Poll of the Day > You know, the one main thing that annoys me about liberals is ...

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An authoritarian would say that they decide. A liberal would say let the person doing the behavior and anyone effected by the behavior sort it out between them.

So... Pistols at High Noon?

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Blightzkrieg posted...

The fun thing about this argument is that it's inherently hypocritical from the right.

They confess to intolerance while simultaneously demanding tolerance.

How about y'all just dont be racist shitlords and we leave it at that?

Pretty much. You ever notice that the right-wingers that speak in favour of small government and lower taxes don't get treated like sub-human scumbags for it? Maybe it's not the fact that the sub-human scumbags are right-wing that gets them treated that way, it's the fact that they're sub-human scumbags.

If you think a given behaviour should be tolerated, defend it as such and/or challenge those who don't tolerate it to defend that position. Attacking the mere act of intolerance accomplishes nothing except getting smartasses bringing up how intolerant that is.

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adjl posted...

Pretty much. You ever notice that the right-wingers that speak in favour of small government and lower taxes don't get treated like sub-human scumbags for it? Maybe it's not the fact that the sub-human scumbags are right-wing that gets them treated that way, it's the fact that they're sub-human scumbags.

If you think a given behaviour should be tolerated, defend it as such and/or challenge those who don't tolerate it to defend that position. Attacking the mere act of intolerance accomplishes nothing except getting smartasses bringing up how intolerant that is.

"I may also be a little drunk." was how this topic started - if that's the only time you start pontificating on this shit, you're behind the curve.

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Unbridled9 posted...

In one of the older Simpson's episodes the in-show executives decided to introduce a new character into Itchy & Scratchy named 'Poochie'. They designed him to be 'hip' and 'cool' with a bunch of 'attitude' (and Homer ended up voicing him). Then they introduced him and, in the episode, he completely derailed all the violence that normally happens to sing about how awesome and cool he was. He quickly became the most reviled character on the show and was killed off (extremely lazily. They didn't even animate it) so the cat and mouse could get back to their antics.

Yeah, I'm familiar. It was what I thought you might have meant but still didn't see how it was related.

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Thats why I dont pick a side.

I just do what the fuck I want.

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Unbridled9 posted...

This is why I divorced myself from both parties. I can't agree with the right on many of the issues and feel it is hopelessly ineffective; but the left is unacceptable as an alternative.

What is with conservatives telling this lie? Do they really think that just by simply being Trump supporters they aren't republicans? No one buys your shit. You're in here acting like you don't know what a bigot is and doing your best to defend them and attack "liberals" as intolerant because they think people different than themselves deserve to live.

You're a disgusting hypocrite.

Literally every conservatroll on this board insists they are centrist while they consistently parrot right-wing talking points

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Mead posted...

Literally every conservatroll on this board insists they are centrist while they consistently parrot right-wing talking points

It's a deliberate attempt to reframe political discourse

see sig

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Mead posted...

Literally every conservatroll on this board insists they are centrist while they consistently parrot right-wing talking points

Well their whole argument is that liberals are radical and moving further left while the reality is it's the left that has stayed in the same place and they are the ones moving.

Mead posted...

Literally every conservatroll on this board insists they are centrist while they consistently parrot right-wing talking points

It's funny how many people will proudly call themselves leftist and liberal in contrast. And everyone in places like this who voted for Trump is "not a Trump supporter" but thought he was "the best choice". And the actual mainstream left wing party in the US would be considered center-right in most other Western nations

They'll probably just say something like "well the left is mean to you if you identify as conservative! We're just trying to be reasonable moderates and it's their fault if we move to the right"

Arv learned people wont agree with logic its okay alls you can do is argue it out its what everyone likes

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Boy, some people sure don't like getting their ideology criticized.

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BlackScythe0 posted...

What is with conservatives telling this lie? Do they really think that just by simply being Trump supporters they aren't republicans? No one buys your shit. You're in here acting like you don't know what a bigot is and doing your best to defend them and attack "liberals" as intolerant because they think people different than themselves deserve to live.

