Current Events > If Bioware goes back on their decision to change the ass camera angles in ME: LE

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i've yet to hear any kind of coherent or compelling argument as to why removing those shots is a bad thing. they were tasteless and did nothing but detract from the scenes they were in

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DrizztLink posted...

Complaining about Pinnacle Station? They flat out CAN'T add it, the code is gone.

not a heavy loss IMO

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Delirious_Beard posted...

i've yet to hear any kind of coherent or compelling argument as to why removing those shots is a bad thing. they were tasteless and did nothing but detract from the scenes they were in

cEnSoRsHiP

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I think you underestimated how time consuming it is to recreate something with lost source code.

Now, if it was something like Lair of the Shadow Broker lost I would be pissed, but Pinnacle Station sucked so I really could care less.

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Pinnacle Station is not worth the 6 months of development time it would require to get it in the trilogy. it came out like a year after release, was shit and it wasn't even developed by Bioware.

Barely anyone even cared about it when it came out.

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its a 10 second scene in a conversation that doesn't call for the sexualization of the character.

I don't mind the change and will continue buying the game day 1 (no preordering) so long as there are no weird glitches (assassins creed ezio trilogy googly eyes, or weird FPS drops that weren't present in the original games)

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Limited Edition or Legendary Edition?

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YellowSUV posted...

I think you underestimated how time consuming it is to recreate something with lost source code.

The source code isn't lost.

Darmik posted...

Pinnacle Station is not worth the 6 months of development time

Lol I bet that's how long they're claiming it would take. Still love how you've taken your cope down from "It's impossible" to "it'd take work"

But your logic is terrible.

"It's a remaster so removing content is fine while making the original impossible to play is great for consumers." is an attitude that would get laughed out by every other industry on the planet

Remember when they removed the headphone jack for phones and claimed it didn't matter because headphone jacks suck right?

Yeah.

It's pretty pathetic honestly.

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It's one of those things that doesn't really matter either way, but the fact that they announced it is the dumb thing. They should have just taken it out without any fanfare if they wanted to take it out. One or two random Youtubers would've made a comparison video. It'd have gotten a shitty blog article or two, but that would have been the extent of it. Actively making a scene out of removing something, stupidly trivial or not, is a sore point for people.

untrustful posted...

Limited Edition or Legendary Edition?

Limited Content Edition

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nemu posted...

It's one of those things that doesn't really matter either way, but the fact that they announced it is the dumb thing. They should have just taken it out without any fanfare if they wanted to take it out. One or two random Youtubers would've made a comparison video. It'd have gotten a shitty blog article or two, but that would have been the extent of it. Actively making a scene out of removing something, stupidly trivial or not, is a sore point for people.

They wanted to stir up the controversy intentionally to

1. Get free advertising for the game
2. Make people stop talking about the removed content.

It's smart marketing and you can see from this topic alone how easy to manipulate their fanbase is.

Now you have people actively passionately arguing that removing content is really a good thing.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The source code isn't lost.

They quite literally said it was

oh its UR I got baited. Damn

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Whoa, I didn't know Pinnacle Station wasn't included. Not that it was amazing or anything -- it was only better than that other one where Batarians hijack a space satellite or something.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

The source code isn't lost.

Technically true, but it is functionally lost due to the corruption.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Still love how you've taken your cope down from "It's impossible" to "it'd take work"

You're doing that thing where you argue with several posters and think they're the same.

UnfairRepresent posted...

It's a remaster so removing content is fine while making the original impossible to play is great for consumers." is an attitude that would get laughed out by every other industry on the planet

The original isn't impossible to get and the original doesn't even include Pinnacle Station.

In fact I'm pretty sure you need to pirate Pinnacle Station to currently play it on PC. Nobody cares because it's crap. The same concept is even in the Citadel DLC anyway and is in the game with actual good combat.

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I want to cringe out of existence when I see sexy fan service in games. Everything should serve the plot or gameplay.

You want sex? Write in a romance. Add sex scenes. Make sex literally the entire point of the game.

That isn't a "sex-negative, puritanical" mindset. I wouldn't want a co-worker to point out their boner ar work. Doesn't mean I think they should purge their mind of sexual thought and stay a virgin.

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Shotgunnova posted...

Whoa, I didn't know Pinnacle Station wasn't included. Not that it was amazing or anything -- it was only better than that other one where Batarians hijack a space satellite or something.

That was Bring Down the Sky.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

They quite literally said it was

oh its UR I got baited. Damn

It's super fun when he responds to me like I'm going to read his post.

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DezDroppedFreak posted...

They quite literally said it was

Lol well if they said it then it must be true.

Just like when they said it wasn't lost but would cost money to put it on the PS3 years ago. Guess that was true too.

Darmik posted...

The original isn't impossible to get and the original doesn't even include Pinnacle Station.

In fact I'm pretty sure you need to pirate Pinnacle Station to currently play it on PC. Nobody cares because it's crap. The same concept is even in the Citadel DLC anyway and is in the game with actual good combat.

