Current Events > Reddit admin outright states that harassment towards whites is supported

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Fine, I'll post in this topic where apparently racism =/= racism

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Shmurricane posted...

Fine, I'll post in this topic where apparently racism =/= racism

idk most ppl here seem to agree racism = racism

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This has been known for a while. Radical feminist/minority supremacist subreddits, even the TERF ones, and even the ones that literally disallow men/whites from posting, get to stay up, but any cringy alt-right versions for whites or men get quarantined or banned.

Not that I like either type of bigoted forum, but it's inconsistent and unfair. Reddit's run by hacks. If there's a valid use for the term "SJW" it applies to them. I wouldn't discuss anything social or political there, since there's a heavy bias in those regards. Just use it to talk about video games, TV, and stuff.

Hell some guy tried to make a subreddit for learning the languages of India, and it got banned because of India's oppression of women lol.
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Tyranthraxus posted...

And in today's episode of "people who call out racism are the real racists".....

Attacking someone for being the majority isn't fighting bigotry.

racism is wrong,theres nothing you can do about it.but dont act like you guys have clean hands when it comes to racism......theres almost a racist topic on this site every fricking day.

They should move further left and stop supporting any harassment at all except towards capitalists and cops.

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Reddit kinda has everything. Sure you have subs for men hating radical feminists, but then you have subs where girls show their buttholes. In the end it all evens out.

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Doom_Art posted...

Pretending to be oppressed is all some of y'all have and it's weird af

Shut the fuck up and go be a pest elsewhere.

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sktgamer_13dude posted...

How hard is it for you to see the nuance between racism against white people, who are generally the majority and on the whole, not as prejudiced against as say, minorities have been in this country and why people might care a little more about punching down racism over punching up racism.

Fuck. That. You want to talk systemic racism, that's fine. But individually, there is no fucking difference.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Fuck. That. You want to talk systemic racism, that's fine. But individually, there is no fucking difference.

When some white guy calls a black guy the n word, there's centuries of hatred and harm behind it.

When a black guy uses another name for a saltine biscuit to refer to white guys? There's really nothing behind it that can compare. Nobody was enslaved or dehumanized for being a c-word.

Not that you'll understand the difference.

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Playing oppression Olympics is a really fucking bad take.

And slur or insult is offensive. Just because one group is more sensitive about it, doesn't change that fact.

Harassment against entire groups should never be handwoven or downplayed.

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dave_is_slick posted...

Shut the fuck up and go be a pest elsewhere.

Theyre right.

"Yeah there's an entire history of racial animosity towards black people spanning the entire length of the United States existing, but I'll say that they're just more sensitive about it so the onus is on them and not their subjugators. Also I'll call it oppression Olympics to show that I think that it's all fun and games because the history of animosity at no point in time could ever be used against me and actually works to benefit me even in the present day. So yes, I do think that calling a white guy "pale" is just as bad as calling a black guy the n-word because they're both just as bad."

I really wish CE would take a few minutes to read up on what implications are, because what they say and what it implies is far deeper than whatever they are consciously aware of. Probably because, in their privilege, they never have to consider the entire picture.

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gunplagirl posted...

I do think that calling a white guy "pale" is just as bad as calling a black guy the n-word because they're both just as bad."

Hell. The other one isnt even a slur.

Yeh my white privilege sac is so full it's leaking mayonnaise everywhere
I never even have to consider a pixel, let alone the entire picture
Other people do that for me thats how white i am

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Collat posted...

Hell. The other one isnt even a slur.

That's literally my fucking point, guy.

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Good ol punching up racism, the approved racism of champions against racism everywhere.

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Yo wtf is CE on tonight.

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gunplagirl posted...

That's literally my fucking point, guy.

Oof missed the quotation marks. My bad.

gunplagirl posted...

When some white guy calls a black guy the n word, there's centuries of hatred and harm behind it.

When a black guy uses another name for a saltine biscuit to refer to white guys? There's really nothing behind it that can compare. Nobody was enslaved or dehumanized for being a c-word.

Not that you'll understand the difference.

You understand "cracker" derives from "whip-cracker" right?

Not saying they are equivalent, but it's a not a comparison to Ritz.

(Even though I don't agree with you on like anything, I will give you a bit of a pass here, because I'll admit for the longest time I thought calling a white man "cracker" was a commentary on the cliche joke of while people being extremely bland)

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Middle hope posted...

Playing oppression Olympics is a really fucking bad take.

And slur or insult is offensive. Just because one group is more sensitive about it, doesn't change that fact.

