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Bio1590 02/16/21 2:34:04 PM #1:	https://kotaku.com/report-epic-games-is-behind-north-dakota-app-store-bil-1846278224/ Epic Games lobbyists drafted legislation that will be heard in North Dakota this week, attempting to bar app stores owned by the likes of Apple and Google from taking a cut of app sales, according to a report over the weekend by The New York Times. Senate Bill 2333, introduced to the North Dakota Senate last week, seeks to prevent big digital storefronts like Apples App Store and Google Play from forcing developers to distribute apps exclusively through their storefronts, or exclusively use their payment systems. It also seeks to prevent the companies behind these storefronts from punishing developers who choose other distribution or payment methods. Epic is currently involved in a legal battle about this issue, taking both Apple and Google to court after both storefronts banned Fortnite when Epic introduced its own payment method last August in protest against the App Stores 30% cut of sales. The Times writes that debate on the North Dakota bill began on Monday and will be voted on this week. The Times reports that North Dakota State Senator Kyle Davison was given the draft legislation by Lacee Bjork Anderson, a lobbyist with Odney Public Affairs in Bismarck. Ms. Anderson said in an interview that she had been hired by Epic Games, the maker of the popular game Fortnite. Anderson said she was also being paid by the Coalition for App Fairness, a nonprofit that includes Epic Games, alongside other companies such as Spotify, and that seeks fair treatment by these app stores and the platform owners who operate them. (Update, 2/16/21, 12:40pmThe Coalition for App Fairness shared the following statement from executive director Meghan DiMuzio: The North Dakota bill is supported by the Coalition for App Fairness as a whole. Epic Games is a member of CAF, as are more than 50 additional companies. This is a broadly supported bill. Lacee Anderson works for Epic, Match, and CAF.) Epic hired its first lobbyists in late January, drawing on people from both sides of the political aisle. While it might look self-serving for Epic to be behind the legislation, the US government has been looking into big tech monopolies for a while. The Times reports that several states are exploring bills similar to North Dakotas, or other measures that limit these companies power. While the bill, if it passes, would only apply to businesses operating in North Dakota, and only those that bring in over $10 million in revenue, it could change how Apple and its ilk do business. The Times writes that Apple has been pushing back against the legislation, and Apples chief privacy engineer, Erik Neuenschwander, testified that the bill threatens to destroy iPhone as you know it. People with whom The Times spoke are uncertain if the bill will pass. Even if you dont want to hand it to Epicand the company is certainly making it hard tothe issues the Fortnite case raises go beyond whether you can play a cartoon battle royale on your phone. (If youve lost track: no, you still cant.) The case, currently set to go to trial in May, could benefit smaller developers and be a blow to Apples dominance over mobile apps if it goes in Epics favor. The North Dakota legislation might be another tool in Epics toolkit, and yet another example of the company turning its desire to line its pockets into a moral crusade. But either way, its about more than just Fortnite. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:950704681] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>https://kotaku.com/report-epic-games-is-behind-north-dakota-app-store-bil-1846278224/ <quote>Epic Games lobbyists drafted legislation that will be heard in North Dakota this week, attempting to bar app stores owned by the likes of Apple and Google from taking a cut of app sales, according to a report over the weekend by The New York Times. Senate Bill 2333, introduced to the North Dakota Senate last week, seeks to prevent big digital storefronts like Apples App Store and Google Play from forcing developers to distribute apps exclusively through their storefronts, or exclusively use their payment systems. It also seeks to prevent the companies behind these storefronts from punishing developers who choose other distribution or payment methods. Epic is currently involved in a legal battle about this issue, taking both Apple and Google to court after both storefronts banned Fortnite when Epic introduced its own payment method last August in protest against the App Stores 30% cut of sales. The Times writes that debate on the North Dakota bill began on Monday and will be voted on this week. The Times reports that North Dakota State Senator Kyle Davison was given the draft legislation by Lacee Bjork Anderson, a lobbyist with Odney Public Affairs in Bismarck. Ms. Anderson said in an interview that she had been hired by Epic Games, the maker of the popular game Fortnite. Anderson said she was also being paid by the Coalition for App Fairness, a nonprofit that includes Epic Games, alongside other companies such as Spotify, and that seeks fair treatment by these app stores and the platform owners who operate them. (Update, 2/16/21, 12:40pmThe Coalition for App Fairness shared the following statement from executive director Meghan DiMuzio: The North Dakota bill is supported by the Coalition for App Fairness as a whole. Epic Games is a member of CAF, as are more than 