Current Events > Are republicans salvageable?

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Lathissamus posted...

Your reading comprehension is laughably bad if you actually think I said either of those things.

lmao the guy who thinks Florida is next to Mexico talks about reading.


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Probably, if the Dems were salvageable for representing the pro-slavery side during the civil war and being main proponents of segregation laws for over 50 years after that, I wouldnt be too surprised if Republicans are salvageable for being anti-vax.

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David1988 posted...

Probably, if the Dems were salvageable for representing the pro-slavery side during the civil war and being main proponents of segregation laws for over 50 years after that, I wouldnt be too surprised if Republicans are salvageable for being anti-vax.

You might want to do more US history. Preferably somewhere in the 1880s-1910s area of US history.

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They've embraced white nationalism and authoritarianism there's no salvaging them

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Sayoria posted...

You might want to do more US history. Preferably somewhere in the 1880s-1910s area of US history.

He's a Trumper. He's been trained to ignore the political switch.

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Sayoria posted...

You might want to do more US history. Preferably somewhere in the 1880s-1910s area of US history.

Fair, but can you confirm the veracity that Dems were more pro-slavery compared to the Pibs during the Civil War, so pre 1868? I might be wrong on that too

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Sayoria posted...

You might want to do more US history. Preferably somewhere in the 1880s-1910s area of US history.

That's an ironic response if I've ever read one.

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Only if Ronnie Reagan was still with us, also the same question applies to dems too

The Republican Party has been moving right for some time. That trend doesnt seem to be letting up as far as I can tell, so no I dont think theyre salvageable.

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Umbreon posted...

He's a Trumper. He's been trained to ignore the political switch.

what? I didnt deny the switch, Im saying the fact that the switch with Democrats happened shows theres hope the Republican Party can change their values in the future as well. Im also not a Trumper, I dont think anyone who supports universal healthcare, abortion rights, trans rights, dismantling American imperialism, etc... can be a Trumper, but feel free to believe about me what you want if it makes you feel better.

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Hrm. Perhaps I'm mistaken then.

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Repubs will always be about freedom.


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shockthemonkey posted...

Hes a shitposter who literally had to change his username to still get people to bite his bait

Wait, really? Who was he before?

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Yes
They just need a new guy to show up and head the party. They'll follow him no matter what he says. Now the odds aren't good that it'll be a guy promoting helping the homeless to own the libs, but it's entirely possible.

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Jiek_Fafn posted...

Yes
They just need a new guy to show up and head the party. They'll follow him no matter what he says. Now the odds aren't good that it'll be a guy promoting helping the homeless to own the libs, but it's entirely possible.

no. Look at what happened to kizinger


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TheRadiant posted...

They've embraced white nationalism and authoritarianism there's no salvaging them

^This. The current Republican Party is the result of 40+ years of the proverbial chickens coming home to roost with right wing media, Fox News, Reagan worship, etc. They've doubled down on the white nationalism, and now that the demographics are not in their favor they are fine with authoritarianism to maintain power. The anniversary of the Voting Rights Act was yesterday, if Republicans had their way we wouldn't have it at all, they have been picking away at it for years.

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limp-bizkit-89 posted...

no. Look at what happened to kizinger

He's not in charge yet. He let the cat out of the bag too early.

We need someone to pull a Trump like win out of left field but then instead of doubling down on being a shitbag he's like "The left hates universal healthcare and has been secretly keeping it from you in the basement of Pizza Huts. Let's show them what's what and free universal healthcare all these motherfuckers! Also, all pizza establishments should offer stuffed crust or they'll be shut down. Fuck you, President AOC!"

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shockthemonkey posted...

Kaz

Oh, lol. So the tag was accurate then.

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Sayoria posted...

You might want to do more US history. Preferably somewhere in the 1880s-1910s area of US history.

You mean when Woodrow Wilson was showing Birth of a Nation at the White House?

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Lathissamus posted...

That's an ironic response if I've ever read one.

