Poll of the Day > Election day in Canada

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103 red
53 blue
21 bloc
15 orange

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Ogurisama posted...

103 red
53 blue
21 bloc
15 orange

Worth noting these are all super early results and they're counting way slower than usual.

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This is an awesome start for the Liberals, but the rural west hasn't hardly been counted yet. The Conservative numbers are going to explode soon. Hopefully the Liberals can stay ahead.

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faramir77 posted...

The Liberals have a Liberal pick up truck in Calgary lmao. They've got balls.

She gonna eat me

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Boo Liberals Boo

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Liberals officially won!

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Liberals declared winner



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As I mentioned earlier though, the Conservative seats just exploded. They went from 60 seats to 99 in a matter of minutes.

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I am seeing 107

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It's almost guaranteed a minority government now. I figured that would happen but I was hoping otherwise.

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I am happy the PPC never got a seat

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Ogurisama posted...

I am happy the PPC never got a seat

They didn't have a chance. The only people that thought they did are the lunatics that make incomprehensible ramblings on Facebook and YouTube.

They are an extremely loud but extremely small minority.

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faramir77 posted...

As I mentioned earlier though, the Conservative seats just exploded. They went from 60 seats to 99 in a matter of minutes.

bound to happen as you hit mid-canada

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stoked to see some more orange coming in
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/federal/2021/results/

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fingers crossed that the PPC completely flatline again

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ReturnOfFa posted...

fingers crossed that the PPC completely flatline again

Bernier already lost his seat lmao

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Flappers posted...

Is it election time for them?

Man, I don't even know. And they watched our election in the US like it was a fucking reality show because, let's be honest, that's what it was.

Your guys' elections honestly seem exhausting. They go on for-fucking-ever (a "long" Canadian election is anything over two months from start to finish) and it infects everything. Politics up here is comparatively low key, which I look at as a positive.

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Kanatteru posted...

Bernier already lost his seat lmao

Nah, he lost it in 2019. Today, he failed to even come close to taking it back lol.

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Can't wait for the 2023 election

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Blighboy posted...

Can't wait for the 2023 election

I think this one will last longer. I'd put the election in 2024 or 2025.

It can all change if the Liberals fuck up something though.

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2022?

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faramir77 posted...

It's almost guaranteed a minority government now. I figured that would happen but I was hoping otherwise.

No other parties would want to form a coalition with the Liberals?

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

No other parties would want to form a coalition with the Liberals?

Coalitions basically never happen. They idea only gets floated to prevent another party from forming a minority (for example, if the cons, bloc and ndp formed a coalition to block Trudeau). But otherwise parties would much rather work together unofficially and maintain some form of independence, rather than being seen as a pawn of the liberals.

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A single party government has never happened here, so that skew my view of coalition governments.

A minority government here relies on "gedoogsteun", which has happened once and failed miserably. (That bogeyman is known internationally, Geert Wilders)

Considering how long the cabinet formations have taken so far since elections, one party just being allowed to say "we are the minority government now" would probably have sped things up quite a bit.

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Kanatteru posted...

Bernier already lost his seat lmao

More like Maxime Dernier, mirite?

faramir77 posted...

They didn't have a chance. The only people that thought they did are the lunatics that make incomprehensible ramblings on Facebook and YouTube.

They are an extremely loud but extremely small minority.

I mean, they did manage 5% of the popular vote, which is more than double what the Greens pulled off and pretty close to the Bloc (BQ's a weird comparison to make, for obvious reasons, but I'll make it anyway), and much higher than the 1.6% they pulled off in 2019. They're almost certainly never going to run the country, but they're not that small a minority.

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I'd really want to wait until the next election and see if they keep growing before laughing at the PPC. This could be a one off due to covid, or it could be a legit right wing split.

The parliamentary system encourages building support in one specific region first, which the PPC haven't done, but I think that makes them look worse off than they are. If they reach a certain threshold you could potentially see a bunch of seats flip purple all at once (though that doesnt look like it will happen anytime soon).

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Without looking at the detailed breakdowns, I expect they've seen a surge in popularity in Ontario and Alberta largely because the people that voted for their Conservative premiers (who are both more like the PPC than the federal conservatives anyway, so their voter base is PPC-friendly) are mad over how those premiers have handled Covid. Voting PPC gives them a way to spite the Conservatives that "betrayed" them without having to compromise their political leanings by going full commie (in their minds) and voting Liberal. I don't know how long that split will last, but I'd expect those angry people to at least remember this for the next election as well (presuming Covid has resolved by then).

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adjl posted...

