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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:24:32 PM
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Ive just been stalling him with, thats a debunked conspiracy theory, champ, but I cant find any actual evidence that supports the consensus in this particular case. I realize that the burden of proof is on the accuser but still, I want to Destroy him haha
and I cant post any of this stuff since its probably against the rules for some reason. The whole situation is frustrating tbh
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darkprince45
07/17/21 6:24:53 PM
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Turbam
07/17/21 6:27:17 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
want to Destroy him
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BloodMoon7
07/17/21 6:28:10 PM
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Just send him your penis.

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Unclover028
07/17/21 6:29:10 PM
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End your friendship and find better friends
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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:29:12 PM
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Turbam posted...
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He is wrong about everything and is a bigot, but like, for example I cant PROVE there was a water leak in Georgia since I have no forensic evidence (water) and hell just call any witness a shill or Chinese agent. These guys pick the most obscure things to obsess about.
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iPhone_7
07/17/21 6:30:12 PM
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You dont debate conspiracy theorists, its a never ending thing

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K181
07/17/21 6:31:11 PM
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You can't use logic to refute opinions formed by illogical means.

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Axiom
07/17/21 6:31:52 PM
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Your first problem is you call a fascist your buddy
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joe40001
07/17/21 6:33:25 PM
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You can probably vaguely talk about what it's regarding.

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Solid Snake07
07/17/21 6:33:55 PM
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Is he actually a facist or is this like the modern use of the term for "someone I disagree with"

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Solid Snake07
07/17/21 6:35:56 PM
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iPhone_7 posted...
You dont debate conspiracy theorists, its a never ending thing


Truth. Their entire thing is to plant doubt, no matter how far they're stretching. Objective truth and reasoning is wasted on them.

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:36:07 PM
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Ok like heres one. Im honestly just an idiot when it comes to this stuff (I thought the supreme court was popularly elected until I was 27), so I just want someone here to debunk all of this for me haha since I KNOW hes wrong since theres a veritable consensus of politicians on the matter.
https://i.ibb.co/wp5mJrY/EADEF6-CE-5-F43-459-B-A295-269000616-D73.png
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Goatsensation
07/17/21 6:37:49 PM
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Turbam
07/17/21 6:38:12 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Ok like heres one. Im honestly just an idiot when it comes to this stuff (I thought the supreme court was popularly elected until I was 27), so I just want someone here to debunk all of this for me haha since I KNOW hes wrong since theres a veritable consensus of politicians on the matter.
https://i.ibb.co/wp5mJrY/EADEF6-CE-5-F43-459-B-A295-269000616-D73.png
If homeboy is getting his proof from /pol/, then there's no point in talking with him.

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:40:54 PM
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Turbam posted...
If homeboy is getting his proof from /pol/, then there's no point in talking with him.

he sent me this too, from the great Nate Silver himself. Has this article been fact-checked?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-did-all-the-bellwether-counties-go/amp/
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Unclover028
07/17/21 6:41:42 PM
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Why are you friends with a fascist?
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ROBANN_88
07/17/21 6:43:09 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Ok like heres one. Im honestly just an idiot when it comes to this stuff (I thought the supreme court was popularly elected until I was 27), so I just want someone here to debunk all of this for me haha since I KNOW hes wrong since theres a veritable consensus of politicians on the matter.
https://i.ibb.co/wp5mJrY/EADEF6-CE-5-F43-459-B-A295-269000616-D73.png

did.... did he just call President Obama "obongo"?

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:43:23 PM
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Unclover028 posted...
Why are you friends with a fascist?
He used to be normal and we go way back, used to play look at Twisted Metal 4 with the multitap for hours.
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Error1355
07/17/21 6:43:27 PM
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darkprince45 posted...
This is a weird topic


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joe40001
07/17/21 6:44:52 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
he sent me this too, from the great Nate Silver himself. Has this article been fact-checked?
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/where-did-all-the-bellwether-counties-go/amp/
What's wrong with it? Seems to just suggest demographics are shifting.