50 additional companies. This is a broadly supported bill. Lacee Anderson works for Epic, Match, and CAF.) Epic hired its first lobbyists in late January, drawing on people from both sides of the political aisle. While it might look self-serving for Epic to be behind the legislation, the US government has been looking into big tech monopolies for a while. The Times reports that several states are exploring bills similar to North Dakotas, or other measures that limit these companies power. While the bill, if it passes, would only apply to businesses operating in North Dakota, and only those that bring in over $10 million in revenue, it could change how Apple and its ilk do business. The Times writes that Apple has been pushing back against the legislation, and Apples chief privacy engineer, Erik Neuenschwander, testified that the bill threatens to destroy iPhone as you know it. People with whom The Times spoke are uncertain if the bill will pass. Even if you dont want to hand it to Epicand the company is certainly making it hard tothe issues the Fortnite case raises go beyond whether you can play a cartoon battle royale on your phone. (If youve lost track: no, you still cant.) The case, currently set to go to trial in May, could benefit smaller developers and be a blow to Apples dominance over mobile apps if it goes in Epics favor. The North Dakota legislation might be another tool in Epics toolkit, and yet another example of the company turning its desire to line its pockets into a moral crusade. But either way, its about more than just Fortnite.</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Were_Wyrm 02/16/21 2:36:32 PM #2:	Fighting for the common man --- I was a God, Valeria. I found it...beneath me. - Dr. Doom https://imgur.com/FKDXbHs <cite>Were_Wyrm posted [p:950704766] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Fighting for the common man </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreepapult 02/16/21 2:37:32 PM #3:	Interesting --- Entropy happens <cite>Dreepapult posted [p:950704809] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Interesting </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/16/21 2:38:46 PM #4:	Were_Wyrm posted... Fighting for their own agenda, which may or may not benefit the common man --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950704856] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted...</cite> <quote> Fighting for their own agenda, which may or may not benefit the common man</quote></quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ultimate reaver 02/16/21 2:39:49 PM #5:	idc who is behind it, fucking with apple rules --- I pray god will curse the writer, as the writer has cursed the world with this beautiful, stupendous creation, terrible in its simplicity, irresistible in truth <cite>ultimate reaver posted [p:950704902] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>idc who is behind it, fucking with apple rules </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 02/16/21 2:39:59 PM #6:	There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:950704907] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 02/16/21 2:40:02 PM #7:	teep_ posted... Were_Wyrm posted... Fighting for their own agenda, which happens to benefit no one --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:950704910] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>teep_ posted... </cite> <quote>Were_Wyrm posted... Fighting for their own agenda, which happens to benefit no one</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/16/21 2:40:55 PM #8:	How does this benefit the common man? If apple and google arent getting a cut of app sales theyre just...gonna not sell those apps Epic is gonna have to make its own App Store now --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:950704929] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>How does this benefit the common man? If apple and google arent getting a cut of app sales theyre just...gonna not sell those apps Epic is gonna have to make its own App Store now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/16/21 2:43:37 PM #9:	Bio1590 posted... There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". Fair enough, I changed my post --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950705037] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted...</cite> <quote> There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote> Fair enough, I changed my post</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
pogo_rabid 02/16/21 2:45:13 PM #10:	Bio1590 posted... There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. --- Ryzen 3800x, 6900XT, 32 gig, 970pro, Asus Strix x570-E FC: SW-8431-3263-1243 <cite>pogo_rabid posted [p:950705103] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CARRRNE_ASADA 02/16/21 2:45:42 PM #11:	We can argue about if the % is high or low, but no fees at all is unfair. Kinda like selling consoles and not getting a cut from software sales. --- SEXY SEXY! <cite>CARRRNE_ASADA posted [p:950705119] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>We can argue about if the % is high or low, but no fees at all is unfair. Kinda like selling consoles and not getting a cut from software sales. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
