Current Events > Today's Nintendo direct really showed a big problem with modern Nintendo

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We didn't see a single mention of Donkey Kong, Kirby, FZero, Mother, Star Fox, Chibi Robo, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Game and Watch, Wario, Yoshi, etc. Hell, not even Pokemon

Nintendo has the biggest wealth of IPs of any game company out there, and all they have to show us is fucking Mario Golf and Skyward Sword HD? This is what's truly upsetting about Nintendo shutting down fan projects. They'll sit on IPs that people love for years, sometimes decades, doing nothing with them, but wont allow fans to enjoy them via their own creations. It's truly mind boggling

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They showed off a bunch of new ips, including a sequel to one of their more popular recent franchises.

People complain about Nintendo always being the same five properties, but when they release a whole bunch of new content under new IPs people keep asking where Mario is.

You'll get more of those games. In the meantime, maybe try that new tactics game ip, or look forward to that weird dodgeball game, or be happy that Splatoon is getting sequel.

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The New Tactics game is Square Enix and it is safe to assume it will also be on PC.

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s0nicfan posted...

You'll get more of those games. In the meantime, maybe try that new tactics game ip, or look forward to that weird dodgeball game, or be happy that Splatoon is getting sequel.

That new tactics game will be on PC in a year, and Splatoon has gotten 3 games in the last decade

It's been a decade since we've gotten a Metroid game that wasn't a remake or spinoff, and even longer for F Zero and Chibi Robo. People complain about Nintendo cranking out Mario and Pokemon every year, not IPs that are covered in cobwebs

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ssjevot posted...

The New Tactics game is Square Enix and it is safe to assume it will also be on PC.

one can only hope

It's like game development takes time or something.

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Uhh this has been Nintendo for the past 10 years now

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nintendo has felt really stagnant since the switch launch. that was so big and botw/odyssey had so much hype and were so refreshing, and since then they've kind of just been resting on their laurels

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KeeperOfShadows posted...

It's like game development takes time or something.

It's taken since Metroid Federation Force's trailer to bomb until now to not put out a mainline Metroid?

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Yea, where's Mario Kart 9?

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How is that any different to any other company who has been around for decades. Nintendo does more with their old franchises than most.

Vampire_Wreath posted...

It's taken since Metroid Federation Force's trailer to bomb until now to not put out a mainline Metroid?

They've put out a Metroid 2 Remake since then. Metroid Prime 4's development got rebooted two years ago.

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I mean, for Pokemon, they seem to be saving major announcements for that franchise in another kind of presentation entirely.

But I agree...was kinda hoping to see some Metroid news. A new F-Zero announcement would've been incredible but I didn't see that happening.
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What's the over/under that TC looked up a list of Nintendo-owned franchises to pad their post and couldn't remember at least a third of them anyway?

Like honestly, who's really pining for a new Game & Watch property?

We GOT a new Game & Watch last summer!

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Gwynevere posted...

We didn't see a single mention of Donkey Kong, Kirby, FZero, Mother, Star Fox, Chibi Robo, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Game and Watch, Wario, Yoshi, etc. Hell, not even Pokemon

Half of those series have been dead for more than a decade

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Vampire_Wreath posted...

It's taken since Metroid Federation Force's trailer to bomb until now to not put out a mainline Metroid?

Worse than that. Other M was the last mainline Metroid game to come out

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CyricZ posted...

What's the over/under that TC looked up a list of Nintendo-owned franchises to pad their post and couldn't remember at least a third of them anyway?

Like honestly, who's really pining for a new Game & Watch property?

We GOT a new Game & Watch last summer!

I don't honestly believe there are that many people out there wanting a new Chibi Robo. It's like being angry at Microsoft for not announcing a new Blinx game. People list a whole bunch of games that were never popular and then wonder why they aren't getting new releases every 3 years? What other company has fans like this?

