Board 8 > The PlayStation All-Stars hype is real

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So the PlayStation Twitter account tweeted this

https://twitter.com/PlayStation/status/1420036330503946251?s=19

Which links to this shirt



And I know, your thinking, so what, a shirt with some PlayStation protagonists confirms nothing, but the site also features this shirt



Which doesn't just feature major PlayStation icons like Kratos and Ratchet and Clank, but characters like Nariko and Fat Princess, neither of which has been seen since, you guessed it, PlayStation All-Stars. But in the top right, that's Polygon Man, also known as the secret boss of PSAS that hadn't been seen since the PS1 era and hasn't been seen since.

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hope a sequel is just a complete new thing built from scratch because after the first one I have more faith in that nickelodeon smash clone

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i didnt play much of the first one but it seemed fine except for that dumm 'have to kill with supers' thing

would be hype for a sequel

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playing that game literally filled me with pain

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If they ever made a sequel, they would need to make the gameplay much closer to Smash Bros (like every critic admitted at the time) as well as actually get every major character associated with Sony that they didn't last time (at least Cloud, Snake, Lara Croft, Crash, Spyro, and probably Dante). Also, after Smash having 80+ characters, they also really need an expansive roster close to at least 35 fighters than the 20 odd in PSABR.

EDIT: I just remembered they did get Dante, but it was the dmc remake black-haired Dante. Which leads to another thing, don't select specific designs/characters over the more well known ones just to tie into a recent/upcoming release.

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Wait, did they make the terrifying polygon man from early PS1 days into the boss of PSAS? That is awesome.

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Where is Knack?

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Where tf my main Parappa at

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xenosaga posted...

Wait, did they make the terrifying polygon man from early PS1 days into the boss of PSAS? That is awesome.

Yeah, he was the boss that would appear at the end of Arcade mode, but that boss fighter is mainly "Defeat 1-3 random characters while he transforms into a stage hazard from another stage, then dodge his only actual attack and hit him several times, do this three times". It's nowhere near as good as Master Hand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEtuisKn8QM

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I always wanted them to take another stab at it. It's not like Sony can't bring together the talent to make a good game.

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A few months ago I very quickly (like in 5 minutes) drafted up a list of potential newcomers and even gave them odds of actually happening.

Aloy (Horizon: Zero Dawn) [lock]
Ash (Concrete Genie) [moderate]
Astro (Astro) [likely]
Connor (Detroit: Become Human) [unlikely]
Crash Bandicoot (Crash Bandicoot) [crapshoot]
Elena Fisher (Uncharted) [moderate]
Ellie (The Last of Us) [lock]
Ico (Ico) [moderate]
Jin Sakai (Ghost of Tsushima) [likely]
Joel (The Last of Us) [lock]
Lara Croft (Tomb Raider) [crapshoot]
Nero (Devil May Cry) [lock]
Sam (Until Dawn) [pipedream]
Sam Bridges (Death Stranding) [lock]
Solid Snake (Metal Gear) [crapshoot]
Spyro (Spyro the Dragon) [crapshoot]
Sully (Uncharted) [moderate]
Virgil (Devil May Cry) [unlikely]
Wander (Shadow of the Colossus) [unlikely]
William Adams (Nioh) [likely]

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They'll make Playstation All Karts this time
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Only way to win is to pass the finish line while turbo boosting!

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Spider-Man could likely be a lock if Marvel agrees to it. And if they did for the Avengers game this should probably be no issue.

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paulg235 posted...

(at least Cloud, Snake, Lara Croft, Crash, Spyro, and probably Dante)

The thing is, Sony doesn't own any of those characters. They have plenty of great first parties but I always felt faulting a crossover for not having enough 3rd parties out of the gate is a bizarre criticism (I mean, they managed 5 on the first outing, which is impressive on its own for being made by a small studio. Nintendo didn't manage that until the 4th Smash game)

paulg235 posted...