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joe40001
07/17/21 6:45:06 PM
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PS: I wonder if TC is just trying to use this angle because of how contrarian places can be. He really believes this stuff, but is saying "it's dumb fascism" so that some of us might come in and say "well acktullay" and end up affirming with what he already believes.

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:46:55 PM
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joe40001 posted...
What's wrong with it? Seems to just suggest demographics are shifting.

Certainly, but until he sent it I thought that the evisceration of bellweathers in 2020 was debunked. Obviously theres a perfectly rational explanation, but still.
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Funkydog
07/17/21 6:48:21 PM
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Even if you give irrefutable evidence he'll dismiss it as fake news, so either cut him out of your life or get anyone who cares about him to stage an intervention I guess.

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joe40001
07/17/21 6:48:46 PM
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Put simply. There is just no evidence for election fraud.

Like there were lots of legal investigations into it, and no evidence for fraud came up.

Most of the evidence for it is just "hey look at this, kinda sus mirite?" which is maybe a launching point for investigation, but the investigations happened and nobody could come up with anything.

Trust me, I care about the truth and I have a contrarian streak, if there was a massive cover up I'd be at least somewhat aware of it, and even I'm like "that's a hard no from me, dawg" because there is simply no evidence for it.

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Nukazie
07/17/21 6:49:39 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
Just send him your penis.


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Error1355
07/17/21 6:50:11 PM
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Sure is wild how you keep having 'tee hee my crazy fascist buddy keeps sending me [link with bullshit] BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT WRONG! tee hee'.

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MutantJohn
07/17/21 6:51:20 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Even if you give irrefutable evidence he'll dismiss it as fake news, so either cut him out of your life or get anyone who cares about him to stage an intervention I guess.
Exactly. This is the modern alt right handles truth. They just call it fake and just like that, it is

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Bandit_Keith
07/17/21 6:52:07 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Sure is wild how you keep having 'tee hee my crazy fascist buddy keeps sending me [link with bullshit] BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT WRONG! tee hee'.
Why do the rules allow people to troll like this though?

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CableZL
07/17/21 6:52:13 PM
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Just add lines at the bottom

> Biden got over 81,000,000 votes
>Trump got over 74,000,000 votes
> Biden got 306 electoral votes
> Trump got 232 electoral votes
> Trump lost

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:53:39 PM
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joe40001 posted...
Put simply. There is just no evidence for election fraud.

Like there were lots of legal investigations into it, and no evidence for fraud came up.

Most of the evidence for it is just "hey look at this, kinda sus mirite?" which is maybe a launching point for investigation, but the investigations happened and nobody could come up with anything.

Trust me, I care about the truth and I have a contrarian streak, if there was a massive cover up I'd be at least somewhat aware of it, and even I'm like "that's a hard no from me, dawg" because there is simply no evidence for it.
Definitely feel the same way, I trust no one and nothing. Like you said, if there was fraud, it would have been proven rather than the cases all being dismissed. With that said - having been educated in Liberal Arts, including political science, I know for a fact that the presidents party ALWAYS picks up seats in his first election, until 2020 that is. I dont know how to explain the dichotomy in 2020. Were that many Republicans just voting AGAINST Trump?
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monkmith
07/17/21 6:53:44 PM
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BloodMoon7 posted...
Just send him your penis.
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Goatsensation
07/17/21 6:54:22 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Sure is wild how you keep having 'tee hee my crazy fascist buddy keeps sending me [link with bullshit] BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT WRONG! tee hee'.

Not as wild as I am.

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CableZL
07/17/21 6:54:47 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Definitely feel the same way, I trust no one and nothing. Like you said, if there was fraud, it would have been proven rather than the cases all being dismissed. With that said - having been educated in Liberal Arts, including political science, I know for a fact that the presidents party ALWAYS picks up seats in his first election, until 2020 that is. I dont know how to explain the dichotomy in 2020. Were that many Republicans just voting AGAINST Trump?

A number of Republicans didn't vote for Trump, but still voted for Republicans down the ballot.