"It's okay to remove content because I don't like the content anyway. THat's good for consumers."

Yeah that's not how logic works. IF you don't like it, don't play it. Don't praise a company for actively making a product worse then refusing to release the original. That's just absolutely bootlicking pathetic.

Your defense of it is objectively ridiclous.


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Pinnacle Station literally isn't in most versions of the game and has been corrupted data for over a decade. It was poorly received half-assed bullshit from an external team. If they corrupted the entirety of Mass Effect 2 and made a trilogy that was missing the middle entry, then that would be a controversy.

If they remastered Oblivion and announced that the horse armor pack, which wasn't even in the PS3 version, was lost to time, would it be greed and laziness that the devs didn't take time to create new horse armor?

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It's not removed content when it's additional content that was farmed out to an external company which is why they spaghetti code of the thing. Games are not the same thing as movies and remasters often lose additional content and multiplayer modes. It should be obvious why Pinnacle Station isn't here.

This is like complaining that a new Blu-ray release doesn't have all of the DVD extras.

If people cared they wouldn't buy this re-release. I doubt most players even played Pinnacle Station so I doubt most people care.

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hockeybub89 posted...

Pinnacle Station literally isn't in most versions of the game and has been corrupted data for over a decade. It was poorly received half-assed bullshit from an external team. If they corrupted the entirety of Mass Effect 2 and made a trilogy that was missing the middle entry, then that would be a controversy.

"It's okay for companies to remove content from things, that's good for the consumer so long as I didn't care" is not consumer advocacy, it's egotism.

It's objectively an inferior game if it's missing content.

And going "Well they haven't been willing to put it in the game for over a decade!" isn't the defense you think it is, it's a condemnation.

They could have put the multiplayer and Pinnacle station in and they could have left the original direction or made it an option.

but that would cost money so they didn't because they don't care about you and this is a cash grab.

That's hyper capitalism and it's super weird and pathetic to defend it. "Yeah it's fucking great that they think of us like ants! Fuck us! We're worthless! LEt me roll over so they can step on the other side of my face!" is a weird BDSM style submission you see from gamers that does not exist in any other industry on the planet.

Movie, Music, Book, Painting, fans would look at this logic as lunacy. Yet here we are.

"Yeah they remastered Slippery When Wet but they changed some of the lyrics to make it more in line with the times, removed 4 songs and made it impossible to listen to the original on modern devices. But that's a really good thing we need to praise because I never liked Livin' On A Prayer anyway. I mean what's a remaster supposed to do? Not remove content? LOL!"

If they remastered Oblivion and announced that the horse armor pack, which wasn't even in the PS3 version, was lost to time, would it be greed and laziness that the devs didn't take time to create new horse armor?

Yeah that would also be a bad thing but you're being disengenious as fuck comparing actual gameplay/story content to cosmetics

A better example would be if they removed some of the different looking armor designs you could wear in ME1.


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We dont even need pinnacle station when ME3 has a much better battle arena/horde mode.

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spikethedevil posted...

We dont even need pinnacle station when ME3 has a much better battle arena/horde mode.

"We don't even need Grunt when Wrex was a much better character in a different game."

This is such a defeatist argument and a stupid one...

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Darmik posted...

It's not removed content when it's additional content that was farmed out to an external company which is why they spaghetti code of the thing. Games are not the same thing as movies and remasters often lose additional content and multiplayer modes. It should be obvious why Pinnacle Station isn't here.

This is like complaining that a new Blu-ray release doesn't have all of the DVD extras.

If people cared they wouldn't buy this re-release. I doubt most players even played Pinnacle Station so I doubt most people care.

Heck, even TV and movies have issues with stuff. I've heard people complain that so much of Doctor Who (the new and old version) is unavailable in HD. The issue is literally all Doctor Who episodes made before 2010 cannot be properly converted to HD with the expection of "Spearhead from Space" since all 4 episodes were filmed on 35mm film AND they still survive.

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A party member is not comparable to a late barebones DLC mode that nobody liked.

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Both Grunt and Wrex are awesome Pinnacle Station is just bad so imo no great loss and as you already been told its impossible for them to include it due to it being completely corrupt.

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Darmik posted...

A party member is not comparable to a late barebones DLC mode that nobody liked.

Lol yet 4 minutes ago you were comparing it to Horse Armor cosmetics from Oblivion.

For a start, I liked it. A lot. Stop using "everybody" and "nobody" to mean "me"

For a second, it does't matter. It's still removed content that was only not implimented as a cost cutting measure because they know gamers have been conditioned to accept anything and bootlick. That's objectively bad. Only in gaming would anyone even dream of defending that as a practice.

Yet here you are.

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spikethedevil posted...

and as you already been told its impossible for them to include

This is not true.

It would just cost them money so they don't bother.

You're literally lying to defend anti-consumerism hyper-capitalism low standards.... It's mindboggling.

