Board 8 > Cleveland baseball is changing it's name to "Guardians"

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StealThisSheen
07/23/21 11:23:04 PM
#52:


As somebody who lived near Cleveland, local natives absolutely found it offensive, especially Chief Wahoo. And while they limited the use of Wahoo lately, the association was still there.

EDIT: Not so anecdotally, the Lake Erie Native American Council praised this name change and spoke of the damage the name caused previously.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/23/21 11:27:44 PM
#53:


Out of curiosity, what "damage" did the name cause?

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StealThisSheen
07/23/21 11:29:35 PM
#54:


Google their statements yourself so you can attempt to belittle the feelings of a group of people of which you do not belong some more.

You already called indigenous people of Ohio "mentally deficient," so you might as well swing for the fences.

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Leafeon13N
07/23/21 11:30:02 PM
#55:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
The more that unemployed, low IQ Twitter users bitch and moan about meaningless platitudes, the harder it is to address actual instances of inequality or racism.
Addressing small instances of racism does not change the ability to deal with larger instances of racism.
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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/23/21 11:35:34 PM
#56:


Leafeon13N posted...
Addressing small instances of racism does not change the ability to deal with larger instances of racism.
Wasting time and public attention on things that are questionably and mostly not at all racist absolutely changes the ability to deal with larger instances of racism. This is literally the inverse of the Trump strategy of flooding media with small scandals to divert attention from the ones that are actually harmful and dangerous. If someone is actually "woke" and not just pretending to be for Internet Social Justice Points, they would automatically be against this.

Want to solve inequality and racism? Address the root causes, specifically poverty and education. It's a lot harder to convince people that there are real issues when morons are shouting from the Twitter rooftops about "insensitivity" in the name of a fucking baseball team that was named 120+ years ago.

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StealThisSheen
07/23/21 11:38:57 PM
#57:


You do realize the biggest push against Cleveland's name was actually from local indigenous groups, right. Public outcry overall had mostly died down.

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ChainLTTP
07/23/21 11:43:29 PM
#58:


StealThisSheen posted...
You do realize the biggest push against Cleveland's name was actually from local indigenous groups, right. Public outcry overall had mostly died down.
Cleveland Gaslighters

No native group gives one shit about "redskins" let alone "indians"
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StealThisSheen
07/23/21 11:50:04 PM
#59:


What you two should probably do to really prove your point is find the contact information for said groups, which is easily found via five seconds of Googling, tell them they don't actually give a shit, and then also tell them what you really think of them while also leaving your name and address.

You know, to really show you know what you're talking about.

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Waluigi1
07/24/21 1:15:58 AM
#61:


I already had those two posters tagged but fuck.

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BlAcK TuRtLe
07/24/21 2:04:36 AM
#62:


StealThisSheen posted...
What you two should probably do to really prove your point is find the contact information for said groups, which is easily found via five seconds of Googling, tell them they don't actually give a shit, and then also tell them what you really think of them while also leaving your name and address.

You know, to really show you know what you're talking about.
The problem with "groups" is that they are comprised of people collecting a paycheque that need to spend all of their working hours looking for justification to keep getting paid. The entire industry is centered around inventing things to get upper middle class white millenials worked up

Talk to real people for a change, instead of just blindly believing the compromised opinion of Twitter "activists". Talk to some native or black people and see if they care more about useless platitudes, or if they'd rather society focus on the problems of poverty and education regardless of race/ethnicity.

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Waluigi1
07/24/21 3:02:58 AM
#63:


Why does it have to be this or that?

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StealThisSheen
07/24/21 3:28:07 AM
#64:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
The problem with "groups" is that they are comprised of people collecting a paycheque that need to spend all of their working hours looking for justification to keep getting paid. The entire industry is centered around inventing things to get upper middle class white millenials worked up

Talk to real people for a change, instead of just blindly believing the compromised opinion of Twitter "activists". Talk to some native or black people and see if they care more about useless platitudes, or if they'd rather society focus on the problems of poverty and education regardless of race/ethnicity.

I literally grew up near Cleveland, dude. I lived there for most of my life. I've literally already talked to these people.

And I'm going to believe them a hell of a lot more than I'm going to believe you, for obvious reasons.

Can you come up with an actual argument for why people can't focus on both, instead of starting with "No indigenous people actually care!" and ending with "Okay but those indigenous people don't count!"

EDIT: I know you're just going to "rabble rabble THE TWITTER rabble rabble," but the Cleveland American Indian Movement has been protesting outside of the stadium for fifty-one years. I'm pretty sure they weren't centered around working up people that weren't even born yet.

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MarkS222222222222222
07/24/21 3:29:41 AM
#65:


Shoulda went with Cleveland Factories for accuracy

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Leafeon13N
07/24/21 4:24:05 AM
#66:


BlAcK TuRtLe posted...
Wasting time and public attention on things that are questionably and mostly not at all racist absolutely changes the ability to deal with larger instances of racism.
No, it doesnt. The Cleveland baseball team was not about to use their resources in any other way to solve poverty or whatever. And they certainly dont want their fanbase thinking about racism if their team name is the Indians.
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Leafeon13N
07/24/21 4:25:47 AM
#67:


Other side of this, the owners here clearly thought it was in their financial interest to change the team name.

This is literally just capitalism.
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StealThisSheen
07/24/21 4:29:30 AM
#68:


BT secretly wanted the team to become the Cleveland ACAB. The truth comes out.

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TheRock1525
07/24/21 4:31:08 AM
#69:




"Not at all racist."

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NFUN
07/24/21 11:13:20 AM
#70:


why are you responding to BT like he's capable of any emotion except hate?