You're a disgusting hypocrite.

If you think I am a Trump supporter why don't you first try asking my position on things to find out if I really am or not first before you assume the worst?

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Unbridled9 posted...

If you think I am a Trump supporter why don't you first try asking my position on things to find out if I really am or not first before you assume the worst?

Nobody cares what all of your positions are, at all

Youve posted enough to make it clear that you are overly obsessed with the narrative that the country is being taken over by SJWs on twitter and your judgement is totally clouded and preoccupied by that misconception

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Mead posted...

the narrative that the country is being taken over by SJWs on twitter

but think of how significant this impacts the country! That has to be basically every adult in the united sta-

Wait, it's only half of adults? But still that's quite a lot of-

Wait, that I misspoke, only 20% of US adults use twitter?

So why are twitter trends being portrayed as a big deal?

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the one main thing that annoys me about liberals is that they arent leftists

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

the one main thing that annoys me about liberals is that they arent leftists

Lol yeah they often are actually hypocritical on matters of "tolerance", but being mean to conservatives is not the reason why

Unbridled9 posted...

If you think I am a Trump supporter why don't you first try asking my position on things to find out if I really am or not first before you assume the worst?

You've spent most of your posts in this thread lying and trying to play silly little word games to defend bigotry. Why would I care about what you claim when your beliefs have already been made clear?

Unbridled9 posted...

If you think I am a Trump supporter why don't you first try asking my position on things to find out if I really am or not first before you assume the worst?

Perhaps you do deserve the benefit of the doubt. Very well:

Which positions do you find are not tolerated by the left to such an extent that you would call that entire half of the political spectrum "intolerant?" Bear in mind that disagreement is not intolerance.

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adjl posted...

Perhaps you do deserve the benefit of the doubt. Very well:

Which positions do you find are not tolerated by the left to such an extent that you would call that entire half of the political spectrum "intolerant?" Bear in mind that disagreement is not intolerance.

While I'm perfectly willing to answer the question I think you need to reword it a bit better as I don't think I quite understand it.

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Unbridled9 posted...

While I'm perfectly willing to answer the question I think you need to reword it a bit better as I don't think I quite understand it.

better yet, go fuck yourself

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All the liberals: iTs BoTh SiDeS
Lol y'all are literally the same and meant for each other after all.

dedbus posted...

All the liberals: iTs BoTh SiDeS
Lol y'all are literally the same and meant for each other after all.

lol all the liberals are saying the exact same thing as I am

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Unbridled9 posted...

While I'm perfectly willing to answer the question I think you need to reword it a bit better as I don't think I quite understand it.

The problem (according to you): The left doesn't tolerate people with differing viewpoints
The question: Which viewpoints in particular do you find aren't tolerated by the left?

Simplified further: Examples pl0x.

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Njord posted...

You know, the one main thing that annoys me about liberals is ...

...conservatives.

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Unbridled9 posted...

An authoritarian would say that they decide. A liberal would say let the person doing the behavior and anyone effected by the behavior sort it out between them.

So... Pistols at High Noon?

Do you prefer the angry mob with torches system of justice we have now?

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SKARDAVNELNATE posted...

Do you preffer the agree mob with torches system of justice we have now?

you are so persecuted and oppressed

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I just don't think they agree with that system since it wasn't a very good one .

I'll get to this tomorrow. I literally fell asleep in a meeting twice just now.

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adjl posted...

The problem (according to you): The left doesn't tolerate people with differing viewpoints
The question: Which viewpoints in particular do you find aren't tolerated by the left?

Simplified further: Examples pl0x.

If you're talking a specific viewpoint on items held by the party at large then I would say none that come to mind. However when you get down to the individual groups and people and how they have chose the methods to enforce said ideologies the problem arises.

Let's take this very topic for instance. Blackscythe has accused me of being a bigot. I don't know why as at no point have I said anything in support of them. While I said I disagreed with the LGBT movement I also said I was fully in support of equality and whatnot and am a B who will likely transition if financial issues get resolved and my issues was with how the movement has gone about trying to implement it. Meanwhile Blackscythe said I am wholesale a bigot. Yet I am the one having to defend myself and not him.

