Current Events > GOT show runners don't realize how much money they lost

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Boombam99 posted...

GRRM deserves more blame than he gets for the way things turned out, but no one ever blames him

This is true. Even though the books are getting sillier as they go on, and the ending will probably be pretty similar to the show...

The dialogue. GRRM is like the fantasy Tarantino. His dialogue is what made the show incredible for the first four seasons. Once his written material started to dwindle and there weren't so many legendary scenes to adapt, the dialogue suffered immensely.

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I Like Toast posted...

Natalie Portman has had a career. Black Swan, V for Vendetta, Thor, etc.

Hayden Christensen...

Shit, if that dude had been a good actor, that sand monologue still would've ruined him. <_<

I Like Toast posted...

Thanks for admitting you're talking out of your ass and want to blame D&D for GRRM not being able to write, still, all these years after the show has been over.

Jesus man look we're all annoyed that GRRM is never going to finish Winds of Winder but D&D had basically two more full books of material to go from as well as infinite money from HBO. They would've let them go however long they wanted -- GoT was synonymous with HBO at its peak.

You're talking like GRRM being a lazy ass is a free pass for D&D

Honestly part of me thinks D&D took the notes on how the series was going to end from GRRM and showed them exactly how they played out (albeit in rushed fashion), but GRRM saw how awful the show went so he's going back and redoing everything

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Shablagoo posted...

Youre just wrong and clearly havent read the series.

If i was wrong I'd be you and think D&D were responsible for writing the final 2 books. GRRM is the one who told them the bullet points for the final books that didn't involve dorne, so they didn't spend time adapting something that was setting up something GRRM can't write. The relevant bit of Dorne is in the show and non insufferable people enjoyed the red viper fight and Olenna's character. While insufferables like you went THE SAND SNAKES DIDNT GET ENOUGH SCREEN TIME AND WHAT ABOUT THIS SHIT THATS SET UP BUT GRRM HAS NO CLUE WHAT TO DO WITH I EXPECT D&D TO WRITE BETTER THAN EVEN GRRM!!!!!

But you keep being the insufferable you always will be.

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PatrickMahomes posted...

You're talking like GRRM being a lazy ass is a free pass for D&D

Only an insufferable expects D&D to do GRRMs job. GRRM still can't write winds of winter in a decade. And people thought 10 years ago he wouldn't live another 10 years.

PatrickMahomes posted...

hey would've let them go however long they wanted -- GoT was synonymous with HBO at its peak.

weird, I didn't know HBO conquered aging to stop Maise, Sophie, and Shane from aging. Using child actors always places a time limit. They could have stretched it another 2 years top and not done the shorterned seasons, which still doesn't change that GRRM didn't write anything new and D&D were never going create as well as they adapt.

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lmfao toast man melty

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its da butter dats supposed to melt not da toast lmao

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ArianaGrandSlam posted...

HIMYMs ending was good actually, people just picked straws and decided that was the thing to be mad at that week

No.

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shockthemonkey posted...

Toast meltdowns have been exactly the same type of weird for over a decade and that baffles me

The weird thing is like I completely agree with him on the GRRM = lazy ass part, and I partially agree on "wtf were D&D supposed to do" part -- that's not the type of minor difference of opinions that leads to a full on melty hahahah lmfao

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Shablagoo posted...

They dont care lol. David Benioff is the son of a former Goldman Sachs CEO (ever wondered how a guy with no experience or education in television got the job of showrunning GoT? Yeah.) and they made plenty of bank slowly destroying this piece of art.

I know this is an old post, but while nepotism might have been on Benioff's side, he wrote several movies and novels before getting the GoT job. City of Thieves in particular was a fantastic novel, and makes me think that anyone that paints him as a writer with no worth only watches TV and doesn't actually read.

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codey posted...

I know this is an old post, but while nepotism might have been on Benioff's side, he wrote several movies and novels before getting the GoT job. City of Thieves in particular was a fantastic novel, and makes me think that anyone that paints him as a writer with no worth only watches TV and doesn't actually read.

Lol I know of his books, theyre mysoginistic racist trash.

And besides, that has little to do with running a television show. I even concede that some scenes that were made from scratch in the early seasons (i.e. not taken from the books) were fantastically written. But running a show is a whole different beast than writing a book, and it showed as the series went on. For example, part (just part, but still part) of the reason the Dorne plot was so ass in the show is because D&D didnt know how to schedule properly.

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There used to be a rumor going around saying the final season was getting remade

Please explain how City of Thieves is misogynistic or racist, especially considering that there's only white Russian and German characters involved.

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I Like Toast posted...

oh TIL Weiss and Benoiff wrote a song of ice and fire and couldn't finish it because they wrote themselves into a corner. Weird, so what does GRRM do?

I read the rest of your comments in this thread but I'll just go back to this one.

Did you think this was like, a smart thing to say or something? You seem to be thinking of this line of reasoning as sound and logical, when in reality, it is fucking stupid.

How, in your little world, is Martin not finishing the series the reason why D&D produced literal garbage the last two seasons? The show was riding on it's peak, and they...just rushed it to the end. They had all the time and money in the world to flesh things out and they went nah we out.

Stop saying "it's Martin's fault and he didn't finish!" because he handed them the major moments he was going to write and they let out a big wet fart instead.