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I've never even heard of Game & Watch or Chibi Robo

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Chibi robo would be cool but lol c'mon.

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Darmik posted...

What other company has fans like this?

Square-Enix.

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Gwynevere posted...

Game and Watch

Who tf wants this
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CyricZ posted...

Square-Enix.

I dunno if Square-Enix was Nintendo people would be whining that they haven't made a sequels for Pandemonium and Gex.

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Darmik posted...

I don't honestly believe there are that many people out there wanting a new Chibi Robo. It's like being angry at Microsoft for not announcing a new Blinx game. People list a whole bunch of games that were never popular and then wonder why they aren't getting new releases every 3 years? What other company has fans like this?

I think his point was that if they dont sell well, and the company doesnt give a fuck about the IP, then stop going after fan created content.

which is fair from every stance but the IP holders.

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CyricZ posted...

What's the over/under that TC looked up a list of Nintendo-owned franchises to pad their post and couldn't remember at least a third of them anyway?

Like honestly, who's really pining for a new Game & Watch property?

We GOT a new Game & Watch last summer!

I dont know where the animosity comes from. I played the shit out of all these franchises, and I loved the Game and Watch Gallery series growing up. Like, do you really consider any of these franchises so niche that I would need to look them up to pad out a list?

I don't expect shitposting out of you

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What I don't get is that the same company that released like half a dozen of the same 2D Mario game in like 6 years refuses to rehash a completely fresh concept like Odyssey a single time.

The mistakes go back about ten years, when they released nothing for a whole calendar year other than Skyward Sword. Nintendo should have taken all that Wii profit when the fad was clearly losing steam and started buying up more partner studios to reliably pump out their franchise games. Nobody knows where that money went.

If anything, all these posts focusing on Chibi Robo is proof TC is mostly on the mark. All these same fanboys arguing with the TC would have been getting hype and they know it, that's what makes me laugh the most.

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Zeeak4444 posted...

I think his point was that if they dont sell well, and the company doesnt give a fuck about the IP, then stop going after fan created content.

which is fair from every stance but the IP holders.

The far majority of fan content that gets taken down is based on popular franchises that are still being supported.

Gwynevere posted...

I dont know where the animosity comes from. I played the shit out of all these franchises, and I loved the Game and Watch Gallery series growing up. Like, do you really consider any of these franchises so niche that I would need to look them up to pad out a list?

I don't expect shitposting out of you

Okay but what else do you even want out of it other than more novelty Game and Watch stuff?

Turtlemayor333 posted...

If anything, all these posts focusing on Chibi Robo is proof TC is mostly on the mark. All these same fanboys arguing with the TC would have been getting hype and they know it, that's what makes me laugh the most.

Chibi Robo had a game on 3DS and nobody cared.

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Turtlemayor333 posted...

If anything, all these posts focusing on Chibi Robo is proof TC is mostly on the mark. All these same fanboys arguing with the TC would have been getting hype and they know it, that's what makes me laugh the most.

Dude it's so fucking bizarre lol. When I got Chibi Robo as a kid, I had no idea what to expect, and got one of the freshest experiences on the gamecube alongside Pikmin. The core gameplay of the original not being revisited a single time is borderline criminal

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Turtlemayor333 posted...

The mistakes go back about ten years, when they released nothing for a whole calendar year other than Skyward Sword. Nintendo should have taken all that Wii profit when the fad was clearly losing steam and started buying up more partner studios to reliably pump out their franchise games. Nobody knows where that money went.

Nintendo is the richest company in Japan, so the money went to their bank lol
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Darmik posted...

The far majority of fan content that gets taken down is based on popular franchises that are still being supported.

Chibi Robo had a game on 3DS and nobody cared.

It's a far stretch to claim that Metroid is still being supported. Metroid is in a coma, and only opens its eyes to show signs of life twice a decade at this point

Color me shocked that no one cared about Zip Lash, a side scrolling platformer that shares little but a name with the original

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Gwynevere posted...