NeonOctopus 02/16/21 2:45:51 PM #12:	Epic has really been such an asshole through this whole epic vs. apple lawsuit --- https://imgur.com/2aof3ao <cite>NeonOctopus posted [p:950705122] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Epic has really been such an asshole through this whole epic vs. apple lawsuit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hexenherz 02/16/21 2:47:05 PM #13:	fuck epic games --- FFXIV: Lucius Hexenseele (Brynhildr) \| RS3: UltimaSuende . 99 WC/Fish/Cook/Fletch/Div/Mining/Smithing/Thieving/Crafting/RC https://letterboxd.com/BMovieBro/ <cite>Hexenherz posted [p:950705170] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>fuck epic games </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 02/16/21 2:49:00 PM #14:	thronedfire2 posted... Epic is gonna have to make its own App Store now That is what they are arguing they should be able to do yes. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:950705253] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>thronedfire2 posted...</cite> <quote>Epic is gonna have to make its own App Store now </quote> That is what they are arguing they should be able to do yes.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Caroniver 02/16/21 2:51:47 PM #15:	Bio1590 posted... bar app stores owned by the likes of Apple and Google from taking a cut of app sales So instead of trying to reduce the 30% to idk 15% or 10% or something, they want to completely stop Google and Apple from monetizing at all? Here's what'll happen: The App Store will go from being profitable to making $0. The Play Store will go from making money to makin $0. Google and Apple will have no reason to run these stores if they don't make any money, so the stores disappear! Now there's no one place to go to get all of your favorite apps. Now every individual developer needs to distribute them on their own or wait for some other distribution platform which takes a cut. And if developers are forced to distribute their own stuff, they need to pay for servers, so suddenly apps get more expensive. --- Mixer of Mega Dash Juices, slayer of giant monsters. The elevation increases as the bullet is fired <cite>Caroniver posted [p:950705357] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>bar app stores owned by the likes of Apple and Google from taking a cut of app sales</quote>So instead of trying to reduce the 30% to idk 15% or 10% or something, they want to completely stop Google and Apple from monetizing at all? Here's what'll happen: The App Store will go from being profitable to making $0. The Play Store will go from making money to makin $0. Google and Apple will have no reason to run these stores if they don't make any money, so the stores disappear! Now there's no one place to go to get all of your favorite apps. Now every individual developer needs to distribute them on their own or wait for some other distribution platform which takes a cut. And if developers are forced to distribute their own stuff, they need to pay for servers, so suddenly apps get more expensive. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
thronedfire2 02/16/21 2:53:22 PM #16:	pogo_rabid posted... While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. you'll just have EAS exclusive mobile games now --- I could see you, but I couldn't hear you You were holding your hat in the breeze Turning away from me In this moment you were stolen... <cite>thronedfire2 posted [p:950705417] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists.</quote> you'll just have EAS exclusive mobile games now </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DarthAragorn 02/16/21 2:54:45 PM #17:	pogo_rabid posted... Bio1590 posted... There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. Lmaoooooooo Also they have yet to even attempt this with console manufacturers. Hmmmmmmmmmm <cite>DarthAragorn posted [p:950705471] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote> There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. </quote> Lmaoooooooo Also they have yet to even attempt this with console manufacturers. Hmmmmmmmmmm</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 02/16/21 2:55:04 PM #18:	pogo_rabid posted... While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. You mean publisher pockets. The only developers that get that money are ones that self-publish and you can count those on one hand. Don't fall for Timmy's nonsense. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUP7m-Qg8oA <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:950705485] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists.</quote>You mean publisher pockets. The only developers that get that money are ones that self-publish and you can count those on one hand. Don't fall for Timmy's nonsense. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/16/21 2:57:22 PM #19:	pogo_rabid posted... While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. You poor soul if you actually believe this. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:950705581] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists.</quote> You poor soul if you actually believe this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 02/16/21 3:23:19 PM #20:	Could you imagine phone app ecosystems being even more fragmented than game launchers are on PC lol --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:950706513] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Could you imagine phone app ecosystems being even more fragmented than game launchers are on PC lol</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DeadBankerDream 02/16/21 3:25:38 PM #21:	Why would Apple provide a storefront if they don't get a cut of what is being sold on it? --- "That thick shaft that causes women to shudder!" <cite>DeadBankerDream posted [p:950706593] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Why would Apple provide a storefront if they don't get a cut of what is being sold on it?