Current Events > An animal life is nowhere near the worth of a human

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lemondrop7 posted...

A soul is a soul no matter the host in a vacuum we are all equal in that sense. As humans weve been blessed with the ability of greater reason and the ability to enjoy music art dancing etc, we should enjoy our lives taking pleasure in those things while treating other humans and animals kindly.

Not every animate thing has a soul though. Spiders for example, don't.

Loop Hero taught me that.

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The point is animals are more valuable then the worst of humanity.

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ncsonic posted...

Depends which animal, for example a blue whale is probably worth countless human lives

But again, we don't get to choose which animal. Even if that was granted to us, and we chose the blue whale, we don't get to choose which human lives.

There is no specific life at stake here. Its human life in general. And we aren't characterized by serial rapists no more than we are characterized by skilled surgeons.

lemondrop7 posted...

A soul is a soul no matter the host in a vacuum we are all equal in that sense. As humans weve been blessed with the ability of greater reason and the ability to enjoy music art dancing etc, we should enjoy our lives taking pleasure in those things while treating other humans and animals kindly.

I'm about to say something so weirdly contradictory, but somehow its going to make sense. Objectively, we can't take the objective route here. Objectively, every living being is living, and therefore we are all equal in that are all alive.

Are you really going to protest someone swatting a fly? or killing a cockroach? Or lets make it something bigger, like a bear.

We are human beings, and we have constructed society to operate for human beings. The laws don't pertain to bears or any other animals. Our laws don't treat them equally, and objectively, it shouldn't. Humanity will always treat humans to a higher standard than any animal, because it makes sense.

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RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted...

The point is animals are more valuable then the worst of humanity.

But that's not the measuring stick. You're choosing to measure it this way, and then framing it as if this is the topic at hand. Its not. Can we characterize humanity by serial rapists? No. We can't. Because there are far more people who don't rape than those who do.

We are talking about humanity. Not the worst of humanity. Not the best of humanity. But humanity. We aren't talking about his sister, or her father, or their daughter. We're talking about a human, and it doesn't matter which human, just as much as it doesn't matter which cow, deer, fox or house cat.

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It's pretty convenient that we get to make the call... and what do you know? We're the most important!

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iwasapoetonce posted...

Yes, but the quote isn't talking about a specific human or a specific animal. Its talking about humans in general and animals in general. It doesn't matter if that human being is a world renowned surgeon or a serial rapist. And it doesn't matter if its a random deer prancing around in the forest, or the family cat of 10 years.

Society doesn't operate on how you or I value things, because it can't. It operates on what humans collectively value in any given society. A firefighter doesn't get to choose to save a serial rapist or let him burn in a fire. His responsibility is to get him out of that fire. In that same way, we don't get to value humanity by any single person, but by it as a whole.

Ah, fair enough. From a societal perspective, and concerning humanity as a whole rather than as a sum of its parts humans are more valued (because were humans, duh). I didnt think this topic was that specific though. If it is, whats the point of posting it? A truth cant really be discussed unless people misinterpret it like I did.

I don't know, I've met some pretty worthless humans, and they weren't criminals either.

Case in point; Myself.

I wouldn't want somebody picking me over an animal in a life or death situation because I am objectively the worst choice.
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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

I wouldn't want somebody picking me over an animal in a life or death situation because I am objectively the worst choice.

I would pick your life over my dog's and I love her.

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Inferno Dive Dragoon posted...

I don't know, I've met some pretty worthless humans, and they weren't criminals either.

Case in point; Myself.

I wouldn't want somebody picking me over an animal in a life or death situation because I am objectively the worst choice.

Oh shut up Hot Topic

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Thats some real mild energy youre putting out there lol

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jon davis posted...

Oh shut up Hot Topic

That wasn't some edgy post, I've never had any worth as a person, to the extent I've been homeless for several years now because there's no fixing my situation and I'm better off being left in the gutter anyway.

I'd say more of what *should* happen to me, but I don't want my account being blocked again, because the mods have threatened that it will be permanent this time.
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iwasapoetonce posted...

But again, we don't get to choose which animal. Even if that was granted to us, and we chose the blue whale, we don't get to choose which human lives.

There is no specific life at stake here. Its human life in general. And we aren't characterized by serial rapists no more than we are characterized by skilled surgeons.

I'm about to say something so weirdly contradictory, but somehow its going to make sense. Objectively, we can't take the objective route here. Objectively, every living being is living, and therefore we are all equal in that are all alive.

Are you really going to protest someone swatting a fly? or killing a cockroach? Or lets make it something bigger, like a bear.

We are human beings, and we have constructed society to operate for human beings. The laws don't pertain to bears or any other animals. Our laws don't treat them equally, and objectively, it shouldn't. Humanity will always treat humans to a higher standard than any animal, because it makes sense.

i dont believe in dominion over anyone. If people want to swat a fly, hunt a deer, eat a burger, etc then go right ahead, youll hear no objection from me. Doesnt change my value system, I dont believe we should swat flies, hunt deer, or eat burgers for the reason, imo its the human boasting of a completely self inflated sense of superiority over other forms of life. Society is a completely made up human concept. The need to advance technologically is completely made up. If we didnt have music, art, dance, storytelling, etc we could all easily live as Buddhist monks, meditating, eating veggies, and just living in the world we have rather than trying to push for some idealized nonsense of the world humans deserve. That said, because we have creativity we should use it.

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*kicks dog* "lol its just a dog bro, you one of them losers that prioritize human life over animals? *kicks dog again*

^ you forgot the sarcasm tag you're gowan to gfaqs jail

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nfearurspecimn posted...