Dude it's so fucking bizarre lol. When I got Chibi Robo as a kid, I had no idea what to expect, and got one of the freshest experiences on the gamecube alongside Pikmin. The core gameplay of the original not being revisited a single time is borderline criminal

The developer that made it is basically a support studio these days.

The game also sold miserably and still got a bunch of follow ups, a re-release, spin-offs and even an amiibo. How many games from 2005 that sold like dogshit (many of which are good) are even talked about at all today?

Gwynevere posted...

It's a far stretch to claim that Metroid is still being supported. Metroid is in a coma, and only opens its eyes to show signs of life twice a decade at this point

Color me shocked that no one cared about Zip Lash, a side scrolling platformer that shares little but a name with the original

It got a solid remake on 3DS a few years ago. Metroid Prime 4 was being worked on, the developer got fired and it went to Retro two years ago. Game had development issues. It happens. Halo hasn't had a new mainline game for 5 years and that's Xbox's biggest franchise.

But it's also not really all that popular of a franchise as much as some people on the internet seems to think it is. It's B-Level for Nintendo at best. The franchise as a whole has sold a notch above Jak and Daxter and that franchise is completely dead.

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nemu posted...

What I don't get is that the same company that released like half a dozen of the same 2D Mario game in like 6 years refuses to rehash a completely fresh concept like Odyssey a single time.

Uh, what? Do you know what Bowser's Fury is? It's literally Odyssey with 3D World physics.
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Dude can't believe I've been waiting since fucking 2002 to find out what happens next in the Metroid universe after Metroid Fusion

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Kuuko posted...

Dude can't believe I've been waiting since fucking 2002 to find out what happens next in the Metroid universe after Metroid Fusion

That absolutely blows my mind to think about. Every time I play Fusion again and it says Metroid 4 i die a little inside

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Also TC idk if you realize this but Yoshi got a game two years ago, Kirby got three games in the past three years (granted two of them are spinoffs) and even though Pokmon Snap wasn't in the direct, it's still in the pipeline. Those are by absolutely no means neglected IPs. Mother is dead and the creator doesn't want to make any more games. Game and Watch... lol

I am disappointed there wasn't any news about a new Wario game, whether it be Warioware or Wario Land.
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One_Day_Remains posted...

Also TC idk if you realize this but Yoshi got a game two years ago, Kirby got three games in the past three years (granted two of them are spinoffs) and even though Pokmon Snap wasn't in the direct, it's still in the pipeline. Those are by absolutely no means neglected IPs. Mother is dead and the creator doesn't want to make any more games. Game and Watch... lol

I am disappointed there wasn't any news about a new Wario game, whether it be Warioware or Wario Land.

I realize that, but it's kind of hard to get excited about Nintendo directs when most of the stuff announced can be played on other consoles or PC. (And yeah, Kirby Star Allies is the last Kirby game I've been interested in)

Nintendo franchises can only be played on their systems, so seeing stuff like plants vs zombies, outer wilds, etc in a direct makes for a snooze fest.

Hell, I'm not even married to the idea of getting new games. Having Kirby 64, Nightmare in Dreamland, F Zero GX, Star Fox 64, GBA Metroid games etc on Switch would be enough for me.

Nintendo has such a hard line stance against emulation but gives their fans little other choice for these old games

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Turtlemayor333 posted...

The mistakes go back about ten years, when they released nothing for a whole calendar year other than Skyward Sword. Nintendo should have taken all that Wii profit when the fad was clearly losing steam and started buying up more partner studios to reliably pump out their franchise games. Nobody knows where that money went.

We know there was supposed to be a Kid Icarus game on the Wii made by a third party. They cancelled it because they tried to age up Pit instead if using the Brawl design. Who knows how many more projects like that got canned for similarly dumb reasons, and then they obviously learned the wrong lesson and decided the answer was to keep things in-house with a sparse release schedule instead of risk doing something interesting with a bulkier schedule.

