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Mackorov 07/26/21 8:09:52 AM #1: |
serious question.
People like to mock Batman for being in the JL but at least he has crazy genius level intellect and is the Tony Stark on the DC universe. Meanwhile what does Black Widow offer? Everytime I watch that first Avengers movie scene where they do a circling camera shot of all the superheroes, I cant help but laugh when I see Black Widow. Here you have a supersoldier, a tech supreme, a giant green hulk, an expert marksmen aaaaaand this woman holding a glock pistol. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ModLogic 07/26/21 8:12:14 AM #2: |
titties
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lilORANG 07/26/21 8:14:36 AM #3: |
I like how you forgot to mention Thor
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brestugo 07/26/21 8:18:50 AM #4: |
You never read the comics. She was a Russian spy who defected to SHIELD. SHIELD and Nick Fury often directed missions for the Avengers so she became a liason between the two.
It was the 1970's and the character gave them a James Bondish-spy angle, a Russian angle, a Cold War angle and a SHIELD link. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Mistere Man 07/26/21 8:19:05 AM #5: |
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au_gold 07/26/21 8:19:44 AM #6: |
Shes got dat ass.
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Solution_45 07/26/21 8:20:07 AM #7: |
token female
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 07/26/21 8:20:38 AM #8: |
Wow no mention of the god of thunder Thor ?, not ok.
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Jagr_68 07/26/21 8:21:38 AM #9: |
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spikethedevil 07/26/21 8:22:46 AM #10: |
Solution_45 posted...
token female Captain Marvel. Ms Marvel. Scarlet Witch. Nice try on that bait though. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CyricZ 07/26/21 8:23:17 AM #11: |
Kinda early in the morning for this.
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NeonOctopus 07/26/21 8:24:24 AM #12: |
Eye candy to raise the morale for the real members of the Avengers
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RiKuToTheMiGhtY 07/26/21 8:25:56 AM #13: |
She has a certain set of skills with those legs and brings value to the team.
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Mackorov 07/26/21 8:26:29 AM #14: |
spikethedevil posted...
Captain Marvel. before that though... there wasn't any female Avenger on the team ... Copied to Clipboard!
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NeonOctopus 07/26/21 8:26:50 AM #15: |
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Mackorov 07/26/21 8:29:39 AM #16: |
brestugo posted...
You never read the comics. She was a Russian spy who defected to SHIELD. SHIELD and Nick Fury often directed missions for the Avengers so she became a liason between the two. It still doesn't make sense, especially considering she herself turned against SHIELD during Civil War lmao. Also if you wanna talk about comics, the original Nick Fury was an elite soldier himself. He might as well serve the very liaison and join the Avengers ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scamatoru 07/26/21 8:30:20 AM #17: |
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brestugo 07/26/21 8:31:22 AM #18: |
Mackorov posted...
It still doesn't make sense, especially considering she herself turned against SHIELD during Civil War lmao.The Civil Wars was how many decades later? And Nick Fury was too old in the 1970's. Take the L and this thread is bait. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 07/26/21 8:31:29 AM #19: |
Why would the leader of a huge organisation go onto the front lines? Also half the Avengers turned on Shield during the civil war so whats your point?
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Mackorov 07/26/21 9:36:04 AM #20: |
spikethedevil posted...
Why would the leader of a huge organisation go onto the front lines? Also half the Avengers turned on Shield during the civil war so whats your point? that black widow is useless ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Shadowplay 07/26/21 9:42:19 AM #21: |
brestugo posted...
You never read the comicsThis is the overwhelming norm among comic book movie goers. --- I make a topic in Final Fantasy 12 to ask if Tifa! They said no Tifa. Hardness gone!-gandob ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xethuminra 07/26/21 9:43:42 AM #22: |
Espionage, Stealth, to control the Hulk, and administer Furys will
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Alpha218 07/26/21 9:56:57 AM #23: |
Mackorov posted...
expert marksmenAt least she cant run out of kicks --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://discord.gg/Wgtz2y9 - Come join us for Among Us || https://bit.ly/39z7PHA - YouTube ... Copied to Clipboard!
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cjsdowg 07/26/21 10:09:46 AM #24: |
To be fair the OP. BW should not be on the front lines. She should be working behind the line. Like she did in Iron Man 2 . Sneaking around and stuff, she should not be in the middle of the fight with aliens. Hawkeye... might should be with her too.
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Glob 07/26/21 10:13:20 AM #25: |
cjsdowg posted...
To be fair the OP. BW should not be on the front lines. She should be working behind the line. Like she did in Iron Man 2 . Sneaking around and stuff, she should not be in the middle of the fight with aliens. Hawkeye... might should be with her too. I'd agree with this. Having somebody like her on the team is worthwhile because she has a skillet that the others don't. However, she shouldn't be rushing into fights alongside the avengers as a matter of course. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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archedsoul 07/26/21 10:17:06 AM #26: |
Legolas was just as useless.
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Xethuminra 07/26/21 10:18:47 AM #27: |
Hawkeye: Im out of arrows.
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ZevLoveDOOM 07/26/21 10:19:36 AM #28: |
idc, she still hot and badass af!
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brestugo 07/26/21 10:20:30 AM #29: |
Thinking back - for those seriously interested - that was a time when spy novels and movies were a big deal.
