Current Events > Federal judge overturns national eviction ban

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https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/05/federal-judge-lifts-eviction-ban.html

Federal Judge Dabney Friedrich struck down on Wednesday the national eviction moratorium, potentially leaving millions of Americans at risk of losing their homes two months earlier than expected. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has banned most evictions across the country since September. The protection slated to expire at the end of January, but President Joe Biden has extended it, first until April, and later through June. Some 1 in 5 renters across the U.S. are behind on their payments amid the coronavirus pandemic, and states are scrambling to disburse more than $45 billion in rental assistance.

Housing advocates have said that the national ban is necessary to stave off an unprecedented displacement of Americans, which could worsen the pandemic just as the country is turning a corner. Researchers have found that allowing evictions to continue in certain states caused as many as 433,700 excess cases of Covid-19 and 10,700 additional deaths in the U.S. between March and September, before the CDC ban went into effect nationwide. At least two other federal judges have questioned the CDCs power to ban evictions. And landlords have criticized the policy, saying they cant afford to continue housing people for free. The decision by Friedrich of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who was appointed to the court in 2017 by former President Donald Trump, is a victory for the property owners whove challenged the CDCs moratorium.

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What was the constitutional basis for the moratorium anyway?

You have to be a sick piece of shit to be ok with this

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Blue_Inigo posted...

You have to be a sick piece of shit to be ok with this

The decision by Friedrich of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who was appointed to the court in 2017 by former President Donald Trump, is a victory for the property owners whove challenged the CDCs moratorium.

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Holy shit

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Being a landlord sounds like it'd be a huge pain in the ass, tbh.

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Landlords need their money. Some of them have kids in college, and college isn't cheap.

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The pandemics all but over at this point. So their just delaying the inevitable honestly.

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An eviction moratorium without also foreclosure and seizure moratoriums doesn't accomplish much other than redistributing property to banks and tax-collectors.

For people who didn't get evicted but also didn't pay, are they legally required to pay for the extra time they spent in the apartment?

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once again America wages war on its own people

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Wow there is going to be a massive amount of evictions in the near future, along with a sizable amount of leases not being renewed

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DarkRoast posted...

For people who didn't get evicted but also didn't pay, are they legally required to pay for the extra time they spent in the apartment?

Yes

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BignutzisBack posted...

Wow there is going to be a massive amount of evictions in the near future, along with a sizable amount of leases not being renewed

There's going to be a huge shuffle as everyone's evicted, but then landlords realize they have to rent to somebody.

The last year or so of rent is just gone, renters have to deal with the expense and hassle of relocating, and the only winners are going to be moving companies.

DarkRoast posted...

For people who didn't get evicted but also didn't pay, are they legally required to pay for the extra time they spent in the apartment?

The moratorium did nothing to stop them from owing rent, only the eviction of not being able to pay rent.

For Arkansas tenants, this might be a criminal issue.

Fuck the realtors and property owners who filed the lawsuit, and fuck this judge for her ruling.

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Musourenka posted...

fuck this judge for her ruling.

i bet it was one of those trump appointed judges.
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kingdrake2 posted...

i bet it was one of those trump appointed judges.

Jagr_68 posted...

The decision by Friedrich of the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, who was appointed to the court in 2017 by former President Donald Trump, is a victory for the property owners whove challenged the CDCs moratorium.

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and in the meantime, federal rent aid has been sitting unspent because dozens of states have been dragging ass and refusing to distribute it, either because they want to fight over who deserves it or because they want to find ways to funnel it into their own budget...

and of course, many landlords would refuse it anyway...

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Basically the judge was like "This thing that you're referencing that you say gives you the authority to ban evictions, I think you've taken some words from it and defined them way too broadly. Your authority is limited."

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DarkRoast posted...

For people who didn't get evicted but also didn't pay, are they legally required to pay for the extra time they spent in the apartment?

mD_atheist posted...

Yes

Shit is about to get fucking real for millions of people.

Landlords rise up

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PoundGarden posted...

Shit is about to get fucking real for millions of people.

Landlords rise up

Yikes

What_ posted...

Yikes

Well it's true. I called this as soon as the eviction bans went into place, as soon as they end we're gonna have millions of people with thousands of dollars owed in rent due ASAP. Because I understand most people are really, really fuckig stupid. Many of us know people who've been collecting their UI, not paying rent, and spending money on frivolous things.

So I ask all the folks outraged over this: if someone owed you thousands of dollars, would you just say "oh thats ok, I'm a socialist, I don't believe in debt" or wtfever it is you folks tell yourself to justify this insane idea housing should be free and profit = EVIL

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PoundGarden posted...

Well it's true. I called this as soon as the eviction bans went into place, as soon as they end we're gonna have millions of people with thousands of dollars owed in rent due ASAP. Because I understand most people are really, really fuckig stupid. Many of us know people who've been collecting their UI, not paying rent, and spending money on frivolous things.

So I ask all the folks outraged over this: if someone owed you thousands of dollars, would you just say "oh thats ok, I'm a socialist, I don't believe in debt" or wtfever it is you folks tell yourself to justify this insane idea housing should be free and profit = EVIL

Oof

Demanding rent from people who have been out of work for a year is a non-starter. So is evicting them. And so is telling landlords to take the hit.