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TC is right. Nintendo is sitting on a gold mine of great IPs and does fuck all with many of them. Sad thing is some of these IPs, like F-Zero, still have interest. I think the Yakuza lead developer said he wouldnt mind working on another entry in the series but its up to Nintendo.

Its really sad that Sakurai gives more love to these characters and franchises than Nintendo themselves. We havent gotten a proper continuation of the Metroid storyline in almost 20 years, correct? The last Kid Icarus game was 8 years ago and before that came, the franchise was basically dead if I recall correctly.

New IPs are great but the old IPs shouldnt be neglected, either. The it didnt sell in the last isnt a valid excuse. Everything sells on the Switch so now is the perfect time to revive IPs. If Fire Emblem can become one of Nintendos bigger franchises, Im sure several of the dead IPs could as well. Many of those IPs were sent to die anyways. Nintendo was incompetent when it came to marketing for a long time. There are people who still think the Wii U is an add on to the Wii because Nintendo failed to convey what the system was supposed to be to the casual audience.

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Metroid is obviously the most unfortunate example, but Nintendo of Japan just does not care about the franchise. I wouldn't want any company to make a game they didn't want to make. Sakamoto really wanted to make Other M, but then we got what we got, and it absolutely bombed in Japan. Nintendo of Japan didn't have a unique idea from the franchise since Fusion and have been relying on Western developers to carry the series.

Scarecrow17 posted...

The it didnt sell in the last isnt a valid excuse.

So I don't know if you've ever heard of this thing called "business"...


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Scarecrow17 posted...

TC is right. Nintendo is sitting on a gold mine of great IPs and does fuck all with many of them. Sad thing is some of these IPs, like F-Zero, still have interest. I think the Yakuza lead developer said he wouldnt mind working on another entry in the series but its up to Nintendo.

Makes sense, wasn't F Zero GX sharing an engine with Super Monkey Ball, from the Yakuza lead developer?

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It's a valid excuse because if multiple games in a franchise are selling poorly, then it's too much of a risk to invest money and resources in another one when there's a strong chance it won't earn a profit

Fire Emblem was never straight up bombing like the Chibi Robo games were. It was simply getting to the point where if Awakening didn't perform well, the series was getting canned. And luckily it did and they knew where to go from there
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Gwynevere posted...

even longer for F Zero and Chibi Robo

I dont disagree with the premise of this topic but Chibi Robo Zip Lash came out in 2015

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One_Day_Remains posted...

It's a valid excuse because if multiple games in a franchise are selling poorly, then it's too much of a risk to invest money and resources in another one when there's a strong chance it won't earn a profit

Fire Emblem was never straight up bombing like the Chibi Robo games were. It was simply getting to the point where if Awakening didn't perform well, the series was getting canned. And luckily it did and they knew where to go from there

From a purely pragmatic standpoint, they should probably just sell IPs that aren't doing well, or at least license them out to third parties. Third parties would probably do better with them

Nintendo is just fucking weird about this stuff. Even Sega brought in fans to do their Sonic ports and Mania

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Gwynevere posted...

We didn't see a single mention of Donkey Kong, Kirby, FZero, Mother, Star Fox, Chibi Robo, Metroid, Kid Icarus, Game and Watch, Wario, Yoshi, etc. Hell, not even Pokemon

Nintendo has the biggest wealth of IPs of any game company out there, and all they have to show us is fucking Mario Golf and Skyward Sword HD? This is what's truly upsetting about Nintendo shutting down fan projects. They'll sit on IPs that people love for years, sometimes decades, doing nothing with them, but wont allow fans to enjoy them via their own creations. It's truly mind boggling

First of all, Mario Golf is awesome, so shit your mouth

Combativeness aside - I genuinely love Mario Golf, and I'm really looking forward to this new one. It's not a huge disappointment to everyone because you personally don't like Mario Golf, TC.