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"How is it the fault of the persons whose job was to write the ending that final seasons weren't as good as when they had source material! " ~ insufferables

No amount of stalling is going to fix grrm writing himself into a corner he can't figure a way out of. Dani and jon would still have no on screen chemistry. People would still be mad about her not being the benevolent hero. People would still be mad about the night king. People would still be mad about bran. And you're going to do what, fluff it out with a dorne plot that goes nowhere?

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Shablagoo posted...

Lol I know of his books, theyre mysoginistic racist trash.

Can you elaborate? I've done some googling on it and I don't see any mention. The movie of his books got directed by Spike Lee for crying out loud. Can't imagine that books being overly racist

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GOT costs a lot more to produce than ST

or TWD

ST they have enough props & sets to last an eternity
TWD you grab your actors, a camera, and go into the woods

Xethuminra posted...

GOT costs a lot more to produce than ST

or TWD

ST they have enough props & sets to last an eternity
TWD you grab your actors, a camera, and go into the woods

It does

but money was not at all the issue with the later seasons

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ZevLoveDOOM posted...

i was refering to Weiss and Benioff aka Tweedlefuck and Tweedledipshit...

Yep, the guys who wrote/produced all of your favorite episodes

I Like Toast posted...

"No one cares about this thing i'm talking about, right guys, DAE hate D&D for not holding GRRM hostage and making him finish writing the books. THOSE FUCKING HACKS!!!!" ~ op

The old man needs to pick up the pace, at the rate he's going he's writing one page a year at best, is over 70, and still has 2 more 1.5k page books to complete.

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Bolle_Henk_ posted...

Can you elaborate? I've done some googling on it and I don't see any mention. The movie of his books got directed by Spike Lee for crying out loud. Can't imagine that books being overly racist

I dont expect you to watch an hour-long video for my sake, but if you ever have the time, or just want to skim it or whatever, here is a very dedicatedly researched piece on Benioffs past misogynistic and racist writing and how it bled into GoT.

https://youtu.be/4fcs7GUPML8

Im not sure if the book the Spike Lee joint is based on contains it but even just skipping through the video I see both City of Thieves and 25th Hour mentioned which are 2 of his most famous works. (Ive watched the entire thing before, just not for a while.)

Believe me I know the video title is (intentionally) absurd and the premise seems ridiculous, but the more you hear the more your eyes will grow wide with dark revelation.

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I Like Toast posted...

Thanks for admitting you're talking out of your ass and want to blame D&D for GRRM not being able to write, still, all these years after the show has been over.

Fucking stupid ass take by someone who knows nothing about the show's production or the series. They decided to do their own thing well before they were out of material, after GRRM was no longer working with them because of the stupid changes they'd already made. They had two books with three seasons of material that they condensed to just over a season, so not having the books to go off is not an excuse. It was entirely their own stupid decision.

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I Like Toast posted...

except this has been proven false multiple times and they weren't approached until after they decided they wanted to hurry GoT because they saw GRRM wasn't going to write and there was no point in stalling it out any further since people were going to hate anything they did.

Yes, when it was abundantly clear around Season 3 that GRRM was not to be relied on to provide new material they had to figure out a direction to take the show. Could have been avoided had Martin written a word of Wow

Derwood posted...

Could have been avoided had Martin written a word of Wow

He started releasing sample chapters from Winds in 2011

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Shablagoo posted...

He started releasing sample chapters from Winds in 2011

those are just chapters cut out of Dance

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"No one talks about GoT anymore!" is always one of the dumbest fucking takes lol

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DarthAragorn posted...

those are just chapters cut out of Dance

Either way they contain some very major developments that could have easily springboarded new plot threads, and they were entirely ignored by Doo & Doo.

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The ratings for the final season were incredible, the fuck are you talking about?

JoelMiller95 posted...

The ratings for the final season were incredible, the fuck are you talking about?

it was also one of the most streamed shows during the pandemic

to say it was "forgotten" or "no one talks about it anymore" is stupid

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The showrunners didn't lose shit. The franchise is built on the books, not the show. The show could only ever go so far because the guy controlling the franchise wasn't the showrunner, they were just working with the guy controlling the franchise. And because they chose to have it on *HBO*, there was never going to be the same opportunity you'd have from films and GRRM didn't want it to be a film.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Ah yeah that series known for producing so many prolific actors like Harrison Ford and.... Uh....

...literally made Liam Neeson into a major action star, not that a series needs to give people careers afterward, particularly when most of them can coast by on the success from the films (or, in other cases, that massive success meant they didn't have much in the way of another career). His career before that was mostly just artsy, Oscar-bait. After that he started doing blockbuster after blockbuster.

That said, despite being typecast as Luke, Mark Hamill hit it big as the Joker's VA so he has two iconic roles to his name.

It also probably helped Natalie Portman's career, although nowhere near as directly as it helped Liam Neeson. Literally the only reason anybody in this topic knows who Liam Neeson is thanks to SW giving his career a shot in the arm and propelling him to become a household name.

Tyranthraxus posted...

People already massively successful prior to casting notwithstanding (Samuel, Liam)

>Massively successful
>Most of Liam's movies were tiny

This fucking guy thinks Liam Neeson movies making $200k on a $6m budget is "massively successful." ROFLMAO!!! Other than Schlinder's List, did Liam Neeson have much real success before TPM? Liam Neeson has two parts to his career, his middling years before SW and the breakout star he became after SW where he headlined big money blockbusters.

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GoT got GOT big time.

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Zeus posted...

did Liam Neeson have much real success before TPM?

Rob Roy and Darkman. (And Schindler's List which you already acknowledged)

But sure he wasn't on Sammy's level.


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