When it comes to groups like BLM, I believe that what happened to George Floyd was horrible and that he was at least negligently manslaughtered and, even if he somehow wasn't, that doesn't excuse the massive amount of mistreatment that has happened to minority groups over the years that has come to light since. However they have also attempted to do things like reframe the narrative so that America was founded as effectively a slaveocracy is something I cannot accept and what the group has done, including violent riots that hurt innocents, is unacceptable in my eyes no matter the cause. Just because you are fighting for a good cause does not justify terrible actions in the name of said cause.

I oppose greedy corporations and wish to see the ones who gladly tread upon their employees for personal gain punished. I support a public option for government healthcare and am disgusted with the exorbitant costs forced onto the common man unable to pay. I don't believe illegal migrants are evil and should be deported necessarily and, instead, the issue is companies and people who gladly exploit their labor. I support addressing the many historic wrongs that have been done to LGBT, POC's, and women. How is any of that 'right-wing'?

The ONLY reason, and I mean ONLY, I voted for Trump was because my primary concern is with the CCP and with how they have violated effectively every single one of my principle by exploiting their populace for gain, engaged in ethnic cleansing and concentration camps, harvested political dissidents for organs, are actively trying to take land from other nations and trapping others in debt traps, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. I was convinced Biden would try to walk back relations with them to a more amicable and trade-focused situation and am very glad that hasn't happened yet. However I will not ever support any effort for close ties with the CCP so long as it remains effectively the closest thing to Nazi Germany in the present day. You want to 'oppose Nazi's? Why not oppose the people actually engaged in ethnic cleansing and nationalistic expansion with a merger of corporation and state?

That aside Trump is, unquestionably, a complete and total oaf who, at best, can be considered only slightly better than his political rivals because he is merely an oaf and that's being extremely generous. Hence why I found myself in a rather vicious hard place in having to decide between which of my principles mattered the most in 2020 and decided that opposing the regime of the CCP was the most important. Otherwise I find myself largely politically homeless with my goal and focus being on helping the poor and lower classes and opposing companies that treat their employees like machines to be replaced. Which, ultimately, is the core of my political identity.

I hope that explains my viewpoint well enough.

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Unbridled9 posted...

When it comes to groups like BLM, I believe that what happened to George Floyd was horrible and that he was at least negligently manslaughtered and, even if he somehow wasn't, that doesn't excuse the massive amount of mistreatment that has happened to minority groups over the years that has come to light since. However they have also attempted to do things like reframe the narrative so that America was founded as effectively a slaveocracy is something I cannot accept and what the group has done, including violent riots that hurt innocents, is unacceptable in my eyes no matter the cause.

I would agree with Blackscythe that you seem pretty bigoted

this is how most of them phrase it

the fact is that nearly all BLM demonstrations have been completely peaceful but because of just a few incidents where some opportunist rioters caused problems you act like it is wrong to support BLM or want systematic change

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Lol it always comes back to the China bogeyman. It's just virtue signaling from the right, we've had decades that we could have been interested in doing something about them, but people think they're woke on it because Trump said some performatively aggressive things about them. Except (like all presidents) the times that he didn't. Remember when he said that Xi's "president for life" was cool, or when he said Xi was doing a great job handling covid lol

Also a lot of the evil shit about China you can thank American/Western corporations for for wanting to find a place where they can abuse labor, and the subsequent trade turning them into an economic superpower

Unbridled9 posted...

Blackscythe has accused me of being a bigot.

At no point did I say that. I said you were defending bigotry because you were. I think there are a lot of sick people who believe bigotry does not exist and you may not be capable of realizing what you're doing. I don't really have enough to go on to form an opinion on whether I believe you are or not.

Unbridled9 posted...

-snip-

I hope that explains my viewpoint well enough.