I mean, they did manage 5% of the popular vote, which is more than double what the Greens pulled off and pretty close to the Bloc (BQ's a weird comparison to make, for obvious reasons, but I'll make it anyway), and much higher than the 1.6% they pulled off in 2019. They're almost certainly never going to run the country, but they're not that small a minority

They don't have concentrated support. They're a party based on conspiracy theories and nationalism. It's a common thread in societies that 5 to 10% of people tend to be nuts, that was their target audience.

It isn't like the Green party, which still won a few seats due to support being concentrated in certain ridings.

The PPC will never win a seat unless they somehow convince a concentrated riding to vote for them. Which they won't. The closest they got was Bernier's riding, and the guy who beat him had more than twice the votes Bernier did.

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faramir77 posted...

They don't have concentrated support. They're a party based on conspiracy theories and nationalism. It's a common thread in societies that 5 to 10% of people tend to be nuts, that was their target audience.

It isn't like the Green party, which still won a few seats due to support being concentrated in certain ridings.

The PPC will never win a seat unless they somehow convince a concentrated riding to vote for them. Which they won't. The closest they got was Bernier's riding, and the guy who beat him had more than twice the votes Bernier did.

They're unlikely to ever win seats, but they are still appealing to a significant number of people, and I don't think that should be completely written off. Whatever implications that appeal has for the government, it does reflect the beliefs and attitudes of a non-trvial number of people, and I think that's worth paying attention to.

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Blighboy posted...

I'd really want to wait until the next election and see if they keep growing before laughing at the PPC. This could be a one off due to covid, or it could be a legit right wing split.

The parliamentary system encourages building support in one specific region first, which the PPC haven't done, but I think that makes them look worse off than they are. If they reach a certain threshold you could potentially see a bunch of seats flip purple all at once (though that doesnt look like it will happen anytime soon).

Yeah, I am concerned about it.

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Nichtcrawler X posted...

No other parties would want to form a coalition with the Liberals?

Canada has never had a coalition government, even though our laws allow for it. We came close twice recently. The first time the Liberals and NDP (our centre-left and left-wing parties) were going to form a coalition government with the support of the Bloc (a regional separatist party) to oust Harper in... I think 2007(?) as a result of a Conservative scandal involving how much Canadian military officials knew about torture going on in Afghanistan, but Stephen Harper, the Conservative PM prorogued (basically shut down) parliament before the vote could happen and the deal fell apart shortly thereafter. The second time was in 2015, when it was looking like the Conservatives might win the election but not a majority and Harper had become so toxic that no one from the other parties wanted to work with him; the NDP suggested that in the event of a Conservative minority they and the Liberals could form a coalition government to oust them - the Liberals were non-committal and Trudeau wound up winning a majority, so it was a moot question, but there was strong public support for it amongst both Liberal and NDP voters, so chances were good it could have happened if the electoral results were different.

Minority governments here tend to operate on loose agreements with the other parties rather than strict coalitions. Sometimes - especially with the Liberals - they will rely on different parties to support different parts of their agenda.

Blighboy posted...

I'd really want to wait until the next election and see if they keep growing before laughing at the PPC. This could be a one off due to covid, or it could be a legit right wing split.

They were around last election too and did just as miserably.

I think the PPC are basically going to become the right-wing version of the Greens, if they don't fold altogether; a rump party that does little beyond sapping Conservative support.

I don't think they'll ever be a full "right-wing split", because there's not enough right-wingers in Canada to support more than one party. The only reason the Cons have any shot at governing at all is because their hold on everything right-of-centre is basically uncontested (and even then they struggle to break 35% popular support). Every time the right splits, they lock themselves out of government until they invariably reconcile a few years later.

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I know very little about Canadian politics but does the next election have to happen in 2 years or within 4 now?

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OrangeDawn posted...

I know very little about Canadian politics but does the next election have to happen in 2 years or within 4 now?

Canadian elections are not on a set schedule, so they can happen whenever (with a maximum interval of four years). Minority governments can, at least in theory, last for the full four-year term, but almost never do, because at some point before that someone will find it convenient to call an election. Either the governing party likes how their poll numbers look and calls an early election to try and secure a majority so they don't have to work with the opposition anymore (which, incidentally, is why yesterday's election happened) or the opposition parties like how *their* poll numbers look and call a vote of no confidence (which, if passed, basically forces the government to dissolve) in the hopes of turfing the governing party and replacing them.

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^
that's almost as weird as milk in a bag
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It makes way more sense than "the president just ate a baby, were gonna do so well in that election three years from now "

It's a pretty normal system too? I don't think Americans realize how fucking unusual their system is on an international scale.

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