Harassment against entire groups should never be handwoven or downplayed.

Acknowledging nuance and context isn't oppression Olympics. It doesn't matter how mad you get that the nuance and context exist. They do. Coming up with terms or misappropriating ones to cope with that nuance & context isn't really healthy.

None of that is handwaving or downplaying it. You have a fundamental misunderstanding of racial political history in America given the way you've framed it.

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Well this thread has been informative.
Mostly comments from people who have never experienced an incident of racism in their entire lives. Yet act like they are an oppressed and discrinimated against group.These people don't have a clue.

shnangyboos posted...

Good ol punching up racism, the approved racism of champions against racism everywhere.

What racism where? The subreddits are making fun of racists, not anti-white.

joe40001 posted...

You understand "cracker" derives from "whip-cracker" right?

That's not completely historically accurate.
It was used by Shakespeare to describe loudmouthed immigrants.
It was used to refer to laborers who would crack whips at cattle.
It was used by southerners in the US around the 1800s to refer to white immigrants.
It was used by those same immigrants, especially in Florida, as a taken-back term of endearment.
It wasn't until the 1900s, especially the Jim Crow era, where it became more commonly related to white bigots.
Saying it refers to "whip-crackers" is kind of a backronym. In context of the US, it referred to southern immigrants first in a derogatory manner, then in a largely positive one (that still holds in some communities), then in a derogatory way towards those white southerners. The "whip-crack" was mostly retroactively, in a way.

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

That's not completely historically accurate.
It was used by Shakespeare to describe loudmouthed immigrants.
It was used to refer to laborers who would crack whips at cattle.
It was used by southerners in the US around the 1800s to refer to white immigrants.
It was used by those same immigrants, especially in Florida, as a taken-back term of endearment.
It wasn't until the 1900s, especially the Jim Crow era, where it became more commonly related to white bigots.
Saying it refers to "whip-crackers" is kind of a backronym. In context of the US, it referred to southern immigrants first in a derogatory manner, then in a largely positive one (that still holds in some communities), then in a derogatory way towards those white southerners. The "whip-crack" was mostly retroactively, in a way.

That's generally not the rules these things are done with, typically if something once meant something quite derogatory and offensive then lots of modern people treat it as if it always means the worst thing it could mean.

I'm not saying that's the way it should be, but it definitely seems to be the rules that these people are playing by.

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What a shitshow

You can definitely hurt people with jokes about men or white people. But it's not really the same as being the target of systemic racism, like having a quantitatively lower chance of getting a good job with a nice salary. The two don't compare, and often casual racist jokes target systemic factors and not just goofy shit like muh low ridin thug or black dudes keeping only drinks in their fridge or whatever.

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racism can't be used to cure racism.

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myzz7 posted...

racism can't be used to cure racism.

I agree with this.

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myzz7 posted...

racism can't be used to cure racism.

No one is trying to cure racism by posting on reddit

And if they are it won't work anyway

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

What a shitshow

You can definitely hurt people with jokes about men or white people. But it's not really the same as being the target of systemic racism, like having a quantitatively lower chance of getting a good job with a nice salary. The two don't compare, and often casual racist jokes target systemic factors and not just goofy shit like muh low ridin thug or black dudes keeping only drinks in their fridge or whatever.

Doesn't really matter, even if some racism is worse than other racism, racism is still racism and when you have a rule that racism isn't allowed, it's supposed to fully, not selectively enforced.

Racism rules either get fully enforced, or not at all, none of this selective bullshit.

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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...

Doesn't really matter, even if some racism is worse than other racism, racism is still racism and when you have a rule that racism isn't allowed, it's supposed to fully, not selectively enforced.

Racism rules either get fully enforced, or not at all, none of this selective bullshit.

Where is the racism?

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

Where is the racism?

I'm referring to the OP where the reddit admin says in pretty much no uncertain terms that racism is bad except when it's aimed at whites, then it's ok.

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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...

Doesn't really matter, even if some racism is worse than other racism, racism is still racism and when you have a rule that racism isn't allowed, it's supposed to fully, not selectively enforced.

Racism rules either get fully enforced, or not at all, none of this selective bullshit.

That sounds like your personal rule. Reddit thinks punching up is totally fine.

I guess it's more specific to say that punching up is not really racist in nature... like what racist history is there to even draw on?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

That sounds like your personal rule. Reddit thinks punching up is totally fine.

racism against whites isn't punching up. As much as some might like to push that narrative, you're not above other people just for being white. I'm sure Will Smith does not see himself as below a random white dude with no job living in a trailer, nor would any third party see him as being below such a person either.