^ you forgot the sarcasm tag you're gowan to gfaqs jail

I need the break anyways. This place is bad for the mental

MildEnergy posted...

If the best you can do is use extreme outlier scum to argue against my point then well

Extremes are a valid form of argument.

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Trolling is literally not an offense on this site.

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Depends, how do humans taste?

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TC getting wrecked itt

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WashYourHands posted...

Depends, how do humans taste?

pork


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IHeartRadiation posted...

pork

One time I held a lit match into my skin to prove a point. That was dumb, but it smelled exactly like cooked pork.

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Its weird to hear about murders and rapists as "outliers ", as if they're not human, and honestly dont make up the majority of human history.

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Does anyone else get depressed because we're all going to die one day and all of this means nothing?

True

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trappedunderice posted...

Does anyone else get depressed because we're all going to die one day and all of this means nothing?

nope. escapism and


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iwasapoetonce posted...

The topic at hand is more complex than how you present it. I totally get and respect why some people go vegetarian or vegan even though I am not one.

Just keep in mind that general statements such as "An animal life is nowhere near the worth of a human" must always have some exceptions. If ever presented the choice between an entire zoo full of people, or even an entire jungle full of animals, and a single human who's done reprehensible things, then the choice is obvious.

The statement is geared towards generalities. As in, the zoo is on fire, and there is only enough resources to save a single person trapped in a building, or an exhibit full of monkeys. Who does society save? The identity of the person is unknown, and the only information given is that there is a person inside that can be saved.

paradoxically, its according to both no one, and the general way society is at large. No single authoritative person or organization has said straight out that the worth of humans is a lot more than the worth of animals. At least, not from my knowledge. However, the way we operate shows that we humans at least perceive it that way. Our laws protect humans to a far greater degree than animals. Saving a human life is perceived to be a much greater merit than saving an animals life.

Before anyone says "well, not me...", understand we are talking in generalities, and not exceptions.

Eh... something about this argument disturbs me. I haven't heard the argument that farming animals is equivalent to slavery. That's for another discussion. But lets pretend your argument is true. That humans, in fact, matter more than animals. Just because someone, something or some group matters more, doesn't give them the right to enslave others. So on the basis that we matter more, doesn't give us the right to make anyone our slaves.

Actually, because we matter more it gives us the responsibility to help animals. Indeed we are capable of doing so much more than them, and we have so much more power than they do. Our power and capabilities charge us to care for this planet and the living things in the planet far more than any other species.

I would 100 percent choose a jungle full of animals over 1 random person. Earth's ecosystem is more important than humans.

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TerrifyingRei posted...

disagree. human lives are just as worthless as animal lives

trappedunderice posted...

Does anyone else get depressed because we're all going to die one day and all of this means nothing?

Life is what you make of it. It isnt about the destination, its all about the journey

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I'd say pandas and elephants are worth more than rapists and killers.

We really better hope that aliens never come that have the same intelligence advantage over us that we hold over animals. If they wanted to treat us the way we treat animals, how could we even argue against that.

"You can use animals dumber than us specifically but also we are the cutoff for treating a life form well and you have to treat us well because"


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legendary_zell posted...

We really better hope that aliens never come that have the same intelligence advantage over us that we hold over animals. If they wanted to treat us the way we treat animals, how could we even argue against that.

"You can use animals dumber than us specifically but also we are the cutoff for treating a life form well and you have to treat us well because"

^


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Even if you don't value an animal's life as much as you do a human that doesn't mean you shouldn't value it at all.

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LincolnDuncan posted...

Its weird to hear about murders and rapists as "outliers ", as if they're not human, and honestly dont make up the majority of human history.

Because they 100% are outliers, and you're being either being naive or deliberately ignoring the point. How many murderers do you know in life? How many rapists? I guarantee you that if you know some, it's going to be about 1% of the total people you've come across in life, or even less than 1%.

Now the example I'm using of "You" is anecdotal. The fact still remains, murderers are not normal. Rapists are not normal. We have that throughout our history because it has occurred in our history, but it wasn't the norm then and it isn't the norm now.

And being an outlier doesn't make them less human. We assume that people aren't born with pink eyes because it doesn't happen often, if at all. The moment we find someone with natural pink eyes, we understand that they're an outlier to what is normal. It doesn't make them less human.


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iwasapoetonce posted...

but it wasn't the norm then and it isn't the norm now.

Nitpick: There are still a few tribes out there where the local economy war is literal war. Kill the shit out of neighboring tribes, and also steal their women. I imagine that the further back in time you go, the more places like this there were.

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

Nitpick: There are still a few tribes out there where the local economy war is literal war. Kill the shit out of neighboring tribes, and also steal their women. I imagine that the further back in time you go, the more places like this there were.

See this is where the conversation turns kind of racist.

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MildEnergy posted...

See this is where the conversation turns kind of racist.

Eh?

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Are you implying animals are more valuable than people in tribes and poverty?

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EnvoyOfTheLight posted...

Eh?

you are getting trolled. Tc trolls, thats his thing

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Hi rod

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TerrifyingRei posted...

disagree. human lives are just as worthless as animal lives

This, in the grand scheme of things.

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MildEnergy posted...

Are you implying animals are more valuable than people in tribes and poverty?

Nothing to do with my post. Saw a specific part of a statement that I don't feel is accurate, hence: netpick.

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My dog and my pet rock is better than OP

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RAAAWWWRRR posted...

My dog and my pet rock is better than OP

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