Poll of the Day > is akatsuki the coolest faction in anime history??

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DMX99
02/10/21 1:58:42 PM
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Sarcasthma
02/10/21 2:00:45 PM
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Voted no since I have no idea what that is.

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Gaawa_chan
02/10/21 2:04:45 PM
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Nooooo... they started out interesting and rapidly devolved, imo.

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SpeedDemon20
02/10/21 2:05:11 PM
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Most of the members were cool. I really liked Deidara, Sasori, Hidan, Itachi, and Pain.

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MeteoricBurst
02/10/21 2:07:05 PM
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Both the Espada and Shichibukai are cooler so no. The problem with Akatsuki is that they were hard carried by Itachi and Pain in terms of coolness. If you look at Espada it wasn't just Grimmjow and Ulquiorra that looked cool. Nearly all had badass powers and forms. Starrk, Barragan etc. Warlords had Crocodile, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma etc. Those first 3 are the definition of style and coolness.

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DrYuya
02/10/21 2:15:18 PM
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Well, One Piece does almost everything that any other Shonen manga tried to do before and maybe since...and does it better.

Do yeah that includes the factions.

But also it includes power scaling and how the unique powers are used...story...characters...world building.

There's almost not a point to other Shonen manga if you already read One Piece.

Well...there is art. One piece isn't the absolute best at that for sure. So if arts what you care about most then yeah one piece may not be so great. But otherwise everything I said above stands.

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MeteoricBurst
02/10/21 2:26:32 PM
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Oda is an underrated artist. I heard lots of bad things about OP art before reading it and when I finally did I was like what were people talking about. I think they must be confusing him drawing ugly and wacky looking characters at times with being a bad artist. He draws amazing landscapes and scenery which is a lot more than you can say for Kubo. The current Wano arc art has been his best in the whole series and the anime is really showing it off.

I'd say Kubo is more elegant and minimalist. Both of them are better artists than Kishimoto. And Horikoshi for that matter. People always rave about MHA art but its often messy. Hori is a big fan of Kubo and tends to focus on huge character panels just like him. But he should have taken note from his idol on how to draw clean and sexy action sequences.

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agesboy
02/10/21 2:26:59 PM
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DrYuya posted...
Well, One Piece does almost everything that any other Shonen manga tried to do before and maybe since...and does it better.
why are one piece fans so singularly about one piece

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LinkPizza
02/10/21 2:28:12 PM
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agesboy posted...
why are one piece fans so singularly about one piece

I hear its good. If its as good as they say, then that would make sense...
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agesboy
02/10/21 2:29:56 PM
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i knew a guy in college that summarized the first dozen or so arcs over a 2 hour long meal when i was trying to study in the cafeteria

he just kept going and GOING

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LinkPizza
02/10/21 2:32:27 PM
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agesboy posted...
i knew a guy in college that summarized the first dozen or so arcs over a 2 hour long meal when i was trying to study in the cafeteria

he just kept going and GOING

Thats a little over the top. But I guess he really likes the anime/manga. But that seems like something he might do with other things he was passionate about...
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DMX99
02/10/21 2:49:15 PM
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i love all musou games, and i think pirate warriors is one of the better ones, but i really try to hype myself up for that game especially now that its 25 bucks on greenman gaming, but goddamn everyone is so fucking ugly. the only characters i think i would use is zorro and taishigi, and also luffy. everyone else look like CLOWNS. well im not a fan of the game, so i dont really know anyone, im sure if i watched the show, all these characters would be fun to play as. im thinking all these whack ass clowns that look ridiculous as hell are supposed to be super strong thats why people like them.
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ReggieTheReckless
02/10/21 2:54:31 PM
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agesboy posted...
why are one piece fans so singularly about one piece
because we've seen/read all the rest as well, and one piece does its genre better than any of the others
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Zeus
02/10/21 3:09:50 PM
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Not really, although Pain's iteration was pretty solid. At the same time, I can't think of another group to really put forward.

MeteoricBurst posted...
Both the Espada and Shichibukai are cooler so no.

The Espada were garbage and the Warlords barely count as a faction.

MeteoricBurst posted...
The problem with Akatsuki is that they were hard carried by Itachi and Pain in terms of coolness. If you look at Espada it wasn't just Grimmjow and Ulquiorra that looked cool. Nearly all had badass powers and forms. Starrk, Barragan etc. Warlords had Crocodile, Mihawk, Doflamingo, Kuma etc. Those first 3 are the definition of style and coolness.