Which leads to another thing, don't select specific designs/characters over the more well known ones just to tie into a recent/upcoming release.

Blame Capcom for that one; it was their call to only allow New Dante

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Crash and Spyro please!

Did people really hate the "get kills with a super" I actually thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of the game.

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IfGodCouldDie posted...

Did people really hate the "get kills with a super" I actually thoroughly enjoyed that aspect of the game.

I did too! I think a lot of people were just upset it didn't play like they expected

I remember being really disappointed watching Game Grumps play it back then. He spent the first like 15 minutes complaining that it was just a cheap ripoff of Smash Bros, then proceeded to lose horribly because he didn't do the tutorial and instead just tried playing it like Smash. Then complained about that too.

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It was what really set it apart from smash in my opinion. I always had a great time playing it.

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Johnbobb posted...

The thing is, Sony doesn't own any of those characters. They have plenty of great first parties but I always felt faulting a crossover for not having enough 3rd parties out of the gate is a bizarre criticism

But when you think of Playstation all stars those are the kind of people you think of.

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The need supers to kill thing made the game incredibly unbalanced, even on a casual scale, since some characters supers were just straight up better, and they were all that mattered in the end.

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Don't do that. Don't give me hope.

In all seriousness, while I would welcome a sequel if it is indeed happening, I think it may be too late by now. Smash has raised the bar so high that even thinking of competing against it is suicidal, and the first game has a (not entirely fair, imo) reputation as a terrible game, the kind of laughing stock youtubers use as a go-to for easy cheap laughs. I doubt many people would be willing to give it a second chance. It's telling that Nickelodeon Smash had more hype on reveal than PSASBR ever got.

I wonder if the first game's roster would have been considered better if there were no third-party characters at all. Would there have been less disappointment at the absence of Crash, Spyro, Lara Croft etc if they were never on the table to begin with?

GavsEvans123 posted...

I wonder if the first game's roster would have been considered better if there were no third-party characters at all. Would there have been less disappointment at the absence of Crash, Spyro, Lara Croft etc if they were never on the table to begin with?

Feel like there just wouldn't be enough characters for a game like this if there was

Only 20 base characters and cutting four (Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, and Raiden) makes the roster extremely thin. Especially when Cole and Evil Cole are two different characters

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I mean I don't mind this getting a sequel but it needs to not suck. In fact they can just straight up smash clone it and it'll be cool or even just make it so that supers aren't the only way to get kills or something.

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The company that made the original is dead, so it would have to be from a new team.
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I kind of feel sorry about the decision to do the "kill by using super moves" system because it was actually a decent attempt to try and create a unique "party fighter" gameplay system that didn't directly ape other games. It's exactly what Nintendo did when they made Smash Bros. in the first place (I remember reviews of the first Smash Bros. being very brutal and didn't mince words on how they thought the ring out system was too stupid compared to other fighting games). I appreciate the fact that they actually TRIED to do something different to set themselves apart from SSB.

...on the other hand, it doesn't help that it just wasn't very balanced or as fun. And if the goal was to try to not be seen as a Smash ripoff it kind of fell apart when so many other aspects of the game resembled it so closely, right down to the stuff that would have been simple to do differently, like the menu system.

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Maniac64 posted...

But when you think of Playstation all stars those are the kind of people you think of.

I mean, not really? Maybe for nostalgia purposes but they haven't been the focus or face of Playstation in decades. I mean look at any Playstation-specific advertising, merchandise, etc and it's gonna be stuff like God of War and Ratchet and Clank and Horizon that are the focus.

Arti posted...

Feel like there just wouldn't be enough characters for a game like this if there was

Only 20 base characters and cutting four (Big Daddy, Dante, Heihachi, and Raiden) makes the roster extremely thin. Especially when Cole and Evil Cole are two different characters

They would've had enough characters, it just probably would've meant either putting in more retro characters (PS1 platformer mascots that haven't been used in years but that they still have the rights too) or, more realistically, just more than 1 character per game. Not counting Cole/Evil Cole, no game had multiple characters except God of War, and that wasn't until the 2nd round of DLC. Add in stuff like Captain Qwark and Dr. Nefarious (R&C), Ares, Chop Chop Master Onion, Errol (Jak), Murray (Sly Cooper), Dollface and Mr. Grimm (Twisted Metal), etc. Especially if you factor in the last almost decade of Sony exclusives, the list of first party titles has gotten way longer.