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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...

I'm referring to the OP where the reddit admin says in pretty much no uncertain terms that racism is bad except when it's aimed at whites, then it's ok.

The subs mentioned are anti-racism subs that poke fun at racists. They're not "anti-white people" or "anti-men" sub reddits and don't promote racism. So where is the racism?

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ChocoboMog123 posted...

The subs mentioned are anti-racism subs that poke fun at racists. They're not "anti-white people" or "anti-men" sub reddits and don't promote racism. So where is the racism?

I'm referring to the OP where the reddit admin says in pretty much no uncertain terms that racism is bad except when it's aimed at whites, then it's ok.

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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...

racism against whites isn't punching up. As much as some might like to push that narrative, you're not above other people just for being white. I'm sure Will Smith does not see himself as below a random white dude with no job living in a trailer, nor would any third party see him as being below such a person either.

"Punching up" isn't about who is above or below who. It deals with situation where people are largely shielded from systemic discrimination. Usually men and white people (in western multicultural countries), whether you want to accept that or not.

In these situations it's okay to make fun of these people because they do not suffer systematic abuse as a result of the race. It's not because they're "above", it's because there are no such problems to make fun of a white person for that deal with systemic issues. that's it.

Is that much clear? Is punching up in that way abusive? Not really. Can it hurt people? Sure

just to be clear: making fun of someone for a situation that links them to systematic oppression = not good

making fun of someone for something that doesn't link them to systematic oppression = not classy, but whatever

Do you have issues with people making fun of rich people, for example?

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

"Punching up" isn't about who is above or below who. It deals with situation where people are largely shielded from systemic discrimination. Usually men and white people (in western multicultural countries), whether you want to accept that or not.

In these situations it's okay to make fun of these people because they do not suffer systematic abuse as a result of the race. It's not because they're "above", it's because there are no such problems to make fun of a white person for that deal with systemic issues. that's it.

Is that much clear? Is punching up in that way abusive? Not really. Can it hurt people? Sure

just to be clear: making fun of someone for a situation that links them to systematic oppression = not good

making fun of someone for something that doesn't link them to systematic oppression = not classy, but whatever

Do you have issues with people making fun of rich people, for example?

So you agree with the reddit admin that discrimination is bad unless it's aimed at the "correct" people.

glad we cleared this up, have a good day.

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Lord_Shadow_19 posted...

So you agree with the reddit admin that discrimination is bad unless it's aimed at the "correct" people.

glad we cleared this up, have a good day.

yeah I guess you can stop talking to me if you want.

Reddit admin wasn't saying harassment is okay, just punching up jokes

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

yeah I guess you can stop talking to me if you want.

Reddit admin wasn't saying harassment is okay, just punching up jokes

I'm just not gonna fall for your mental gymnastics shit as to why some racism is ok, and other racism isn't.

It's pretty simple, racist comments are either ok or they aren't, full stop.

So again, even though I know you won't be able to resist posting another bad take, good day.

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white dudes want to live in oppression so bad lmao

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MedeaLysistrata posted...

Reddit admin wasn't saying harassment is okay, just punching up jokes

Could that be the problem??


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Shmurricane posted...

Could that be the problem??

Maybe on your arms if you do it for too long, I guess?

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'Our rules protect people based on a vulnerability [...] white people and men don't fall into that group.'
Where is the racism?

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

'Our rules protect people based on a vulnerability [...] white people and men don't fall into that group.'
Where is the racism?

"We protect people...unless they're white, or male" is a pretty racist and sexist thing to say.

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ChocoboMogALT posted...

'Our rules protect people based on a vulnerability [...] white people and men don't fall into that group.'
Where is the racism?

Discrimination based on race is...

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Gobstoppers12 posted...

"We protect people...unless they're white, or male" is a pretty racist and sexist thing to say.

Having special protections for disadvantaged groups is not racist against their oppressors, which is exactly what the subs in question are displaying.

dave_is_slick posted...

Discrimination based on race is...

Now we're moving into affirmative action territory and away from "racism against whites".

Racism against white people is bad. Not giving them extra protections that they don't need is not racism. The quote is in reply to a guy asking, "Why are these anti-racism and anti-violence subs not banned?" It's the difference between, "Why can we make fun of racists, but not make fun of Black people?" It's not discrimination based on race, it's discrimination based on power and stupidity.

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Reddit is a wonderful place. You can criticize a game's business model and then log on to find you got banned because it triggered fanboys into making death threats against you. Turns out that you were the thing which needed behavioural correction. That's reddit logic.