As far as membership goes, I found the Akatsuki more impressive than the Espada or Warlords. First off, most of the Espada were forgettable. They had two members who were really big names, a few others who had neat designs. The problem with the Warlords was that they didn't really interact much amongst themselves (most of them didn't even bother showing up to the meeting where they were looking for a new member -- which brings up the other half of it, they don't even choose their own members). While they had cool designs and neat powers, it wasn't a cohesive group. And a few of them were kinda just... whatever. Kuma and Boa always felt out of place. Meanwhile you guys like Doffy who outshone the group. And that's not even getting into the roster change after the time-skip which didn't do the group many favors.

The Akatsuki were cohesive and traveled in pairs. The membership had cool designs and an array of powers, which were often complementary to their teammate (Hidan and Kakazu, for instance). And honestly, while you highlight Pain and Itachi, the guy I remember most from the group (besides pain) is Kisame. Kisame had the longest and best run out of anybody, even if his best fights involved him jobbing to the same guy.

The other thing about the Akatsuki is that, all things considered, they were a far more successful group than those others. The team was created to gather the tailed beasts, and they managed to get 7 of them while getting enough energy from the remaining 2 to fulfill their scheme... although the group had more or less collapsed by the end.

And, within the context of Naruto, the Akatsuki were the most notable group. Compare that to One Piece where the Warlords are small potatoes compared to the Emperors (who I wouldn't call a faction because they cooperated even less than the Warlords). And the Espada were one-upped by the group that followed them.

agesboy posted...
i knew a guy in college that summarized the first dozen or so arcs over a 2 hour long meal when i was trying to study in the cafeteria

he just kept going and GOING

Given how short some of the arcs were, he must have added some filler >_>


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MeteoricBurst
02/10/21 3:34:56 PM
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I'm agreeing with you Zeus but I think the topic is far more shallow than you making it out to be. TC is just going off looks and powers when talking about coolness. Well that's what I graded them on not their relative success or cohesion. It's hard to compete with Kubo on making cool looking characters. Though looks are subjective there's a certain stereotypical cool look and style he really nails. Ressureccion was another layer of cool to add on top their already cool base designs, and that's still not their individual powers yet. So it's like 3 layers of coolness for an Espada. Oda can come up with a lot of cool looks too as much as he does ugly shitty ones. If you did a spread of all 3 groups alongside each other and showed them to non anime fans I doubt the Akatsuki would win in popularity. I was gonna mention Kisame too but he's ugly lol. Though his power and attitude makes him cool. Some characters like him or Kenpachi don't need to be pretty.

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agesboy
02/10/21 3:45:59 PM
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nothing about one piece is visually appealing to me, it's a spectrum of "tolerable" to "disgusting"

in general, naruto designs looks alright and bleach designs look really good though

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Lil_Bit83
02/10/21 4:01:10 PM
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agesboy posted...
i knew a guy in college that summarized the first dozen or so arcs over a 2 hour long meal when i was trying to study in the cafeteria

he just kept going and GOING
Was he the energizer bunny?

agesboy posted...
why are one piece fans so singularly about one piece
I guess for them its the only one.

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Lil_Bit83
02/10/21 4:01:33 PM
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Anywho, I like the Akatsuki a lot. Some more then others.

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helIy
02/10/21 6:22:52 PM
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DrYuya posted...
Well, One Piece does almost everything that any other Shonen manga tried to do before and maybe since...and does it better.
it...most definitely, absolutely, does not.

in fact, it does them all worse.

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Metalsonic66
02/10/21 6:42:42 PM
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lol One Piece is great but the coolest faction is the Wild Geese

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Zedonra
02/10/21 6:50:08 PM
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For enemy factions, The Phantom Troupe/Spiders from HxH is probably my favorite, but Espadas/Akatsuki are pretty dope as well. Have barely seen One Piece or read it at all so can't say anything about that. And can't quite remember any others that are cool offhand.

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Mead
02/10/21 7:07:01 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Voted no since I have no idea what that is.


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GanonsSpirit
02/10/21 7:26:32 PM
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Sarcasthma posted...
Voted no since I have no idea what that is.

It's a faction in Naruto that teaches cats how to ski.
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LinkPizza
02/10/21 7:28:16 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
It's a faction in Naruto that teaches cats how to ski.

Well, that's a very needed faction. I guess knowing this, I should vote yes... Though, maybe we shouldn't teach them how to ski... That's another skill they could use to take over the world...
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Gobstoppers12
02/10/21 7:31:19 PM
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The akatsuki are really great, and their robes are iconic, but I dunno about the coolest faction ever.