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Leonhart4
07/24/21 11:16:50 AM
#71:


Leafeon13N posted...
Other side of this, the owners here clearly thought it was in their financial interest to change the team name.

This is literally just capitalism.

Ding ding ding

The answer to all your questions is money

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Waluigi1
07/24/21 12:56:12 PM
#73:


UltimaterializerX posted...
woke liberal garbage whose entire business model is race grifting and pushing segregation back on black people.
What does this mean? Genuine question.

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kevwaffles
07/24/21 3:27:42 PM
#74:


It means nothing. It's basically Ulti Mad Libs.
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banananor
07/24/21 5:38:28 PM
#76:


tbh minor league teams know where it's at when it comes to names

They have the

Isotopes
Yard Goats
Chihuahuas
Jumbo Shrimp
Wahoos
Rumble Ponies

etc

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_League_Baseball#Major_League_affiliations

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StealThisSheen
07/24/21 5:39:11 PM
#77:


I like how reformed Ulti always lasts barely a day every time, like clockwork

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kevwaffles
07/24/21 6:40:13 PM
#78:


He reformed again? Must have missed that.
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Leonhart4
07/24/21 7:09:05 PM
#80:


Our local minor league team when I was growing up was (and still is) called the Lookouts.

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Maniac64
07/24/21 7:38:55 PM
#81:


Roughriders and Kernals were where I grew up.

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MrGreenonion
07/24/21 7:48:09 PM
#82:


There are multiple baseball teams named after what color socks they wear. New York's basketball team is named after pants. Montreal's hockey team's name means "people from Canada", and while they still had one so did Vancouver's.

Sports team names are stupid, is what I'm saying.
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LeonhartFour
07/24/21 9:24:33 PM
#83:


UltimaterializerX posted...
I mean I did reform, doesnt mean I have to deal with people who are obsessively pro censorship.

changing a team's name isn't censorship

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Paratroopa1
07/24/21 9:43:18 PM
#84:


There used to be a baseball team named for a race of people! Weird name
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MZero
07/24/21 10:42:05 PM
#86:


MrGreenonion posted...
Montreal's hockey team's name means "people from Canada", and while they still had one so did Vancouver's.

I'm confused, do the Vancouver Canucks not exist anymore?

also Minor League baseball is doing it right. I'm also quite fond of the B.League (Japan's professional basketball league) names. Here are some of my favorites:

Crane Thunders
Orange Vikings
Diamond Dolphins
Bee Trains
Ballooners
Samuraiz (yes spelled with a z)
Tryhoop Okayama
Earth Friends Tokyo Z

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Maniac64
07/24/21 10:48:16 PM
#87:


I am now a fan of the Diamond Dolphins. That is amazing.

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LeonhartFour
07/24/21 10:50:15 PM
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NFUN
07/24/21 10:50:32 PM
#89:


bee trains 4 life

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StealThisSheen
07/25/21 12:03:38 AM
#90:


UltimaterializerX posted...
Huh?

I mean I did reform, doesnt mean I have to deal with people who are obsessively pro censorship.

Isn't blocking people also a form of censorship in that you aren't giving them a chance to speak for themselves in response to you? It's really no different than turning comments off on Twitter/Youtube.

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Leafeon13N
07/25/21 12:38:52 AM
#91:


StealThisSheen posted...


Isn't blocking people also a form of censorship in that you aren't giving them a chance to speak for themselves in response to you? It's really no different than turning comments off on Twitter/Youtube.
He blocked me for providing sources that debunked his nonsense.
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pezzicle
07/25/21 3:01:06 PM
#93:


as a clevelander and a life long indians fan

i love the new name

the logos they have presented so far are awful, but i love the name

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pezzicle
07/25/21 3:07:48 PM
#94:


MrGreenonion posted...
There are multiple baseball teams named after what color socks they wear. New York's basketball team is named after pants. Montreal's hockey team's name means "people from Canada", and while they still had one so did Vancouver's.

Sports team names are stupid, is what I'm saying.
vancouver still has a team......

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pezzicle
07/25/21 3:09:08 PM
#95:


StealThisSheen posted...
Isn't blocking people also a form of censorship in that you aren't giving them a chance to speak for themselves in response to you? It's really no different than turning comments off on Twitter/Youtube.
he blocked me after i was on this board for like a day cause i was arguing with him about last of us 2

i'm convinced its a record

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Waluigi1
07/25/21 5:22:31 PM
#96:


Wtf he blocked me again. For asking a genuine question??

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MoogleKupo141
07/25/21 5:29:12 PM
#97:


he accused you of marking the post you were asking about
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StealThisSheen
07/25/21 6:00:02 PM
#98:


UltimaterializerX posted...
When its flagrant harassment or obsessive post marking, no.

Still sounds like censorship to me, but hey, if you're coming out as pro censorship, good to know

That said, it was probably not Waluigi that marked it, considering you can't quote posts you've marked.

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Forceful_Dragon
07/25/21 8:53:06 PM
#99:


Ulti should just assume if ever he gets moderated that it is because I logged into an alt and marked it. Then he can continue to talk with the remaining people who are still willing to have a conversation with him.

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Tom Bombadil
07/25/21 9:02:17 PM
#100:


Last night I went to a game between the Atomic Pork Chops and the Milkmen.
(usually the Atomic Pork Chops are the Cougars but I guess they change it some nights?)

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Maniac64
07/25/21 9:21:33 PM
#101:


Tom Bombadil posted...
Last night I went to a game between the Atomic Pork Chops and the Milkmen.
(usually the Atomic Pork Chops are the Cougars but I guess they change it some nights?)
They should change it every night.

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