Secondly, this direct also had Zelda, Splatoon and Monster Hunter. While I agree that IPs like F-Zero, Metroid and Donkey Kong don't see as much screentime as other Nintendo IPs, it wasn't as huge of a waste as you seem to think.

Lastly, you're really stretching in your list of IPs. Game and Watch stuff has been relegated to Wario microgames for decades at best - and they dusted the IP off for a physical Super Mario Bros. collectible system just recently. Chibi Robo has like three games, and the only one that most fans seem to like was from Nintendo's least profitable era of gaming. I don't think it's even an in-house IP. The last time they announced a DK game, people were pissed it wasn't Metroid. There was no way, short of announcing a new game in every fan favorite franchise, that this direct (or any other) was going to meet fan expectations.

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Scarecrow17 posted...

TC is right. Nintendo is sitting on a gold mine of great IPs and does fuck all with many of them. Sad thing is some of these IPs, like F-Zero, still have interest. I think the Yakuza lead developer said he wouldnt mind working on another entry in the series but its up to Nintendo.

Its really sad that Sakurai gives more love to these characters and franchises than Nintendo themselves. We havent gotten a proper continuation of the Metroid storyline in almost 20 years, correct? The last Kid Icarus game was 8 years ago and before that came, the franchise was basically dead if I recall correctly.

New IPs are great but the old IPs shouldnt be neglected, either. The it didnt sell in the last isnt a valid excuse. Everything sells on the Switch so now is the perfect time to revive IPs. If Fire Emblem can become one of Nintendos bigger franchises, Im sure several of the dead IPs could as well. Many of those IPs were sent to die anyways. Nintendo was incompetent when it came to marketing for a long time. There are people who still think the Wii U is an add on to the Wii because Nintendo failed to convey what the system was supposed to be to the casual audience.

There's a difference between vocal people on the internet and actual demand. Look at Mirror's Edge.

The reality is F-Zero is dead because futuristic racers haven't been selling well for over a decade now. Linear arcade racers in general are a genre that is struggling. Just a few mainstays are left. Wipeout was much bigger for Playstation than F-Zero ever was for Nintendo and that is also dead.

Fire Emblem already proved itself on the 3DS and got a bigger focus in the future because of it. Before that Awakening was likely going to be the last Fire Emblem game in a while.

It's not so much that any game on the Switch sells gangbusters as much as Nintendo specifically choosing to make games that will sell well on the Switch. It's not like we've seen franchises go from niche to mainstream. Games went from successful to even more successful. I'm sure Nintendo have a lot of data that actually show what games people are interested in so they get the priority. They're not just blindly pumping out games that sell several million copies.

Sakurai can give these characters and games attention because he's not worrying about how they'd sell. It's the perfect place to celebrate them. It's not realistic to expect Nintendo to constantly make sequels to games that maybe once had a game that sold over a million copies over a decade ago. No company does this.

Gwynevere posted...

Nintendo is just fucking weird about this stuff. Even Sega brought in fans to do their Sonic ports and Mania

lol Sega has a shitload of dead franchises they do nothing with. Sonic Mania isn't even getting a follow up.

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Also I kinda find it funny that TC is dismissing Mario Golf when it literally hasn't had a console entry in 17 years
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Darmik posted...

The reality is F-Zero is dead because futuristic racers haven't been selling well for over a decade now. Linear arcade racers in general are a genre that is struggling.

The hilarious thing too is that people have tried! Quite a bit! Big companies and little companies. Nothing has caught on in that genre in a long while.

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One_Day_Remains posted...

Also I kinda find it funny that TC is dismissing Mario Golf when it literally hasn't had a console entry in 17 years

Despite how I came off in the OP, Mario Golf was one of the more interesting showings in this direct. I really enjoyed Mario Golf for N64 and Gamecube and might pick this one up

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