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joe40001
07/17/21 6:56:18 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Definitely feel the same way, I trust no one and nothing. Like you said, if there was fraud, it would have been proven rather than the cases all being dismissed. With that said - having been educated in Liberal Arts, including political science, I know for a fact that the presidents party ALWAYS picks up seats in his first election, until 2020 that is. I dont know how to explain the dichotomy in 2020.

Were that many Republicans just voting AGAINST Trump?
Yes.

He was voted in as a disruptor to the status quo, a symbol of "fuck you" to the establishment. But after 4 years of that plenty of republicans were like "yeah, we didn't get that much good out of him, and Biden is fine, he's not like Hillary or AoC or some shit"

Trump wasn't a mainstream republican which is why trends around him were very different.

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ROBANN_88
07/17/21 6:56:56 PM
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Error1355 posted...
Sure is wild how you keep having 'tee hee my crazy fascist buddy keeps sending me [link with bullshit] BUT I CAN'T PROVE IT WRONG! tee hee'.

like someone saying to their crush: "we should bang......nah, i'm kidding, it's just a joke. unless...."

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 6:57:09 PM
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CableZL posted...
A number of Republicans didn't vote for Trump, but still voted for Republicans down the ballot.
Maybe its because Im versed in Political Science, but I just have it drilled in my head that this is basically impossible. Obviously it DID happen, but its causing me to question the tenets of poli sci and liberal arts writ large.
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MutantJohn
07/17/21 6:57:16 PM
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I really don't get why the alt right chose to deify Trump of all people

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monkmith
07/17/21 6:58:21 PM
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MutantJohn posted...
I really don't get why the alt right chose to deify Trump of all people

is it really the 'alt' right at this point?

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joe40001
07/17/21 6:58:59 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
but its causing me to question the tenets of poli sci and liberal arts writ large.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr3HwA9B0o4

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Funkydog
07/17/21 7:00:20 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Maybe its because Im versed in Political Science, but I just have it drilled in my head that this is basically impossible. Obviously it DID happen, but its causing me to question the tenets of poli sci and liberal arts writ large.
Voting trends aren't fundamental parts of the physics of existence. Just because something is common with voting habits, doesn't mean that is what will always happen.

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pikachupwnage
07/17/21 7:01:14 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Ok like heres one. Im honestly just an idiot when it comes to this stuff (I thought the supreme court was popularly elected until I was 27), so I just want someone here to debunk all of this for me haha since I KNOW hes wrong since theres a veritable consensus of politicians on the matter.
https://i.ibb.co/wp5mJrY/EADEF6-CE-5-F43-459-B-A295-269000616-D73.png

If you cant refute that then your observational, and research skills and general intelligence are probably about on par with that of a 3 month old pug.

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Oh_you_travel
07/17/21 7:01:44 PM
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Funkydog posted...
Voting trends aren't fundamental parts of the physics of existence. Just because something is common with voting habits, doesn't mean that is what will always happen.

I know this now but it has be questioning my entire liberal arts education. Although I switched to Engineering as a career, Im still a liberal artist at heart.

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Funkydog
07/17/21 7:03:48 PM
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Well, I'm going to go with...

darkprince45 posted...
This is a weird topic

...and wish I had from the start.

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VitalGetPrank
07/17/21 7:04:08 PM
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Oh_you_travel posted...
Ok like heres one. Im honestly just an idiot when it comes to this stuff (I thought the supreme court was popularly elected until I was 27), so I just want someone here to debunk all of this for me haha since I KNOW hes wrong since theres a veritable consensus of politicians on the matter.
https://i.ibb.co/wp5mJrY/EADEF6-CE-5-F43-459-B-A295-269000616-D73.png

Seems like a simple argument to counter.

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs

If he responds with some garbage like "fake news" just point out that news isn't fake just because he's triggered by what they say.

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joe40001
07/17/21 7:06:08 PM
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VitalGetPrank posted...
Seems like a simple argument to counter.

https://www.vox.com/2020/11/13/21563825/2020-elections-most-secure-dhs-cisa-krebs

If he responds with some garbage like "fake news" just point out that news isn't fake just because he's triggered by what they say.

Vox is not the site to go to for this kind of thing.

Even when they aren't wrong they are kinda shit.

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