Ergo this is going to require government intervention. Bear in mind, this isnt a normal financial crisis, it's the result of a major global pandemic, one which will be a constant threat now. New ideas are required.

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Xavier_On_High posted...

Demanding rent from people who have been out of work for a year is a non-starter. So is evicting them. And so is telling landlords to take the hit.

Ergo this is going to require government intervention. Bear in mind, this isnt a normal financial crisis, it's the result of a major global pandemic, one which will be a constant threat now. New ideas are required.

I think this is a good take on the situation tbh


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Damn_Underscore posted...

I think this is a good take on the situation tbh

If anything, it's the least awful take, at the very least.

As someone who is a landlord I spend some time on different landlord websites or sections of reddit. Their perspective is basically hey nice program, but the tenants have to sign up for it to get rental assistance and none of them are. Why am I stuck losing money?


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So how many millions of people in America are fucked by this?

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Lebronwon posted...

And landlords have criticized the policy, saying they cant afford to continue housing people for free.

Won't somebody please think of the poor *checks notes* landlords that are literally rich enough to own multiple houses...

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One thing I'd note is that landlords were still evicting people during the moratorium
https://apnews.com/article/virginia-2cd86381f4cbdfc63ec4697fdb47ba72
https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/investigations/nbc-7-responds/despite-moratorium-nearly-1000-san-diegans-evicted-last-year/2522927/
https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2021/01/08/houston-texas-evictions
https://www.santafenewmexican.com/news/local_news/report-santa-fe-evictions-continue-despite-moratoriums/article_fbd317ec-a6a2-11eb-b0b7-0bff0f24fc9d.html

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Orlando_Jordan posted...

Landlords need their money. Some of them have kids in college, and college isn't cheap.

Maybe they shouldn't have bought that property then.

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Fair, next

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Antifar posted...

One thing I'd note is that landlords were still evicting people during the moratorium

AFAIK, it ONLY protects you if you lost your job/ability to pay rent.

If you had drugs in the house, or you were damaging the property, or any of several other things a Landlord might want to evict you for they still can.

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I'm not sure how the 2020 moratoriums worked, but the 2021 ones required tenants to declare that they can't afford the rent and have been paying whatever rent they've been able (even if zero).

Anyways, can landlords start immediately evicting those protected by the moratorium or is there a delay before it happens?

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WrkHrdPlayHrdr posted...

If you had drugs in the house, or you were damaging the property, or any of several other things a Landlord might want to evict you for they still can.

"You can't, without a good excuse" just means that excuse will be found.

ScazarMeltex posted...

Maybe they shouldn't have bought that property then.

Making good financial moves for the well-being of your family is a bad thing?

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Questionmarktarius posted...

"You can't, without a good excuse" just means that excuse will be found.

Probably. I'm sure theres landlords that aren't getting rent so they look for any other excuse to single out.

I was just trying to point out that it isn't an overall blanket "you can't evict people" type of thing.

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<a onclick="return show_quoted_message(400, 79442761, 953590875, '23294f6c');" href="/boards/400-current-events/79442761/953590875">Orlando_Jordan posted... </a>

Making good financial moves for the well-being of your family is a bad thing?

It can't be both a good financial move and leaving them in need of money.

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GregShmedley posted...

Housing bubble about to burst.

Maybe now's a good time to sell my house.

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I mean, this was going to happen sooner or later
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If there isn't also some sort of intervention to help people displaced by this, we're gonna see massive civil unrest in the near future

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Questionmarktarius posted...

What was the constitutional basis for the moratorium anyway?

its called humanity and good treatment of other humans, screw this judge

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I'm curious,

If not now, when?

PoundGarden posted...

Well it's true. I called this as soon as the eviction bans went into place, as soon as they end we're gonna have millions of people with thousands of dollars owed in rent due ASAP. Because I understand most people are really, really fuckig stupid. Many of us know people who've been collecting their UI, not paying rent, and spending money on frivolous things.

So I ask all the folks outraged over this: if someone owed you thousands of dollars, would you just say "oh thats ok, I'm a socialist, I don't believe in debt" or wtfever it is you folks tell yourself to justify this insane idea housing should be free and profit = EVIL

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DarkRoast posted...

Being a landlord sounds like it'd be a huge pain in the ass, tbh.

It is a huge pain in the ass. >_>

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The-Apostle posted...

It is a huge pain in the ass. >_>

You know what's a bigger pain in the ass tho?

Being homeless.

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The big issue with all this, and a lot of aspects of covid, is that it's hitting people so unevenly.

Landlords aren't by their nature bad guys any more than people than own restaurants or shops on mainstreet are but many of them had their businesses decimated by the pandemic and in many cases the government literally made it illegal for them to make money.

Maybe society needed it to happen to save lives but if that's the case why shouldn't society pay for it?

Instead of spreading the cost of the pandemic we are basically leaving some people untouched and other people ruined.

Tough shit. If a landlord tried.to evict me they'd have a fight, and that should be the case for absolutely everyone. I'd the law fails the people then people need to become the law.

The fact that they instituted that without any proper support to the tenants/landlords has always been disgusting. It was basically just delaying a massive issue until later while making it exponentially worse for both parties involved.