That's a reasonably comprehensive explanation of your viewpoints on many of the current political hot topics, but I'm afraid that wasn't what I was asking for. The premise of this topic - with which you agreed - is that the left is hypocritical because they preach tolerance of others while being aggressively intolerant of anyone with a differing viewpoint. I'm asking for examples of those differing viewpoints that the left is so intolerant of. If that intolerance is such a plague, it shouldn't be hard to find examples, but nobody ever seems to say anything other than a vague "right-wing views."

My impression is that that's because most of the views in question are things like "homosexuality is disgusting and we should go back to ostracizing the gays" and "black people deserve to be killed by police because they're all criminal scum," which people don't want to explicitly admit to because they know those aren't acceptable opinions in modern society. Given who's usually playing the victim card in this sort of context, I generally see little reason to question that assumption. You seem to be taking a much more rational approach to it, though, and generally seem to be avoiding the more despicable positions that have become aligned with the right (which is really a shame, because there's plenty of value in conservative philosophies and strategies, but the nature of political parties makes it difficult to vote for those without also making it illegal to be gay), so the fact that you still feel routinely attacked and shut down for your political views is likely to be more legitimate and reasonable. To that end, I would like to know more about your experiences that have made you feel that way.

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adjl posted...

That's a reasonably comprehensive explanation of your viewpoints on many of the current political hot topics, but I'm afraid that wasn't what I was asking for. The premise of this topic - with which you agreed - is that the left is hypocritical because they preach tolerance of others while being aggressively intolerant of anyone with a differing viewpoint. I'm asking for examples of those differing viewpoints that the left is so intolerant of. If that intolerance is such a plague, it shouldn't be hard to find examples, but nobody ever seems to say anything other than a vague "right-wing views."

My impression is that that's because most of the views in question are things like "homosexuality is disgusting and we should go back to ostracizing the gays" and "black people deserve to be killed by police because they're all criminal scum," which people don't want to explicitly admit to because they know those aren't acceptable opinions in modern society. Given who's usually playing the victim card in this sort of context, I generally see little reason to question that assumption. You seem to be taking a much more rational approach to it, though, and generally seem to be avoiding the more despicable positions that have become aligned with the right (which is really a shame, because there's plenty of value in conservative philosophies and strategies, but the nature of political parties makes it difficult to vote for those without also making it illegal to be gay), so the fact that you still feel routinely attacked and shut down for your political views is likely to be more legitimate and reasonable. To that end, I would like to know more about your experiences that have made you feel that way.

I want to answer this fully, especially on a level more than 'Critical Race Theory discriminates against White People', but currently have not one but three rush jobs from work that need my attention.

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I should just defer to adjl for serious conversations - I have a tendency to be an ass.

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ReturnOfFa posted...

I should just defer to adjl for serious conversations - I have a tendency to be an ass.

Adjl isn't enough of an ass

He needs hype men who throw poo at people

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Unbridled9 posted...

If you think I am a Trump supporter why don't you first try asking my position on things to find out if I really am or not first before you assume the worst?

It's Blackscythe0, he's about as regressive as it can get. The kind of person screaming about tolerance, but then screaming the next minute that anyone who voted Republican should be thrown into gulags. We have quite a few such "people" around here. You can safely ignore them.

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The_tall_midget posted...

It's Blackscythe0, he's about as regressive as it can get. The kind of person screaming about tolerance, but then screaming the next minute that anyone who voted Republican should be thrown into gulags. We have quite a few such "people" around here. You can safely ignore them.

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The_tall_midget posted...

It's Blackscythe0, he's about as regressive as it can get. The kind of person screaming about tolerance, but then screaming the next minute that anyone who voted Republican should be thrown into gulags. We have quite a few such "people" around here. You can safely ignore them.

That's the exact sort of person I frequently see among the left.

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I have never once seen Blackscythe talk about how people need to be more tolerant or anything obnoxious like that

yall just make shit up to justify your bullshit

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Mead posted...

I have never once seen Blackscythe talk about how people need to be more tolerant or anything obnoxious like that

yall just make shit up to justify your bullshit

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Unbridled9 posted...

That's the exact sort of person I frequently see among the left.

You must only see out of one eye

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