You're representing your party well, with all the deflecting and lying.

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Lathissamus posted...

You also don't know what fascism is apparently. Or authoritarianism. Basically buzzwords at this point.

I watched as the entire party replaced civil discourse with propaganda, conspiracy theories, Orwellian dystopic Memory Hole-ism, etc.

Trump telling people to not believe whatever objectively true news came up? That was literally right out of 1984.



His cronies funding Newsmax and OAN to have pseudo-news networks for his "private" propaganda wing was... just creepy as shit.

And you know how I know he screwed up COVID so badly? I literally admitted these patients. There were no tests available when he said there were "too many." Hydroxychloroquine failed our inpatient trials. Now, all these anti-vax Republicans are coming in sick and asking if they "caught the vaccine strain"

It's unbelievable.


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The brand is salvageable but the current party is not.

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DarkRoast posted...

I watched as the entire party replaced civil discourse with propaganda, conspiracy theories, Orwellian dystopic Memory Hole-ism, etc.

Trump telling people to not believe whatever objectively true news came up? That was literally right out of 1984.



His cronies funding Newsmax and OAN to have pseudo-news networks for his "private" propaganda wing was... just creepy as shit.

And you know how I know he screwed up COVID so badly? I literally admitted these patients. There were no tests available when he said there were "too many." Hydroxychloroquine failed our inpatient trials. Now, all these anti-vax Republicans are coming in sick and asking if they "caught the vaccine strain"

It's unbelievable.

the chuds want the vaccines to have all sorts of approvals and the blessing of breitbart and stormfront but they had no problem wanting hydroxycloroquine and that one poisonous plant the my pillow guy was selling, fuck their bias and ignorance


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Well I'm going to be the very first person to go against the grain here and say that most republicans are salvageable.

The vast majority of voting republicans are slight right, basically centrists whom voted right instead of left because of a single issue or two that they disagreed with. I do believe that these republicans can be brought over to the blue.

However, in order to do so the democratic party needs to stop demonizing them as a collective whole (like whats being done in this topic) and instead listen to them, find out why they voted right instead of left. Then address theese issues IF, and onlyIF, it is a legitimate concern. If this is done I think that 25-50% of the current republican party can be converted. Of course, the ones without a legitimate concern ("build the wall", "save the children from the gays") should be justifiably demonized.

Here is a question I pose out if curiosity. All of you thus far have stated that republicans are not salvageable, and some of you have stated they are all terrible people that you wouldn't even want to salvage...

...if almost half the adult population voted for Trump, and they aren't salvageable, then what do you want to do with these people? What is your proposition for the 74,222,958 people (48.6% of popular vote) that voted for Trump?

What does America do with this portion of the population if they are not salvageable?

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STEROLIZER posted...

Well I'm going to be the very first person to go against the grain here and say that most republicans are salvageable.

we have heard of your discord

isnt it populated by people so extreme they got banned from here despite the conservative bias here (which explains why not even guesswho or yemmy get banned)?

STEROLIZER posted...

..if almost half the adult population voted for Trump, and they aren't salvageable, then what do you want to do with these people?

what did trump and his ilk wanted to do to minorities again? BAD point brocycle


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Of course individual Republican voters are salvageable, but it has to be done at the micro level, the personal level. No Republican voter will ever respond well to a large group of people telling them what's right or what to do.

Endemic to their ideology is the focus around the small group, the small circle of responsibility. They'll listen to friends, family members, their own direct leaders, but not politicians, generally not talking heads on TV, and not large protesting groups. That kind of message makes them dig in their heels. How could all those other people who they've never met know how they live, and what they want?

There's the impasse, and why it's so slow to get turnaround.

And what to do with the 74 million plus who voted for Trump? Nothing especially, just make sure they don't get to lead others. Because they don't act in the service of others. They act in the service of themselves. We've seen it time and again.

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STEROLIZER posted...

