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Orchestrion 02/14/21 1:09:11 PM #54:	PoundGarden posted... Well that's simply not true lol. If I hear someone in my home and blow a hole in their chest before they can do wtfever they broke in for, I'd say that offers me a tremendous advantage over, say, a golf club. If I so much as hear a door being opened I can grab a gun and be ready for whatever, there's a firearm in almost every room in my house. Let me ask you this: if you were a thief would you rather break into the home of a gun enthusiast, or the home of a pacifist? Exactly. Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me. --- https://imgur.com/N8KckAr https://imgur.com/LfbgFCJ <cite>Orchestrion posted [p:950631036] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>Well that's simply not true lol. If I hear someone in my home and blow a hole in their chest before they can do wtfever they broke in for, I'd say that offers me a tremendous advantage over, say, a golf club. If I so much as hear a door being opened I can grab a gun and be ready for whatever, there's a firearm in almost every room in my house. Let me ask you this: if you were a thief would you rather break into the home of a gun enthusiast, or the home of a pacifist? Exactly.</quote> Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 1:11:15 PM #55:	Ruvan22 posted... Do you have a non hypothetical anecdotal source that "owning a gun decreases your risk of being robbed"? Because there's a lot more variables than just "did the robber know you had a gun" No, because that wasn't the focus of my comment and I feel like you know that. The point, which I feel you're conveniently ignoring, is owning a gun offers a tremendous advantage and absolutely decreases your odds of being hurt in a home invasion vs not having one. This is not hard. Here's the quote again, bolded for you. seankimberley42 posted... gun ownership has no relationship to whether you get robbed, the successfulness of the robbery or whether youll be injured in said robbery. Amazing how you missed that to focus on the one point which is arguable (simply owning a gun decreasing the odds of being robbed). --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950631096] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>Do you have a non hypothetical anecdotal source that "owning a gun decreases your risk of being robbed"? Because there's a lot more variables than just "did the robber know you had a gun"</quote> No, because that wasn't the focus of my comment and I feel like you know that. The point, which I feel you're conveniently ignoring, is owning a gun offers a tremendous advantage and absolutely decreases your odds of being hurt in a home invasion vs not having one. This is not hard. Here's the quote again, bolded for you. seankimberley42 posted... </cite> <quote>gun ownership has no relationship to whether you get robbed, the successfulness of the robbery or whether youll be injured in said robbery.</quote> Amazing how you missed that to focus on the one point which is arguable (simply owning a gun decreasing the odds of being robbed). </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SquirtleSkwad 02/14/21 1:11:18 PM #56:	Orchestrion posted... Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me. It's usually parental abuse. Typically from a step-father. --- "If you cannot explain it simply, you do not understand it well enough."-Albert Einstein <cite>SquirtleSkwad posted [p:950631099] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me.</quote>It's usually parental abuse. Typically from a step-father. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ScazarMeltex 02/14/21 1:13:08 PM #57:	Orchestrion posted... Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me. Like maybe if you lived in one of the worst neighborhoods of a huge city like Chicago, NY, or LA, or out in the middle of nowhere where police response time is basically "hope you are still alive in 45 minutes when we get there". Or you had a job that put you in an adversarial position against gangs, cartels, or other organized crime. Other than that, I can't really see a scenario where one would need a gun in every room of their house. --- "If you wish to converse with me define your terms" Voltaire <cite>ScazarMeltex posted [p:950631158] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me.</quote>Like maybe if you lived in one of the worst neighborhoods of a huge city like Chicago, NY, or LA, or out in the middle of nowhere where police response time is basically "hope you are still alive in 45 minutes when we get there". Or you had a job that put you in an adversarial position against gangs, cartels, or other organized crime. Other than that, I can't really see a scenario where one would need a gun in every room of their house. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 1:14:45 PM #58:	Orchestrion posted... Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me. Has nothing to do with trauma. I like guns, they're cool, and I like having them around. Handgun in the bedroom, shotgun in the living room, rifles on the wall of the great room, etc. As a fellow gun owner I'm sure you can appreciate that a firearm is completely useless if you cannot get to it. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950631215] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Orchestrion posted... </cite> <quote>Where do you live or what kind of trauma have you experienced that makes you believe having a firearm in every room of your house necessary to be safe? Im 100% pro-gun ownership, but this mindset has never made sense to me.</quote> Has nothing to do with trauma. I like guns, they're cool, and I like having them around. Handgun in the bedroom, shotgun in the living room, rifles on the wall of the great room, etc. As a fellow gun owner I'm sure you can appreciate that a firearm is completely useless if you cannot get to it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 1:19:42 PM #59:	ScazarMeltex posted... Like maybe if you lived in one of the worst neighborhoods of a huge city like Chicago, NY, or LA, or out in the middle of nowhere where police response time is basically "hope you are still alive in 45 minutes when we get there". Or you had a job that put you in an adversarial position against gangs, cartels, or other organized crime. Other than that, I can't really see a scenario where one would need a gun in every room of their house. And there it is. I have a 3k sqft house in the middle of nowhere. Muliple entry points, and while there is a police station next door, the nearest hospital is 20 miles away. If a gun can keep me and my family from being harmed and possibly dying in the half hour it would take to get to the ER, thats a wise investment imo. I also said nearly every room has a firearm, not all of them. To be fair, my house has 5 bedrooms, 1.5 kitchens, 2.5 bath and 3 living rooms lol. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950631370] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>ScazarMeltex posted... </cite> <quote>Like maybe if you lived in one of the worst neighborhoods of a huge city like Chicago, NY, or LA, or out in the middle of nowhere where police response time is basically "hope you are still alive in 45 minutes when we get there". Or you had a job that put you in an adversarial position against gangs, cartels, or other organized crime. Other than that, I can't really see a scenario where one would need a gun in every room of their house.</quote> And there it is. I have a 3k sqft house in the middle of nowhere. Muliple entry points, and while there is a police station next door, the nearest hospital is 20 miles away. If a gun can keep me and my family from being harmed and possibly dying in the half hour it would take to get to the ER, thats a wise investment imo. I also said nearly every room has a firearm, not all of them. To be fair, my house has 5 bedrooms, 1.5 kitchens, 2.5 bath and 3 living rooms lol. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Cowthief 02/14/21 1:20:05 PM #60:	Kid should be playing pokemon not with a gun --- There is no success like excess! he/him <cite>Cowthief posted [p:950631382] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Kid should be playing pokemon not with a gun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 02/14/21 1:24:55 PM #61:	SquirtleSkwad posted... "Khalil" What does this mean --- https://imgur.com/NvktIWl <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:950631542] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>SquirtleSkwad posted... </cite> <quote>"Khalil"</quote>What does this mean </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:27:14 PM #62:	Someone pissed in @seankimberley42 s cheerios today. Poor lil kids havin a tantrum. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950631631] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Someone pissed in @seankimberley42 s cheerios today. Poor lil kids havin a tantrum. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The-Apostle 02/14/21 1:32:51 PM #63:	Doom_Art posted... Sorry I think murder isn't acceptable ITP: Defending one's life/someone else's life is somehow murder. --- http://goo.gl/mnO36O #GoPackGo Not changing sig until NHL players are allowed to play in the Olympics. Started 2/22/2018 <cite>The-Apostle posted [p:950631777] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry I think murder isn't acceptable</quote>ITP: Defending one's life/someone else's life is somehow murder. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vicious_Dios 02/14/21 1:34:04 PM #64:	Skipping all of this bait, I'm just gonna go and say Fair, next. --- S / K / Y / N / E Twitch/YouTube/GT: *Adzeta* <cite>Vicious_Dios posted [p:950631822] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Skipping all of this bait, I'm just gonna go and say Fair, next. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