SHIELD was a big deal in comics. Over the years, they had 5 series and many spin offs. Black Widow was the link to the spy world. I don't read comics anymore, but at the time, Black Widow was the link to the spy world. SHIELD and Nick Fury were successful. They wanted the Avengers to be more successful. Black Widow was the link. See my post 4. Peak Cold War. Peak Vietnam. Marvel was run by pro-civil rights and anti-Vietnam types. They needed a character that was able to tap into the spy world stuff without losing their (Marvel's) soul. At the time Captain America's political baggage from 1940's comics was played down. He was a "Dudley Do Right" guy, often portrayed as politically nave. Iron Man was portrayed as an Elon Musk type - outside of his own comic book - potentially brilliant, but ultimately suspect and thus unreliable. What other Avenger to deal with SHEILD the top international spy agency on international, global and 'multiverse' problems? Hulk? Thor? Wonderman did some of that but even some hardcore comics fans don't remember him. Black Widow was the chief spy liaison and diplomat for the Avengers. When Black Panther took over for Captain America as head of the Avengers, he still worked with Black Widow when dealing with SHEILD because she was one of them.. Black Panther as a head of state was still generally respected by Nick Fury though, and did a lot himself. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 07/26/21 10:21:44 AM #30: |
Shadowplay posted...
This is the overwhelming norm among comic book movie goers.Yeah. Nothing but shit takes. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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ThanksUglyGod 07/26/21 10:22:59 AM #31: |
Because she can fight against aliens and robots? They don't exactly have job interviews for being an Avenger
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Nemu 07/26/21 10:23:59 AM #32: |
Yeah, the 2nd stringers really always felt like pointless filler. At least, Tony could have given them some tech to use to make them relevant.
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Choco 07/26/21 10:29:46 AM #33: |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jTnRgTliKslol this was funnier than i expected --- ... Copied to Clipboard!
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brestugo 07/26/21 10:50:46 AM #34: |
spikethedevil posted...
Why would the leader of a huge organisation go onto the front lines? Also half the Avengers turned on Shield during the civil war so whats your point? Mackorov posted... that black widow is useless Could have just created a thread saying "all I know about the MCU, I learned watching movies, and comedy central". MCU is far, far from the biggest thing in the world, but at least know something about which you're talking about. "Hot takes" are no substitute for knowledge. That's how Trump won. --- Not everyone is suitable to kill a lion - Maasai proverb. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SwiggitySwoogit 07/26/21 10:55:37 AM #35: |
archedsoul posted...
Legolas was just as useless. Legolas was OP af in the movies. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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super_clout 07/26/21 11:04:40 AM #36: |
Mackorov posted...
before that though... there wasn't any female Avenger on the teamWasp --- FC 1891 1184 7059. IGN. Clout ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FortuneCookie 07/26/21 11:05:39 AM #37: |
Xethuminra posted...
Espionage, Stealth, to control the Hulk, and administer Furys will ... Yeah, legit answer. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 07/26/21 11:07:32 AM #38: |
super_clout posted...
Wasp Scarlet Witch in the comics was one of the OGs as well. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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lolife67 07/26/21 11:08:54 AM #39: |
spikethedevil posted...
Scarlet Witch in the comics was one of the OGs as well.No she wasn't. She and Pietro didn't join until later, after the original Avengers had left the team. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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spikethedevil 07/26/21 11:09:51 AM #40: |
lolife67 posted...
No she wasn't. She and Pietro didn't join until later, after the original Avengers had left the team. Right you are, but she was still fairly early on the grand scheme of things. --- A garbage pod!? It's a smegging garbage pod! ... Copied to Clipboard!
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I4NRulez 07/26/21 11:10:09 AM #41: |
From the MCU she's there for a lot of reasons but the most important part was to be the eyes and ears for Fury.
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Ilishe 07/26/21 11:10:51 AM #42: |
spikethedevil posted...
Scarlet Witch in the comics was one of the OGs as well. Dunno about comics but SW seemed able to solo Thanos in the movies. --- ~Phoenix Nine~ ~Victory needs no explanation; defeat allows none.~ ... Copied to Clipboard!
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scamatoru 07/26/21 11:11:55 AM #43: |
shes there for the piece of ass lets get real here
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Goldice 07/26/21 11:13:04 AM #44: |
I mean, shes relevant in the "spy / political" aspect of avengers work. The problem is there's less of Capt America: The Winter Soldier esque plots (where they're tackling threats to the world from other humans) and more "fighting aliens/demi gods".
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FortuneCookie 07/26/21 11:29:50 AM #45: |
It's okay. Batman can punch out aliens and robots. So can Black Widow.
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Xethuminra 07/26/21 11:34:53 AM #46: |
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It's okay. Batman can punch out aliens and robots. So can Black Widow.Plot Twist: ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Lokison 07/26/21 11:35:12 AM #47: |
For the movies: so fury could be there, without being there kinda thing. Shes his left hand, where as Hill would be his right hand. In the first movie it was that she was just as good at combat as Cap, and she had her "Widows Bite" (her gauntlets taze enemies) which she is shown using in the fight.
Comics: all the stuff said previously, but she also had a form of the super solider serum. I believe its implied in the movies that the Red Room did give her experimental treatments that may have done something similar, but I still havent watched Black Widow all the way through to confirm that. --- Word from the wise: Don't run in the shower. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Xethuminra 07/26/21 11:35:37 AM #48: |
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tiornys 07/26/21 11:40:04 AM #49: |
Lokison posted...
Comics: all the stuff said previously, but she also had a form of the super solider serum. I believe its implied in the movies that the Red Room did give her experimental treatments that may have done something similar, but I still havent watched Black Widow all the way through to confirm that.Can confirm, the movies imply experimental treatments. It's a blink and you can miss it thing though. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Prismsblade 07/26/21 11:46:33 AM #50: |
I don't get it either. Her Abilitys( or lack there of) aside her skill set honestly isnt very well suited for front line combat at all.
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