wrong without knowing that or what was said

Whoever threw the first punch was in the wrong. Even if he was being disrespectful and an asshole, that wouldn't excuse violence. And if the fight had been broken up, there's no reason to shoot anybody because you're no longer in harm (and, honestly, in a barroom brawl when your life isn't being threatened, there's already no reason to shoot).

Nichtcrawler X posted...

After the initial action you called out to be wrong. The problem is the altercation and that during it the 1 guy made the decision to shoot the other.

If he shot immediately during the flirting, I could see that being a crime passionnel. This is simply full on murder with a "cool-off" period in between.
Yes both would be wrong and also way out of proportion for the situations and it would thus be highly unfair to blame the victim.

Ducky's telling doesn't seem to specify how much time there was between things "calming down" and the shooting. The two might have just been broken up when the guy shot him.

---

Nichtcrawler X posted...

Probably depends on the exact legal classifications for the locale he is being tried in.

From the text it is clear.

The BF killed the flirt during a struggle that occurred after the initial flirting. That is not immediate, thus he had the time to consider using his gun.

The more imortant part here is motive and psychology, as that will probably affect the nature of the crime and how much rehabilitation would be needed before it is safe to release the individual into society again. (Killing random flirts, potentially over skin colour, sounds like a situation with a high probability of reoccurring)

First degree murder is premediated murder in America. He isn't being charged with it.
---

Revelation34 posted...

First degree murder is premediated murder in America. He isn't being charged with it.

Like I said, the situation is there, it just depends on the laws of the area (probably state level since US) , what each category exactly requires. This is probably not clearly premediated enough for the area to prosecute it as such.

But yeah, it seems spur of the moment enough that the most important part is the motive and how that plays into his rehabilitation.

---

Kinda funny to me that premeditated murder is considered to be way worse. I get that premeditated murder is generally something psychopaths do, but someone who doesn't have the self control to resist killing someone in the heat of the moment is equally dangerous to society

In a shocking turn of events Zeus thinks that the black person is to blame and has expressed this view

---

Jen0125 posted...

Looks like you have a fragile male ego too lol

I already said in my first post that you shouldn't bother fighting over a girl at all, but I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
Like usual, the second someone disagrees with you on something, you resort immediately for personal insults. Hmm, what's that say about your ego?
And "fragile ego" is an interesting slur from someone that got cosmetic surgery.

streamofthesky posted...

I already said in my first post that you shouldn't bother fighting over a girl at all, but I know reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.
Like usual, the second someone disagrees with you on something, you resort immediately for personal insults. Hmm, what's that say about your ego?
And "fragile ego" is an interesting slur from someone that got cosmetic surgery.

I was actually gonna say this earlier then decided it wasn't worth it lol. She definitely has a fragile female ego

OhhhJa posted...

I was actually gonna say this earlier then decided it wasn't worth it lol. She definitely has a fragile female ego

She's constantly toxic but mostly gets away with it from the mods, so she doesn't recognize it and wonders why so many people don't like her on here.
I agree w/ her on stuff like 3/4 of the time and still get insults from her often enough to notice the trend.

OhhhJa posted...

Kinda funny to me that premeditated murder is considered to be way worse. I get that premeditated murder is generally something psychopaths do, but someone who doesn't have the self control to resist killing someone in the heat of the moment is equally dangerous to society

Fight or flight makes people do completely unreasonable things to protect themselves in the moment.

When you sit there and plan to kill someone when you have the option not to is far more dangerous.

---

EvilMegas posted...

Fight or flight makes people do completely unreasonable things to protect themselves in the moment.

Well, if you're convicted of 2nd degree murder, you likely weren't protecting yourself since it would have to be shown in court that it wasn't self defense

It's still protecting yourself, but he started and escalated the confrontation. That's why he's being charged.

---

This insecure clownish looming dude murdered the guy cause he knew his girlfriend wanted the dudes giant rod not the insecure dudes tiny twig.

---

Conner4REAL posted...

This insecure clownish looming dude murdered the guy cause he knew his girlfriend wanted the dudes giant rod not the insecure dudes tiny twig.

Apparently this is not a racist post.
---

streamofthesky posted...

She's constantly toxic but mostly gets away with it from the mods, so she doesn't recognize it and wonders why so many people don't like her on here.
I agree w/ her on stuff like 3/4 of the time and still get insults from her often enough to notice the trend.

this behaviour surprised you? she literally has to spam her blog posts on a dying gaming website to feel validation.

---

streamofthesky posted...

She's constantly toxic but mostly gets away with it from the mods, so she doesn't recognize it and wonders why so many people don't like her on here.

Kimbos_Egg posted...

this behaviour surprised you? she literally has to spam her blog posts on a dying gaming website to feel validation.

Although this is true it's probably best putting her on ignore or even blocking her if you haven't already and feel this way. It makes a much better posting experience.


---

i only block people who block me. Feels like a defeat if i get annoyed so much i block people.

---

Kimbos_Egg posted...

i only block people who block me. Feels like a defeat if i get annoyed so much i block people.

I like this stance. Jen blocked me because a wrestler isn't a porn star but she's actually done me a favour.

---

SaltyAndSweet posted...

In a shocking turn of events Zeus thinks that the black person is to blame and has expressed this view

...what? In a shocking turn of events, Mead straight-up lies and trolls in a way that bears zero resemblance to reality.

Revelation34 posted...

Apparently this is not a racist post.

It certainly reads like a racist post, which is why Mead didn't call it out. He has the amazing ability to ignore actually racist posts when he's making false accusations.

In general, Conner gets a free pass on everything, though. Among other things, he's compared the mentally ill to animals and advocated their murder, which the mods no-actioned like everything else he's done (although the mods later deleted Ducky's topic where Conner went on his hate-filled rant against the mentally ill)

wwinterj25 posted...

Although this is true it's probably best putting her on ignore or even blocking her if you haven't already and feel this way. It makes a much better posting experience.

tbh, given that the description fits a few people, I didn't even realize you were talking about her but yeah, I've had her blocked for years now and been the happier for it.

---