eston 02/14/21 1:41:09 PM #65:	Cowthief posted... Kid should be playing pokemon not with a gun Back in my day we played pokemon with guns --- http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i215/estonc/grizzly_bear_chairs_2.jpg https://imgur.com/8kjZU <cite>eston posted [p:950632037] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Cowthief posted... </cite> <quote>Kid should be playing pokemon not with a gun</quote>Back in my day we played pokemon with guns </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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CommonJoe 02/14/21 1:57:02 PM #67:	Conflict posted... You came at him first. Sounds to me like someone pissed in your cheerios too He came into the topic ranting about shit nobody said a word about. Hence, get a life. Which mind you, is quite tame in comparison to his little tantrum he had in response so dont both sides this shit. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950632511] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>You came at him first. Sounds to me like someone pissed in your cheerios too</quote> He came into the topic ranting about shit nobody said a word about. Hence, get a life. Which mind you, is quite tame in comparison to his little tantrum he had in response so dont both sides this shit. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 2:06:39 PM #68:	Doom_Art posted... Sorry I think murder isn't acceptable Neither do I, which is why I own firearms to defend myself from being murdered. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950632829] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>Sorry I think murder isn't acceptable</quote> Neither do I, which is why I own firearms to defend myself from being murdered. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AzurexNightmare 02/14/21 2:53:48 PM #69:	WashYourHands posted... What do you think should have happened to the robber who shot the elderly woman? None of your business. --- Latest Game Completed 100% Resident Evil VII <cite>AzurexNightmare posted [p:950634271] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>WashYourHands posted... </cite> <quote>What do you think should have happened to the robber who shot the elderly woman?</quote>None of your business. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
RiKuToTheMiGhtY 02/14/21 2:54:55 PM #70:	Imagine if this boy had studied the blade, he would have cut this home invader down or been shot. --- doa-plus.com - We Press Forward. . . By Pressing Back. <cite>RiKuToTheMiGhtY posted [p:950634312] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Imagine if this boy had studied the blade, he would have cut this home invader down or been shot. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dreepapult 02/14/21 3:02:56 PM #71:	Hope the people saying the both was in the wrong are trolling --- Entropy happens <cite>Dreepapult posted [p:950634565] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Hope the people saying the both was in the wrong are trolling </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
545x39 02/14/21 3:05:28 PM #72:	Fucking based, hoped the kid flossed on him. --- Freya weeps upon her golden throne. https://imgur.com/aXjQJkU <cite>545x39 posted [p:950634645] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Fucking based, hoped the kid flossed on him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ZMythos 02/14/21 3:07:37 PM #73:	darkprince45 posted... Murder is defined the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. this is not murder The kid thought about shooting the guy before he shot the guy. Ergo premeditated. --- Rainbow Dashing: "it's just star wars" AutumnEspirit: kissu <cite>ZMythos posted [p:950634713] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>darkprince45 posted... </cite> <quote>Murder is defined the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another. this is not murder</quote>The kid thought about shooting the guy before he shot the guy. Ergo premeditated. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkprince45 02/14/21 3:19:30 PM #74:	Thats not how that works. I know you tried really hard. --- https://imgur.com/NvktIWl <cite>darkprince45 posted [p:950635109] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Thats not how that works. I know you tried really hard. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WashYourHands 02/14/21 3:22:44 PM #75:	AzurexNightmare posted... None of your business. Well thats no fun --- 20 seconds is all it takes! <cite>WashYourHands posted [p:950635203] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>AzurexNightmare posted... </cite> <quote>None of your business.</quote>Well thats no fun </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/14/21 3:23:14 PM #76:	PoundGarden posted... No, because that wasn't the focus of my comment and I feel like you know that. The point, which I feel you're conveniently ignoring, is owning a gun offers a tremendous advantage and absolutely decreases your odds of being hurt in a home invasion vs not having one. This is not hard. Here's the quote again, bolded for you. Amazing how you missed that to focus on the one point which is arguable (simply owning a gun decreasing the odds of being robbed). I brought it up because you bolded it - are you no longer disputing it? What's really amazing in that you still use anecdotal hypothetical examples. Instead of attributing bias to me, why not show the proof of your claim? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:950635214] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>No, because that wasn't the focus of my comment and I feel like you know that. The point, which I feel you're conveniently ignoring, is owning a gun offers a tremendous advantage and absolutely decreases your odds of being hurt in a home invasion vs not having one. This is not hard. Here's the quote again, bolded for you. Amazing how you missed that to focus on the one point which is arguable (simply owning a gun decreasing the odds of being robbed).</quote>I brought it up because you bolded it - are you no longer disputing it? What's really amazing in that you still use anecdotal hypothetical examples. Instead of attributing bias to me, why not show the proof of your claim? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/14/21 3:28:36 PM #77:	Ruvan22 posted... I brought it up because you bolded it - are you no longer disputing it? What's really amazing in that you still use anecdotal hypothetical examples. Instead of attributing bias to me, why not show the proof of your claim? How exactly would you like it proven that having a firearm >>>>> not having one when faced with an intruder? Oh, I know: how about the very case we're talking about? That kids chances of being hurt by the intruder went to exactly zero after, you know, shooting him Holy shit lol --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950635395] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>I brought it up because you bolded it - are you no longer disputing it? What's really amazing in that you still use anecdotal hypothetical examples. Instead of attributing bias to me, why not show the proof of your claim?</quote> How exactly would you like it proven that having a firearm >>>>> not having one when faced with an intruder? Oh, I know: how about the very case we're talking about? That kids chances of being hurt by the intruder went to exactly zero after, you know, shooting him Holy shit lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pokesamus217 02/14/21 4:01:23 PM #78:	Doom_Art posted... I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks. So far nothing you've posted here shows that you have the mental capacity for either of those statements. --- Unlimited Blade Works. For whenever you need to kill a guy with an ego the size of Canada. <cite>Pokesamus217 posted [p:950636376] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks.</quote>So far nothing you've posted here shows that you have the mental capacity for either of those statements. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ruvan22 02/14/21 8:09:12 PM #79:	PoundGarden posted... How exactly would you like it proven that having a firearm >>>>> not having one when faced with an intruder? Oh, I know: how about the very case we're talking about? That kids chances of being hurt by the intruder went to exactly zero after, you know, shooting him Holy shit lol A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms. B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post) C) You really love appealing to emotion don't you? <cite>Ruvan22 posted [p:950644120] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted... </cite> <quote>How exactly would you like it proven that having a firearm >>>>> not having one when faced with an intruder? Oh, I know: how about the very case we're talking about? That kids chances of being hurt by the intruder went to exactly zero after, you know, shooting him Holy shit lol</quote>A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms. B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post) C) You really love appealing to emotion don't you? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CommonJoe 02/15/21 9:22:52 AM #80:	Ruvan22 posted... A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms. It also wouldnt have happened if the robber wasnt, you know, robbing the house. Youre being highly disingenous about what actually lead to a shooting in that scenario. Ruvan22 posted... B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post) The point is moot as it was always a bad argument. Guns arent there to make you safer, they're there to help you defend yourself. *Youre literally not safe if youre having you defend yourself in the first place regardless of what weapon or object you have.