Mac Arrowny posted...

The company that made the original is dead, so it would have to be from a new team.

This was one of the biggest issues the original had imo. They basically made a team specifically for that game rather than giving it to one of their big, well-established teams like Santa Monica or Insomniac. Then they barely advertised it or gave it any sort of media attention

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Johnbobb posted...

This was one of the biggest issues the original had imo. They basically made a team specifically for that game rather than giving it to one of their big, well-established teams like Santa Monica or Insomniac.

Confused what you're saying here - are you implying it wasn't a good game because they had a new team make it, and Santa Monica or Insomniac would've made a good game? I thought you were a fan of the original.
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Whiffing a super is such a feels bad that it's just not viable as a fun gameplay system.

In smash you build up your opponents percent to set them up for being killed by a strong attack. Sounds similar, but your opponent doesn't go back to 0% for missing on your smash attack. I know it's not identical, but at least nothing you do ever goes to waste in most fighting games.

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Mac Arrowny posted...

Confused what you're saying here - are you implying it wasn't a good game because they had a new team make it, and Santa Monica or Insomniac would've made a good game? I thought you were a fan of the original.

I love the original but I also recognize areas it could've been improved. A bigger/more experienced team would've allowed for a few things

1. Most importantly imo it likely would've given more respect for the game. It's harder to write off a game as a cheap clone when it's coming from an established company. It also would've shown Sony had more faith in the game.
2. A more established studio likely would've had more luck making deals with other third party companies, and would've had an easier time promoting the game. Prior to the game's release it got very little first party press, with most of the news about it coming from YouTubers and the like (many of whom hated on it from the get-go).
3. A bigger team honestly would've made for a better game. I loved the game at its core but it was flawed. There were unquestionably balance issues, the menu UI was pretty lackluster even by 2012 standards, and the arcade mode fell a little flat (the appearance of Polygon Man as the final boss was huge, and the little rivalries were neat, but it was largely just a sequence of basic fights). A bigger team also would've likely resulted in just more. More characters, stages, music tracks, etc. Even after the 4 DLC characters and 3-4 DLC stages, they had several more planned and being worked on, but the studio ended up getting shut down before they could put them out. There were clearly people working on the game that cared a lot about it (the deep cuts you can see in things like the alternate costumes and side characters prove that), but Sony ultimately just didn't give enough support to the game or the studio making it, and despite their best efforts it couldn't make as much of an impact as it should've

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btw, DLC planned but never released due to the low sales:

• Dart (The Legend of Dragoon)
• Abe (Oddworld)
• maybe Shadow the Hedgehog (this one was just a rumor/leak that never got confirmed one way or the other)
• Journey stage

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Dart would never work unless Sakurai directly led the development of him. Only Sakurai could properly get Dart fully combo-heavy as Legend of Dragoon has him. A Burning Rush here, a Blazing Dynamo there and a VOLCANO!!!!! to finish it off.

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I watched a retrospective video before that was in several parts. The final part had a former member of the dev team involved, and they said in addition to the above DLC (they didn't mention Shadow, but they did mention everything else), Ryu Hayabusa, Tomba, Chun Li and Sub-Zero were also planned. I also remember that Lara Croft didn't appear because her reboot was coming out around that time, and Square Enix wanted her in her own game first, so it's possible she could have appeared at some point if support had lasted longer.

We were this close to an official Street Fighter VS Mortal Kombat!

Yeah sorry but the only kill with finisher move was trash.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvqL4KrPFAM

I forgot how dumb the rivalries were and how much I love them

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