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DANTE20XX
02/10/21 7:41:58 PM
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helIy posted...
it...most definitely, absolutely, does not.

in fact, it does them all worse.


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helIy
02/10/21 7:48:04 PM
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tf are you talking about

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Metalsonic66
02/10/21 7:49:49 PM
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He's saying that your opinions are shit

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helIy
02/10/21 7:55:13 PM
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it takes a while but everyone always ends up agreeing with with my truth

that being said, no, one piece has been considered garbage for many, many years now

i still read it but it's mostly out of obligation at this point


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Zeus
02/10/21 8:15:58 PM
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MeteoricBurst posted...
I'm agreeing with you Zeus but I think the topic is far more shallow than you making it out to be. TC is just going off looks and powers when talking about coolness. Well that's what I graded them on not their relative success or cohesion. It's hard to compete with Kubo on making cool looking characters. Though looks are subjective there's a certain stereotypical cool look and style he really nails. Ressureccion was another layer of cool to add on top their already cool base designs, and that's still not their individual powers yet. So it's like 3 layers of coolness for an Espada. Oda can come up with a lot of cool looks too as much as he does ugly shitty ones. If you did a spread of all 3 groups alongside each other and showed them to non anime fans I doubt the Akatsuki would win in popularity. I was gonna mention Kisame too but he's ugly lol. Though his power and attitude makes him cool. Some characters like him or Kenpachi don't need to be pretty.

Even with just looks and coolness, that kinda favors the Akatsuki though since they have a pretty neat team uniform then their individual designs on top of it (and some have multiple forms and transformations). Plus their powers are relatively diverse.

And appeal of Kisame and Kenpachi is badassery, not beauty pageants =p Them looking cool is more of a draw than them looking handsome. And most of the Espada aren't exactly handsome either. In fact, the cooler Espada are ugly by conventional standards.

As for man on the street interviews, I wouldn't expect the Espada to over well. Their normal outfits are kinda plain and their transformations aren't the kind of thing that most non-anime fans and non-gamers would go for.

helIy posted...
it...most definitely, absolutely, does not.

in fact, it does them all worse.

Two strong opinions, both equal in their almost-comical wrongness.

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Metalsonic66
02/10/21 8:23:47 PM
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helIy posted...
considered garbage for many, many years now


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Lil_Bit83
02/10/21 8:32:36 PM
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GanonsSpirit posted...
It's a faction in Naruto that teaches cats how to ski.



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YoukaiSlayer
02/10/21 8:50:39 PM
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I think I also have to go with phantom troupe from hxh if we are just talking about big shonen factions. I generally feel like standalone villains are better than factions though.

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Zareth
02/10/21 9:31:45 PM
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There was an Akatsuki guild on my WoW classic server, those guys sucked balls.

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Extreme_light
02/10/21 11:57:09 PM
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They were cool but I'd hardly consider them the coolest. Especially since I can't really remember like 4 of them.

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helIy
02/11/21 1:45:04 AM
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Zeus posted...
Two strong opinions, both equal in their almost-comical wrongness.
no, not at all

everything in one piece is bog standard trope cliches with a story that hasn't gone anywhere for over 1000 chapters, with the usual 30 plotlines that have gone nowhere, with just as many plotholes.

it's like reading negima, where there's only around 10 chapters of actual plot in the whole series.

and if we're talking cool anime shonen factions, then the akatsuki is pretty shit. the only members anyone really knows and remembers is goddamn itachi, pain, and tobi, maybe deidara.

that's it. everyone else was pointless and had no purpose but to be fodder for naruto and crew to beat up or power up.

maybe the espadas from bleach are better, but at the same time people only remember ulquiorra and grimmjow. maybe stark, and maybe harribel and that's only because of those tits. does anyone even remember who gantenbainne is? or rureaux? aaroniero?

and the warlords in one piece aren't shit. and what's the fuckin deal with kuma. he went from some real dude to being a fuckin robot or some shit like franky, he showed up all of like twice and that was it. there was this weird buildup for him and it went nowhere. yet another empty one piece plotline.

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Metalsonic66
02/11/21 1:57:39 AM
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helIy posted...
and the warlords in one piece aren't shit. and what's the fuckin deal with kuma. he went from some real dude to being a fuckin robot or some shit like franky, he showed up all of like twice and that was it. there was this weird buildup for him and it went nowhere. yet another empty one piece plotline.
Sounds like you've missed some details bro

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