* But if someone comes at you with a gun and you have a knife, it doesnt take an academic study to understand the odds are evened out if you also have a gun. But the fact remains, if self defense is necessary, you are inherently unsafe, but that in turn does not diminish the need and/or want for a gun in such a situation. The right to self defend is a human right, and unless you can objectively suggest that no potential attacker will have a gun (ie, impossible, especially in the US even with draconian gun bans and seizures), you are infringing on an individuals right by denying them the most commonly used weapon of our day. --- I shouldnt be approaching 30 and preparing for life as a climate refugee. <cite>CommonJoe posted [p:950659311] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms.</quote> It also wouldnt have happened if the robber wasnt, you know, robbing the house. Youre being highly disingenous about what actually lead to a shooting in that scenario. Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post)</quote> The point is moot as it was always a bad argument. Guns arent there to make you safer, they're there to help you defend yourself. Youre literally not safe if youre having you defend yourself in the first place regardless of what weapon or object you have. But if someone comes at you with a gun and you have a knife, it doesnt take an academic study to understand the odds are evened out if you also have a gun. But the fact remains, if self defense is necessary, you are inherently unsafe, but that in turn does not diminish the need and/or want for a gun in such a situation. The right to self defend is a human right, and unless you can objectively suggest that no potential attacker will have a gun (ie, impossible, especially in the US even with draconian gun bans and seizures), you are infringing on an individuals right by denying them the most commonly used weapon of our day. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The_Korey 02/15/21 9:31:14 AM #81:	The boy's only krime is not shooting both suspects. --- https://imgur.com/PpxZDof \| https://imgur.com/xMGLcGE https://imgur.com/nsBw6Sy \| https://imgtc.com/i/sBYBaew.png <cite>The_Korey posted [p:950659489] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>The boy's only krime is not shooting both suspects. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
epik_fail1 02/15/21 9:35:33 AM #82:	I don't think the kid was in the wrong to defend his place, but I have issue people thinking killing people is ok. --- Dragaux for smash! <cite>epik_fail1 posted [p:950659567] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>I don't think the kid was in the wrong to defend his place, but I have issue people thinking killing people is ok.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
clyde_frog 02/15/21 9:44:59 AM #83:	Doom_Art posted... I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks. Yea and Im an astronaut. --- https://imgur.com/UFOAF http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m71fpsIYJA1qf1116o1_500.jpg ~Formerly known as BabeFAQs~ <cite>clyde_frog posted [p:950659784] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks.</quote> Yea and Im an astronaut. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tyranthraxus 02/15/21 10:05:29 AM #84:	LivingLegend posted... I live in Pennsylvania where we have the castle doctrine... If someone breaks into your house, you are 100% legally allowed to shoot and kill them. LOL @ people saying the kid should be arrested. Every state has the castle doctrine for homes. Some states extend castle doctrine to work places & vehicles. Stand your ground overrides castle doctrine as a more general law. Pretty sure pennsylvania is actually a SYG state. --- It says right here in Matthew 16:4 "Jesus doth not need a giant Mecha." https://imgur.com/dQgC4kv <cite>Tyranthraxus posted [p:950660221] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>LivingLegend posted... </cite> <quote>I live in Pennsylvania where we have the castle doctrine... If someone breaks into your house, you are 100% legally allowed to shoot and kill them. LOL @ people saying the kid should be arrested.</quote> Every state has the castle doctrine for homes. Some states extend castle doctrine to work places & vehicles. Stand your ground overrides castle doctrine as a more general law. Pretty sure pennsylvania is actually a SYG state. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PoundGarden 02/15/21 2:22:40 PM #85:	Ruvan22 posted... A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms. Oh ok, so you're allowed to infer things in hypothetical situations but others aren't, got it. Prove those robbers wouldn't have fired if they hadn't seen a gun. Works both ways, slick. Ruvan22 posted... B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post) Again, this very situation. Kid killed a robber, robber has zero chance of hurting kid. Deep, complex stuff i know. Ask a grown up or trusted friend to help walk you through it. Idk wtf kind of statistics or studies you want or need to prove that gun>>>>>no gun in a defense scenario. The slaughter of the Native Americans and the end of feudal era of Japan comes to mind. Those folks didn't fare so well in a gun vs no gun scenario. Ruvan22 posted... C) You really love appealing to emotion don't you? You clearly don't understand what this phrase means, because this isn't "appealing to emotion", champ. --- "You go. I'm just going to stare at the lake and think about how I almost just killed a baby." <cite>PoundGarden posted [p:950667696] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>A) There's cases of robbers seeing an owner with a gun and firing leading to injury/death that might not have happened if there hadn't been a gun in most rooms.