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:26:02 PM #22:	Caroniver posted... Here's what'll happen: The App Store will go from being profitable to making $0. The Play Store will go from making money to makin $0. Google and Apple will have no reason to run these stores if they don't make any money, so the stores disappear! Now there's no one place to go to get all of your favorite apps. Now every individual developer needs to distribute them on their own or wait for some other distribution platform which takes a cut. And if developers are forced to distribute their own stuff, they need to pay for servers, so suddenly apps get more expensive. This, except we'll also get some absurd DRM shit that's essentially phone-Denuvo, alongside several dozen launchers. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950706611] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Caroniver posted... </cite> <quote>Here's what'll happen: The App Store will go from being profitable to making $0. The Play Store will go from making money to makin $0. Google and Apple will have no reason to run these stores if they don't make any money, so the stores disappear! Now there's no one place to go to get all of your favorite apps. Now every individual developer needs to distribute them on their own or wait for some other distribution platform which takes a cut. And if developers are forced to distribute their own stuff, they need to pay for servers, so suddenly apps get more expensive.</quote>This, except we'll also get some absurd DRM shit that's essentially phone-Denuvo, alongside several dozen launchers. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sauceje 02/16/21 3:28:43 PM #23:	Epic is rocking the boat very hard rn --- He was born in a coop, raised in a cage, children fear him, critics rage, He's half alive, he's half dead, folks just call him Buckethead <cite>sauceje posted [p:950706688] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Epic is rocking the boat very hard rn </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Proto_Spark 02/16/21 3:29:06 PM #24:	If Epic just makes their own app store, won't they not be able to take a percentage either? I don't get Epic's endgame here, banning sales on their storefront is hurting an Epic app store too. <cite>Proto_Spark posted [p:950706702] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>If Epic just makes their own app store, won't they not be able to take a percentage either? I don't get Epic's endgame here, banning sales on their storefront is hurting an Epic app store too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/21 3:29:11 PM #25:	DeadBankerDream posted... Why would Apple provide a storefront if they don't get a cut of what is being sold on it? Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950706704] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>DeadBankerDream posted... </cite> <quote>Why would Apple provide a storefront if they don't get a cut of what is being sold on it?</quote>Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
uwnim 02/16/21 3:29:46 PM #26:	What can North Dakota even do about this? Neither apple nor Google are based out of that state and states cant regulate international and interstate commerce --- I want a pet Lavos Spawn. [Order of the Cetaceans: Phocoena dioptrica] <cite>uwnim posted [p:950706730] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>What can North Dakota even do about this? Neither apple nor Google are based out of that state and states cant regulate international and interstate commerce </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/21 3:30:11 PM #27:	Proto_Spark posted... If Epic just makes their own app store, won't they not be able to take a percentage either? I don't get Epic's endgame here, banning sales on their storefront is hurting an Epic app store too. Epic is making money off IAPs these days I'm sure they're willing to sacrifice store front fees for it. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950706748] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Proto_Spark posted... </cite> <quote>If Epic just makes their own app store, won't they not be able to take a percentage either? I don't get Epic's endgame here, banning sales on their storefront is hurting an Epic app store too.</quote>Epic is making money off IAPs these days I'm sure they're willing to sacrifice store front fees for it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gunplagirl 02/16/21 3:32:11 PM #28:	Bio1590 posted... There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". This. It would just mean all the money goes to the devs which also means the app stores would be less inclined to allow sales in those areas because they'd get nothing. So basically... Vpn time? --- tfw no big tiddy goth vampire gf who lactates blood - viewmaster_pi <cite>gunplagirl posted [p:950706823] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote>This. It would just mean all the money goes to the devs which also means the app stores would be less inclined to allow sales in those areas because they'd get nothing. So basically... Vpn time? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:35:12 PM #29:	gunplagirl posted... So basically... Vpn time? More like rooting and piracy time. We're going to go back to entering CD keys all over again, alongside "internet connection required" for every-goddamn-thing. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950706939] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>gunplagirl posted... </cite> <quote>So basically... Vpn time?</quote>More like rooting and piracy time. We're going to go back to entering CD keys all over again, alongside "internet connection required" for every-goddamn-thing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Kaldrenthebold 02/16/21 3:36:42 PM #30:	pogo_rabid posted... While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists. Watch out for them wind turbines, they seem to be messing with your brain. --- http://i169.photobucket.com/albums/u223/chocolateFRESH/arts/kraid.png - Thanks GP cosmonaut! https://imgur.com/TuJWAR8 <cite>Kaldrenthebold posted [p:950706989] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>pogo_rabid posted... </cite> <quote>While the prices for the consumers would remain the same, the extra money would go right into developer pockets. Ideally this would push developers to less aggressively monetize their games. Probably wont happen, but the possibility exists.</quote> Watch out for them wind turbines, they seem to be messing with your brain. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:39:29 PM #31:	Tyranthraxus posted... Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit. You know what you're getting into when you buy an Apple product. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950707087] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit.</quote>You know what you're getting into when you buy an Apple product. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
teep_ 02/16/21 3:40:39 PM #32:	Maybe they're aiming high (0%) so that when they fall short it'll still be better than it currently is? --- teep dumb as f*** fr - BatmanVonDoom I'm gonna pound a 400 lb woman just to prove teep wrong - NigerianKnight <cite>teep_ posted [p:950707134] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Maybe they're aiming high (0%) so that when they fall short it'll still be better than it currently is? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:42:12 PM #33:	Tyranthraxus posted... Epic is making money off IAPs these days I'm sure they're willing to sacrifice store front fees for it. Yeah... I fail to see how fucktons of different storefronts/launchers is going to do a damn thing about f2p moneyholes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950707175] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Epic is making money off IAPs these days I'm sure they're willing to sacrifice store front fees for it.</quote>Yeah... I fail to see how fucktons of different storefronts/launchers is going to do a damn thing about f2p moneyholes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Smashingpmkns 02/16/21 3:42:43 PM #34:	Maybe these phone companies should move away from requiring someone to purchase from one dedicated app store and whichever one provides the better service wins or something. --- https://imgur.com/x04tPRZ https://imgur.com/t7T392I <cite>Smashingpmkns posted [p:950707196] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Maybe these phone companies should move away from requiring someone to purchase from one dedicated app store and whichever one provides the better service wins or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 02/16/21 3:43:02 PM #35:	Man I totally forget they got kicked off the app store. It has to have been close to a year by now, ouch --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:950707210] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Man I totally forget they got kicked off the app store. It has to have been close to a year by now, ouch </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:44:17 PM #36:	Just cut the "no, give me money" bullshit, and establish a Right to Sideload. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950707271] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Just cut the "no, give me money" bullshit, and establish a Right to Sideload. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 02/16/21 3:45:37 PM #37:	this is the second dumbest thing Ive read today, behind Australia wanting to include clean coal in some climate action whatever... america really needs to get educated. Why would apple allow someone to sell an app on their store if they arent getting a cut? At that point Epic is stealing server resources and bandwidth from Apple. --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:950707313] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>this is the second dumbest thing Ive read today, behind Australia wanting to include clean coal in some climate action whatever... america really needs to get educated. Why would apple allow someone to sell an app on their store if they arent getting a cut? At that point Epic is stealing server resources and bandwidth from Apple. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/21 3:49:10 PM #38:	Rika_Furude posted... this is the second dumbest thing Ive read today, behind Australia wanting to include clean coal in some climate action whatever... america really needs to get educated. Why would apple allow someone to sell an app on their store if they arent getting a cut? At that point Epic is stealing server resources and bandwidth from Apple. Windows for decades has let you buy applications from anywhere you wanted and never got a cut from any of it. There's a Windows store now but they do literally nothing to block software from other sources. Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950707452] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>this is the second dumbest thing Ive read today, behind Australia wanting to include clean coal in some climate action whatever... america really needs to get educated. Why would apple allow someone to sell an app on their store if they arent getting a cut? At that point Epic is stealing server resources and bandwidth from Apple.</quote>Windows for decades has let you buy applications from anywhere you wanted and never got a cut from any of it. There's a Windows store now but they do literally nothing to block software from other sources. Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:53:11 PM #39:	Tyranthraxus posted... Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones. There's no real "requirement" to go through Play Store on Droid. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950707618] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones.</quote>There's no real "requirement" to go through Play Store on Droid. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rika_Furude 02/16/21 3:54:13 PM #40:	Tyranthraxus posted... Windows for decades has let you buy applications from anywhere you wanted and never got a cut from any of it. There's a Windows store now but they do literally nothing to block software from other sources. Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones. microsoft doesnt allow apps to be sold cut-less on the windows store. Allowing side loading on iOS devices is a separate argument. And really, epic could just move to android since they allow side loading. This is a private business discussion that Epic is trying to bring to court for no legitimate reason. Just greed --- https://imgur.com/oQHLBrx https://imgur.com/ah5IE8D https://imgur.com/USV84z9 https://imgur.com/PSjlohO <cite>Rika_Furude posted [p:950707668] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted... </cite> <quote>Windows for decades has let you buy applications from anywhere you wanted and never got a cut from any of it. There's a Windows store now but they do literally nothing to block software from other sources. Don't see why things have to suddenly be different for phones.</quote>microsoft doesnt allow apps to be sold cut-less on the windows store. Allowing side loading on iOS devices is a separate argument. And really, epic could just move to android since they allow side loading. This is a private business discussion that Epic is trying to bring to court for no legitimate reason. Just greed </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bio1590 02/16/21 3:55:14 PM #41:	Tyranthraxus posted... Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit. I'm gonna be honest here: I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something. --- https://imgur.com/bbRWLI8 https://imgur.com/A0BErSV https://imgur.com/S1m3po4 https://imgur.com/7fCcfko <cite>Bio1590 posted [p:950707719] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tyranthraxus posted...</cite> <quote> Maybe they shouldn't. Maybe they should just let people install whatever fucking software they want instead of only apple approved shit. </quote> I'm gonna be honest here: I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 3:58:32 PM #42:	Bio1590 posted... I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az49aNuYeJs <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950707846] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something.</quote>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az49aNuYeJs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/16/21 4:00:12 PM #43:	Bio1590 posted... I'm gonna be honest here: I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something. It'll get installed anyway since that shit uses exploits that the store isn't immune to. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/wroba-mobile-trojan-ios-android Store approved apps have contained financial stealing shit, bitcoin miners, key loggers, etc because nobody cares they basically just approve everything on their store and only take it down when people complain. The only reason why Epic made them mad is because what they did was fucking with their own financials. They don't give a shit about you or the security of your devices. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950707909] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>I'm gonna be honest here: I take comfort in knowing someone can't install something on their iPhone that could potentially try and fuck with mine through email or text or something.</quote> It'll get installed anyway since that shit uses exploits that the store isn't immune to. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/wroba-mobile-trojan-ios-android Store approved apps have contained financial stealing shit, bitcoin miners, key loggers, etc because nobody cares they basically just approve everything on their store and only take it down when people complain. The only reason why Epic made them mad is because what they did was fucking with their own financials. They don't give a shit about you or the security of your devices. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CouldBeAnAlt 02/16/21 4:05:02 PM #44:	The "which billionaire should get my money" act --- Fithos lusec wecos vinosec <cite>CouldBeAnAlt posted [p:950708097] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>The "which billionaire should get my money" act </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ChocoboMog123 02/16/21 4:16:27 PM #45:	Rika_Furude posted... microsoft doesnt allow apps to be sold cut-less on the windows store. Allowing side loading on iOS devices is a separate argument. And really, epic could just move to android since they allow side loading. This is a private business discussion that Epic is trying to bring to court for no legitimate reason. Just greed Right. And Apple and Google should get a cut of the apps they sell on their stores, but also open their systems to outside apps. The Apple store should be a curated list of reputable apps that follow strict guidelines, a place you hope to trust. I don't see the argument for changing the monetization scheme, though. If anything, removing the cut from in-app purchases increases incentive for micro-transactions. --- "You're sorely underestimating the power of nostalgia goggles." - adjl http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20110218.gif <cite>ChocoboMog123 posted [p:950708469] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Rika_Furude posted... </cite> <quote>microsoft doesnt allow apps to be sold cut-less on the windows store. Allowing side loading on iOS devices is a separate argument. And really, epic could just move to android since they allow side loading. This is a private business discussion that Epic is trying to bring to court for no legitimate reason. Just greed</quote>Right. And Apple and Google should get a cut of the apps they sell on their stores, but also open their systems to outside apps. The Apple store should be a curated list of reputable apps that follow strict guidelines, a place you hope to trust. I don't see the argument for changing the monetization scheme, though. If anything, removing the cut from in-app purchases increases incentive for micro-transactions. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dark_SilverX 02/16/21 4:17:09 PM #46:	Nice. Epic getting dat revenge for the abuse caused by those two. --- Rather a Zoom Thanksgiving than an ICU Christmas. don't compare games to feces -- if you've an opinion worth mentioning, do so civilly <cite>Dark_SilverX posted [p:950708492] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Nice. Epic getting dat revenge for the abuse caused by those two. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 4:25:44 PM #47:	ChocoboMog123 posted... If anything, removing the cut from in-app purchases increases incentive for micro-transactions. I don't think it matters. There's incentive to do more when there's no salami-slicing upstream, but there's also an incentive to do more because there's salami-slicing upstream. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950708814] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>ChocoboMog123 posted... </cite> <quote>If anything, removing the cut from in-app purchases increases incentive for micro-transactions.</quote>I don't think it matters. There's incentive to do more when there's no salami-slicing upstream, but there's also an incentive to do more because there's salami-slicing upstream. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BigB0ss13 02/16/21 4:29:02 PM #48:	Bio1590 posted... There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man". less fees=better for customers right? maybe for epic games too since it would make people buy more but that's okay. everyone wins except huge corporations that shit money out of their ass. <cite>BigB0ss13 posted [p:950708944] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Bio1590 posted... </cite> <quote>There's really no evidence this would benefit the "common man".</quote> less fees=better for customers right? maybe for epic games too since it would make people buy more but that's okay. everyone wins except huge corporations that shit money out of their ass. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tmaster148 02/16/21 4:30:21 PM #49:	BigB0ss13 posted... less fees=better for customers right? maybe for epic games too since it would make people buy more but that's okay. everyone wins except huge corporations that shit money out of their ass. Because Epic isn't a huge corporation that would benefit from this. --- https://imgur.com/BBcZDLJ <cite>Tmaster148 posted [p:950708999] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>BigB0ss13 posted... </cite> <quote>less fees=better for customers right? maybe for epic games too since it would make people buy more but that's okay. everyone wins except huge corporations that shit money out of their ass.</quote> Because Epic isn't a huge corporation that would benefit from this. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/16/21 4:40:36 PM #50:	Tmaster148 posted... Because Epic isn't a huge corporation that would benefit from this. If Epic actually gave any shits about consumers, games would be $48 on EGS while publishers would get the same net revenue as any "30%" storefront. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:950709386] in Epic Games... [t:79298643]...</cite> <quote>Tmaster148 posted... </cite> <quote>Because Epic isn't a huge corporation that would benefit from this.</quote>If Epic actually gave any shits about consumers, games would be $48 on EGS while publishers would get the same net revenue as any "30%" storefront. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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