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Lebronwon 09/15/21 12:28:34 PM #1:	https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58570827 The US Soccer Federation has offered identical contracts to its men's and women's national teams in an attempt to resolve its gender pay dispute. In May 2020, a lawsuit from the women's team for equal pay was dismissed by a judge, with an appeal pending. The USSF says a single equal pay structure is "the best path forward". The federation called on players and their unions for support in helping to "equalise" World Cup prize money, which is at the root of the teams' pay gap. USSF president Cindy Parlow Cone said in an open letter on 10 September that "the massive discrepancy" in World Cup prize money is "by far the most challenging issue" in the negotiations with the teams. "Until Fifa equalises the prize money that it awards to the men's and women's World Cup participants, it is incumbent upon us to collectively find a solution," she said. The USSF has previously said women's World Cup bonuses cannot match those of the men because of huge differences in payments made to federations by Fifa for men's and women's tournaments. "US Soccer will not agree to any collective bargaining agreement that does not take the important step of equalising Fifa World Cup prize money," a USSF statement said. The United States won the Women's World Cup for the fourth time in France in 2019 and have claimed Olympic gold five times. The men's team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. Prize money at the 2018 men's World Cup totalled $400m (312m), with winners France receiving $38m (29.7m). The prize fund for the 2019 Women's World Cup was $30m (23.4m), with winners the United States receiving $4m (3.1m). The lawsuit from the women's team was filed by 28 women's national team players seeking $66m (52.8m) in damages under the Equal Pay Act. "This proposal will provide a revenue sharing structure that would allow all parties to begin anew and share collectively in the opportunity that combined investment in the future of US Soccer will deliver over the course of a new collective bargaining agreement," the USSF statement added. The men's and women's unions are separate and have no obligation to bargain jointly or agree similar terms under US law. If either party does not agree to a new deal, US Soccer says it will invite each union to sit in on negotiations for full transparency. --- Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 <cite>Lebronwon posted [p:958080069] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/58570827 The US Soccer Federation has offered identical contracts to its men's and women's national teams in an attempt to resolve its gender pay dispute. In May 2020, a lawsuit from the women's team for equal pay was dismissed by a judge, with an appeal pending. The USSF says a single equal pay structure is "the best path forward". The federation called on players and their unions for support in helping to "equalise" World Cup prize money, which is at the root of the teams' pay gap. USSF president Cindy Parlow Cone said in an open letter on 10 September that "the massive discrepancy" in World Cup prize money is "by far the most challenging issue" in the negotiations with the teams. "Until Fifa equalises the prize money that it awards to the men's and women's World Cup participants, it is incumbent upon us to collectively find a solution," she said. The USSF has previously said women's World Cup bonuses cannot match those of the men because of huge differences in payments made to federations by Fifa for men's and women's tournaments. "US Soccer will not agree to any collective bargaining agreement that does not take the important step of equalising Fifa World Cup prize money," a USSF statement said. The United States won the Women's World Cup for the fourth time in France in 2019 and have claimed Olympic gold five times. The men's team failed to qualify for the 2018 World Cup in Russia. Prize money at the 2018 men's World Cup totalled $400m (312m), with winners France receiving $38m (29.7m). The prize fund for the 2019 Women's World Cup was $30m (23.4m), with winners the United States receiving $4m (3.1m). The lawsuit from the women's team was filed by 28 women's national team players seeking $66m (52.8m) in damages under the Equal Pay Act. "This proposal will provide a revenue sharing structure that would allow all parties to begin anew and share collectively in the opportunity that combined investment in the future of US Soccer will deliver over the course of a new collective bargaining agreement," the USSF statement added. The men's and women's unions are separate and have no obligation to bargain jointly or agree similar terms under US law. If either party does not agree to a new deal, US Soccer says it will invite each union to sit in on negotiations for full transparency. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MelbuFrahma4 09/15/21 12:31:41 PM #2:	About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. --- "We'll never see Day-Lewis and Kubrick, or Kurosawa and Eastwood, but we have seen Bale and Nolan, a cinematic dream pairing come to life!" <cite>MelbuFrahma4 posted [p:958080170] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/15/21 12:32:16 PM #3:	God bless --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:958080191] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>God bless </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cocytus 09/15/21 12:32:39 PM #4:	They might as well. The mens' team sucks. <cite>Cocytus posted [p:958080197] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>They might as well. The mens' team sucks. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Solid Sonic 09/15/21 12:32:49 PM #5:	Amazing what a simple solution that was, mm? Granted there are other issues at work (like weaker promotion given to womens' sports leagues and slower ticket sales to events) that may work as evidence for why women athletes are paid less but that isn't enough of a reason not to. IMO, while it's far from perfect, WWE has actually made some decent strides in trying to promote their womens' matches with some semblance of equality to the mens', which in turn gets people as a whole more invested and willing to follow it as closely. --- It is more important to use your anonymity to upset other people than it is to do anything productive. <cite>Solid Sonic posted [p:958080206] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Amazing what a simple solution that was, mm? Granted there are other issues at work (like weaker promotion given to womens' sports leagues and slower ticket sales to events) that may work as evidence for why women athletes are paid less but that isn't enough of a reason not to. IMO, while it's far from perfect, WWE has actually made some decent strides in trying to promote their womens' matches with some semblance of equality to the mens', which in turn gets people as a whole more invested and willing to follow it as closely. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sabrestorm 09/15/21 12:32:50 PM #6:	Its about time --- The Truth is the Truth <cite>sabrestorm posted [p:958080208] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Its about time </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BignutzisBack 09/15/21 12:33:46 PM #7:	MelbuFrahma4 posted... About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. Good luck lol --- https://imgur.com/plA0Vg9 https://media.giphy.com/media/dgK22exekwOLm/giphy.gif <cite>BignutzisBack posted [p:958080249] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>MelbuFrahma4 posted... </cite> <quote>About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next.</quote> Good luck lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Weezy_Tha_Don 09/15/21 12:36:16 PM #8:	MelbuFrahma4 posted... About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. I think the number of viewers is the big difference there --- https://imgur.com/hwZyGuA - courtesy of the homie United_World I speak my mind, cause biting my tongue hurts. <cite>Weezy_Tha_Don posted [p:958080313] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>MelbuFrahma4 posted... </cite> <quote>About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next.</quote> I think the number of viewers is the big difference there </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaddenDude-- 09/15/21 12:43:12 PM #9:	Why are we paying US soccer athletes anyways? I thought they played for pride and representing their country? --- I am Dan_Haren <cite>MaddenDude-- posted [p:958080541] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Why are we paying US soccer athletes anyways? I thought they played for pride and representing their country? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
voldothegr8 09/15/21 12:45:25 PM #10:	MelbuFrahma4 posted... About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. This is only happening in soccer because the women get better ratings. --- Oda break tracker 2021- 6 (4) \| THE Ohio State: 1-1 \| Las Vegas Raiders: 1-0 <cite>voldothegr8 posted [p:958080608] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>MelbuFrahma4 posted...</cite> <quote>About time. I hope NBA and WNBA players getting the same pay is next. </quote> This is only happening in soccer because the women get better ratings.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/15/21 12:45:55 PM #11:	I'm going to have to see the contract before making any hot takes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:958080629] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>I'm going to have to see the contract before making any hot takes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Health 09/15/21 12:47:41 PM #12:	Surely pay should be based on earned revenue. If mens football earns more then men should be paid more. If womens football earns more then women should be paid more. <cite>Health posted [p:958080702] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Surely pay should be based on earned revenue. If mens football earns more then men should be paid more. If womens football earns more then women should be paid more. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/15/21 12:48:58 PM #13:	If anything, the women's prize money is going to be confiscated to subsidize the guys. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:958080735] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>If anything, the women's prize money is going to be confiscated to subsidize the guys. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 09/15/21 12:50:40 PM #14:	Health posted... Surely pay should be based on earned revenue. Why, though? It's not elsewhere --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:958080794] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Health posted... </cite> <quote>Surely pay should be based on earned revenue.</quote>Why, though? It's not elsewhere </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Health 09/15/21 4:03:49 PM #15:	Antifar posted... Why, though? It's not elsewhere Well, it should. Please attend to the matter immediately, I believe in you. <cite>Health posted [p:958086505] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Why, though? It's not elsewhere</quote> Well, it should. Please attend to the matter immediately, I believe in you. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
hitokoriX 09/15/21 4:19:22 PM #16:	Lol at a lot of people on here who don't understand what's really going on. The women misrepresented a lot of stuff (to the public) while their case was being heard and this new contract may not necessarily work out for them --- Would you follow a blind man? I would if I was in the dark <cite>hitokoriX posted [p:958087033] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Lol at a lot of people on here who don't understand what's really going on. The women misrepresented a lot of stuff (to the public) while their case was being heard and this new contract may not necessarily work out for them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 09/15/21 4:20:53 PM #17:	Cool <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:958087086] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Cool </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
s0nicfan 09/15/21 4:21:10 PM #18:	Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win? --- "History Is Much Like An Endless Waltz. The Three Beats Of War, Peace And Revolution Continue On Forever." - Gundam Wing: Endless Waltz <cite>s0nicfan posted [p:958087095] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Background_Guy 09/15/21 4:21:48 PM #19:	s0nicfan posted... Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win? Imagine being mad <cite>Background_Guy posted [p:958087112] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted... </cite> <quote>Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win?</quote>Imagine being mad </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eaglei3 09/15/21 4:26:14 PM #20:	hitokoriX posted... Lol at a lot of people on here who don't understand what's really going on. The women misrepresented a lot of stuff (to the public) while their case was being heard and this new contract may not necessarily work out for them I get the feeling that the soccer federation is publicizing the same offer being made to both teams, so that if the women's team disagrees with terms this time, the federation will come out and state "We did our part and made the same equal offer to both sides. We cannot help if one party rejects and goes to alternate negotiations." <cite>eaglei3 posted [p:958087265] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>hitokoriX posted... </cite> <quote>Lol at a lot of people on here who don't understand what's really going on. The women misrepresented a lot of stuff (to the public) while their case was being heard and this new contract may not necessarily work out for them</quote> I get the feeling that the soccer federation is publicizing the same offer being made to both teams, so that if the women's team disagrees with terms this time, the federation will come out and state "We did our part and made the same equal offer to both sides. We cannot help if one party rejects and goes to alternate negotiations." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/21 4:31:54 PM #21:	Yeah they've always offered identical contracts. The women's team chose not to have an incentive based contract but then claimed it was discrimination afterwards. They're also claiming US soccer is unfairly distributing world cup prize money even though they're not the ones who determine that, FIFA does. I think they were expecting US soccer to cave on all this because of the bad PR they would get, but they called their bluff instead and took it to court where they're winning every case. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:958087473] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Yeah they've always offered identical contracts. The women's team chose not to have an incentive based contract but then claimed it was discrimination afterwards. They're also claiming US soccer is unfairly distributing world cup prize money even though they're not the ones who determine that, FIFA does. I think they were expecting US soccer to cave on all this because of the bad PR they would get, but they called their bluff instead and took it to court where they're winning every case. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 09/15/21 4:32:22 PM #22:	And the women's team union is already complaining that it isn't fair... --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/0EJvC4l <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:958087494] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>And the women's team union is already complaining that it isn't fair... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
garan 09/15/21 4:37:24 PM #23:	s0nicfan posted... Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win? I'm well aware of all that which is why I don't give a shit about the whiny women's team. They've lied to the public to drum up sympathy. <cite>garan posted [p:958087659] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>s0nicfan posted...</cite> <quote>Are people not aware that the women's team was originally offered an identical contract and they willingly turned it down and exchange for higher base pay and better benefits? Or the fact that their lawsuit was thrown out because after claiming that they were paid less than men it turns out they were actually paid more and they were upset because if they were under the men's contract they would have had an even bigger bonus for their win?</quote> I'm well aware of all that which is why I don't give a shit about the whiny women's team. They've lied to the public to drum up sympathy.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Eat More Beef 09/15/21 4:39:07 PM #24:	Broseph_Stalin posted... Yeah they've always offered identical contracts. The women's team chose not to have an incentive based contract but then claimed it was discrimination afterwards. They're also claiming US soccer is unfairly distributing world cup prize money even though they're not the ones who determine that, FIFA does. I think they were expecting US soccer to cave on all this because of the bad PR they would get, but they called their bluff instead and took it to court where they're winning every case. Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract? --- I wrote a horror short story collection. You can check it out, and other free short stories at http://www.aarondeck.com <cite>Eat More Beef posted [p:958087721] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Broseph_Stalin posted... </cite> <quote>Yeah they've always offered identical contracts. The women's team chose not to have an incentive based contract but then claimed it was discrimination afterwards. They're also claiming US soccer is unfairly distributing world cup prize money even though they're not the ones who determine that, FIFA does. I think they were expecting US soccer to cave on all this because of the bad PR they would get, but they called their bluff instead and took it to court where they're winning every case.</quote> Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Broseph_Stalin 09/15/21 4:47:17 PM #25:	Eat More Beef posted... Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract? Men make a lot more at the club level, if you're a woman most of the money you'll be making will come from the national team. So they rejected higher bonuses to get a higher base compensation and more contracted players in the collective bargaining agreement. <cite>Broseph_Stalin posted [p:958088014] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Eat More Beef posted... </cite> <quote>Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract?</quote> Men make a lot more at the club level, if you're a woman most of the money you'll be making will come from the national team. So they rejected higher bonuses to get a higher base compensation and more contracted players in the collective bargaining agreement. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamestunner 09/15/21 4:47:18 PM #26:	As someone who played soccer, wrestling, basketball in school, of those 3, soccer took less skill to compete. <cite>gamestunner posted [p:958088015] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>As someone who played soccer, wrestling, basketball in school, of those 3, soccer took less skill to compete. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
garan 09/15/21 4:54:08 PM #27:	Eat More Beef posted... Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract? A lot of those incentives are going to be coming from FIFA, who actually runs the World Cup, and global interest in women's soccer is very low compared to the men's side. Hence why the prize money is much smaller. <cite>garan posted [p:958088248] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Eat More Beef posted...</cite> <quote>Not trying to be a dick, but can you explain this in more detail because the US womens team wins more than the men, so why wouldn't they accept an incentive based contract?</quote> A lot of those incentives are going to be coming from FIFA, who actually runs the World Cup, and global interest in women's soccer is very low compared to the men's side. Hence why the prize money is much smaller.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 09/15/21 4:56:07 PM #28:	Anyone know what's going on with pressuring FIFA to equalize prize payouts? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:958088304] in US Soccer ... [t:79662819]...</cite> <quote>Anyone know what's going on with pressuring FIFA to equalize prize payouts? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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