However, in order to do so the democratic party needs to stop demonizing them as a collective whole (like whats being done in this topic)

when Mexico sends its people...
someone is doing the raping
Muslims all celebrated 9/11 in NJ

your dear leader said horrible shit demonizing all sorts of minorities. Shut up your concern trolling

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limp-bizkit-89 posted...

we have heard of your discord

isnt it populated by people so extreme they got banned from here despite the conservative bias here (which explains why not even guesswho or yemmy get banned)?

what did trump and his ilk wanted to do to minorities again? BAD point brocycle

It's a crypto discord. It had nothing to do with politics. The discussion of politics isn't even allowed. But yes, it's very diverse for that reason. If you ban political discussion then the left & right get along quite well actually. Just coming together to discuss a common interest, in this case crypto.

I think the individual game boards would be a much more productive place if the same concept was applied. A ban on all political discussion, whether or not that's where the natural flow of a on topic conversation happens to go. Just close it and redirect the users to the politics board or something.

But I'm a liberal brother. I literally live in San Francisco.

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limp-bizkit-89 posted...

when Mexico sends its people...
someone is doing the raping
Muslims all celebrated 9/11 in NJ

your dear leader said horrible shit demonizing all sorts of minorities. Shut up your concern trolling

What are you talking about? I literally said that this type of republican is not salvageable and should be demonized.

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Any self respecting republican has switched to libertarian by now.
Otherwise they're all braindead.

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shockthemonkey posted...

lmao bro what

To further unpack that, I mean talking heads (politicians, media, etc.) that tell them what the best way to live is. What's good for all.

Fox and Republican politicians will always stroke their constituents ego, telling them how "on their side" they are, and how "we all know" the right way for the country to go. Republicans will listen to that, certainly.

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Cyric is now fully enlightened

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STEROLIZER posted...

It's a crypto discord. It had nothing to do with politics. The discussion of politics isn't even allowed. But yes, it's very diverse for that reason. If you ban political discussion then the left & right get along quite well actually. Just coming together to discuss a common interest, in this case crypto.

I think the individual game boards would be a much more productive place if the same concept was applied. A ban on all political discussion, whether or not that's where the natural flow of a on topic conversation happens to go. Just close it and redirect the users to the politics board or something.

But I'm a liberal brother. I literally live in San Francisco.

These users forget this is a video game forum, yet they're so obsessed with politics, good lord go play some Nintendo...

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Tucker literally told his fans to call Child Protective Services on people who put masks on their kids. That was just a month before this latest outbreak, which has targeted kids more than ever.

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lol no why would republicans change? They are doing quite well.

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Yeah y'know what, this is going poorly on my end.

For themselves in their own small communities, they want freedom and no interference.

For the other, they want dominance over them.

So forget what I said about politicans, media, etc. They'll listen to them all day if it's along those lines of what they want to hear. They'll be ruled if it means they get to be on top.

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CyricZ posted...

Of course individual Republican voters are salvageable, but it has to be done at the micro level, the personal level. No Republican voter will ever respond well to a large group of people telling them what's right or what to do.

Endemic to their ideology is the focus around the small group, the small circle of responsibility. They'll listen to friends, family members, their own direct leaders, but not politicians, generally not talking heads on TV, and not large protesting groups. That kind of message makes them dig in their heels. How could all those other people who they've never met know how they live, and what they want?

There's the impasse, and why it's so slow to get turnaround.

And what to do with the 74 million plus who voted for Trump? Nothing especially, just make sure they don't get to lead others. Because they don't act in the service of others. They act in the service of themselves. We've seen it time and again.

I would send out a survey to all registered voters and ask why they voted the way they did. Get the responses back, and address the legitimate concerns. I think you'd be able to convert alot of them over.

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@CyricZ here is my initial write up to your reply. It kind of took on a life of it's own, hence the second post.

Intro
I'm a liberal. I live in San Francisco w/ an undocumented fiance. My family & childhood friends are from Arizona, and are all mostly conservatives. This is a cross between culture, and finances.