</quote> Oh ok, so you're allowed to infer things in hypothetical situations but others aren't, got it. Prove those robbers wouldn't have fired if they hadn't seen a gun. Works both ways, slick. Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>B) I'd like you to prove it through statistics or even one study (like I asked in my first post)</quote> Again, this very situation. Kid killed a robber, robber has zero chance of hurting kid. Deep, complex stuff i know. Ask a grown up or trusted friend to help walk you through it. Idk wtf kind of statistics or studies you want or need to prove that gun>>>>>no gun in a defense scenario. The slaughter of the Native Americans and the end of feudal era of Japan comes to mind. Those folks didn't fare so well in a gun vs no gun scenario. Ruvan22 posted... </cite> <quote>C) You really love appealing to emotion don't you?</quote> You clearly don't understand what this phrase means, because this isn't "appealing to emotion", champ. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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PBusted 02/15/21 10:35:17 PM #87:	Conflict posted... I'm actually mind blown at how people ITT failed to pick up on that To be fair, Poe's law is strong on CE. <cite>PBusted posted [p:950683213] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>I'm actually mind blown at how people ITT failed to pick up on that</quote> To be fair, Poe's law is strong on CE. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
2Pacavelli 02/15/21 10:40:43 PM #88:	Wow my family lives around that area <cite>2Pacavelli posted [p:950683359] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Wow my family lives around that area </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 02/16/21 12:39:10 AM #89:	Conflict posted... I'm actually mind blown at how people ITT failed to pick up on that Especially considering I admitted it lol --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:950685927] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Conflict posted... </cite> <quote>I'm actually mind blown at how people ITT failed to pick up on that</quote>Especially considering I admitted it lol </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
StarSpangled 02/17/21 2:43:50 AM #90:	Brave boy. --- Make love, not war- too many people have forgotten this <cite>StarSpangled posted [p:950726646] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Brave boy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SpoiltTrouser 02/17/21 3:29:49 AM #91:	That kid is a real piece of work, he should've called the police. Dude could have been rehabilitated in prison. --- https://imgur.com/udfhqN6 ayy lmao <cite>SpoiltTrouser posted [p:950727202] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>That kid is a real piece of work, he should've called the police. Dude could have been rehabilitated in prison. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Bass_X0 02/17/21 3:34:51 AM #92:	Doom_Art posted... I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks. Someone is going to take that statement the wrong way. --- "Well, it's not a bad game. It's made by Capcom, so how could it?" ~ AVGN <cite>Bass_X0 posted [p:950727268] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>Doom_Art posted... </cite> <quote>I'm a cop, I think I know what murder is thanks.</quote> Someone is going to take that statement the wrong way. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
EntonKagutsuchi 02/17/21 4:40:06 AM #93:	PoundGarden posted... Has nothing to do with trauma. I like guns, they're cool, and I like having them around. Handgun in the bedroom, shotgun in the living room, rifles on the wall of the great room, etc. As a fellow gun owner I'm sure you can appreciate that a firearm is completely useless if you cannot get to it. Sickening. This is the opposite of a responsible gun owner. --- I NEEDUH TITAN TA CLOBBA DAT DERE MARLEY! TopKEKleon, I choose you! <cite>EntonKagutsuchi posted [p:950728033] in 12 year ol... [t:79294667]...</cite> <quote>PoundGarden posted...</cite> <quote>Has nothing to do with trauma. I like guns, they're cool, and I like having them around. Handgun in the bedroom, shotgun in the living room, rifles on the wall of the great room, etc. As a fellow gun owner I'm sure you can appreciate that a firearm is completely useless if you cannot get to it. </quote> Sickening. This is the opposite of a responsible gun owner.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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