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My Conservative Family
My stepdad is a straight racist, but my mother converted to conservative, from being a liberal, strictly for financial reasons. She was forced into retirement and her social security, and IRA simply wasn't enough to live off of. She had to get a part time minimum wage job. The basic understanding among older Americans is that the republican party values the older generation who paid their dues, while the democratic party values the younger generation who will become our future.

Does the democratic party actual devalue the older generation...no I don't think so. But that was indeed a marketing difference among the parties. As in, which voting groups they appealed too.

My mom was a hippie, who got disowned by her family for marching in the various civil rights movements of the 60s & 70s. She raised me liberal...she's now a conservative. Is she unsalvageable, definitely not.

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My Conservative Friends
Most of my childhood friends are conservatives just because that's how the culture was growing up. A lot of hunting/fishing hillbilly types. But they don't hate gay people or immigrants...hell, a great deal of my Mexican friends growing up in AZ are conservative. The reason why is because they are Catholic, and people of faith. They view the democratic party as not valuing or respecting "freedom of religion" where as republicans do.

This is the same reason that many of my non-mexican friends also are conservatives. They were raised religious. Even if their views on the world (like gay marriage) are more modern than their prior generation views, they are still people of faith. Not only that, but they may want to vote democrat, but the liberal party really demonized the right, and their parents are strictly on the conservative side of the spectrum. So, converting over may cause internal conflict.

This is why I previously stated that we need to look to salvage the other voters, and not demonize them. Because as long as we perpetuate this toxic war...were one side is squarely good, and the other side is squarely evil without any account of nuance...then people who may want to vote left simply wont, as it would place them in conflict with their family/social circles.

Finally, the biggest reason my childhood friends vote right is because they are poor/middle class. As much as environmental & social causes are important, it's hard to care about them when one is having trouble feeding/clothing themselves or their children. I always argue that the left actually cares way more for the low-income members of society...but once again it's all about marketing. The right really markets themselves to this portion of society, the blue collar workers, while the left doesn't seem to make it a priority.

Then of course, because they are poor/middle-class most have ties to the military. Either there is a family member in the military, or a friend. The right really markets itself as valuing this group. The left does indeed value this group, perhaps even more than the right, but just like the middle class, they don't really make it a strong portion of their marketing campaign.

Military members feel isolated, and forgotten. Especially when, because they voted right, they get demonized by the left. It's like "I'm fighting for your rights, and you hate me?" - that is the view alot of my military friends have, and that really sucks.

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My Conservative Co-Workers
Beinging in the Crypto industry, the majority lean right for financial/tax reasons. I do think that the vast majority of the Crypto World is very supportive of social issues, and that would typically cause them to mean left, but they simply just don't get the tax breaks thst they are looking for.

A lot if Crypto folks were initially middle-class. They invested early, and gained financial freedom. They feel jaded and abandoned that now because they raised themselves up, the government is trying to push them back down. It's like "I'm all for taxing the forever wealthy, but I just became rich, now you are trying to make me poor again"

A lot of them are making an exodus to Puerto Rico where there is no capital gains tax.

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Conclusion
Anyhow, I think all of the above examples (my mom, my childhood friends, and my crypto industry acquaintances) are indeed salvageable. It just starts with understanding why they voted right instead of left, and then addressing those issues. Demonizing them for doing so, and basically saying "we don't want you" is just going to further the divide. Which is just totally unproductive.

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I am a Republican and i definitely think you can salvage a party thats still mainly controlled by the whims of a guy who egged his supporters on to try and overthrow the results of a democratic election and also politicized a virus that has killed over 600k people and counting

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no they are lost causes

STEROLIZER posted...

ut once again it's all about marketing. The right really markets themselves to this portion of society, the blue collar workers, while the left doesn't seem to make it a priority.

Really dont get how people dont realize the party of no policy isn't going to do shit for them no matter the marketing.

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Eh... probably not.
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