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Again the data is corrupted they unfortunately cant include it as they would have to do it from the ground up. Most people didnt like it so they clearly decided that there wasnt much point in doing that.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

What are you talking about?

There was a mode that, from my understanding, essentially removed combat. Personally I found it pretty dumb.

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spikethedevil posted...

Again the data is corrupted they unfortunately cant include it.

*without spending a small amount of money

That's literally it.

You're literally lying to defend anti-consumerism hyper-capitalism low standards.... It's mindboggling.

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dave_is_slick posted...

There was a mode that, from my understanding, essentially removed combat. Personally I found it pretty dumb.

I think it just made it super easy.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Lol yet 4 minutes ago you were comparing it to Horse Armor cosmetics from Oblivion.

No I wasn't but that's still a valid comparison. You're whining that a re-release isn't including every single piece of base game content and all DLC regardless of the reason behind it.

UnfairRepresent posted...

For a second, it does't matter. It's still removed content that was only not implimented as a cost cutting measure because they know gamers have been conditioned to accept anything and bootlick. That's objectively bad. Only in gaming would anyone even dream of defending that as a practice.

Yet here you are.

Plenty of re-releases don't have every piece of content included. If I buy The Dark Knight on YouTube I don't get to have all of the news segments they filmed in the lead up to the movie and I don't get other bonus features that are on DVD.

Games are a whole different kettle of fish when it comes to content and remastering. It's not as easy as it is in other mediums. Removing content implies they had the content and are removing it. They are deciding that this piece of content isn't worth the effort. Which is understandable to most normal people.

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dave_is_slick posted...

There was a mode that, from my understanding, essentially removed combat. Personally I found it pretty dumb.

It didnt remove the combat at all and was 100% optional. @dave_is_slick

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Taking away Pinnacle Station

The code was lost, they didn't take it away.

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The Year of Our Jesus Twenty-Twenty One and people are still letting Unfair derail topics with his disingenuous trolling.

Just block the guy >_>

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I can't believe they are taking away the old textures and lighting. If they don't give you the choice to experience the original games in their entirety, then it's lazy corporate greed and anyone who buys the game is a anti-consumer bootlicker helping destroy the industry.

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Darmik posted...

No I wasn't but that's still a valid comparison.

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

"it's unfair to compare Story and gameplay content to story and gameplay cotent but it;s completely valid to compare story and gameplay content to minor cosmetic items."

Bioware could literally release a dead fish in a Pizza Box instead of the game and you would defend it.

Darmik posted...

Plenty of re-releases don't have every piece of content included. If I buy The Dark Knight on YouTube I don't get to have all of the news segments they filmed in the lead up to the movie and I don't get other bonus features that are on DVD.

This isn't bonus features, this is game content

The equivalent would be if you bought the Dark Knight on any modern device and 7 scenes from the movie were missing and some of the remaining scenes use different takes/camera angles.

Also it's impossible to watch the original unless you watch an old version on VHS.

That's the anti-consumer process you're passionately defending to the extent that you're literally happy to flat out lie over and over again just to keep bootlicking for.

It would be laughed out of any medium except gaming.

I'm going to be repeating that in pretty much every post because you don't seem to comprehend it.

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hockeybub89 posted...

I can't believe they are taking away the old textures and lighting. If they don't give you the choice to experience the original games in their entirety, then it's lazy corporate greed and anyone who buys the game is a anti-consumer bootlicker helping destroy the industry.

to be fair, the halo remaster let you do exactly this

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UnfairRepresent posted...

"it's unfair to compare Story and gameplay content to story and gameplay cotent but it;s completely valid to compare story and gameplay content to minor cosmetic items."

It's a minor battle arena DLC no one cares about other than weirdos.

UnfairRepresent posted...

The equivalent would be if you bought the Dark Knight on any modern device and 7 scenes from the movie were missing and some of the remaining scenes use different takes/camera angles.

Everything in the base game is still there so no it's not like that. Try again.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Also it's impossible to watch the original unless you watch an old version on VHS.

Nope. Still available on modern platforms.

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UnfairRepresent posted...

LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

"it's unfair to compare Story and gameplay content to story and gameplay cotent but it;s completely valid to compare story and gameplay content to minor cosmetic items."

Bioware could literally release a dead fish in a Pizza Box instead of the game and you would defend it.

This isn't bonus features, this is game content

The equivalent would be if you bought the Dark Knight on any modern device and 7 scenes from the movie were missing and some of the remaining scenes use different takes/camera angles.

Also it's impossible to watch the original unless you watch an old version on VHS.

That's the anti-consumer process you're passionately defending to the extent that you're literally happy to flat out lie over and over again just to keep bootlicking for.

It would be laughed out of any medium except gaming.

I'm going to be repeating that in pretty much every post because you don't seem to comprehend it.

And you cant comprehend that the code doesnt exist anymore.


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Frolex posted...

to be fair, the halo remaster let you do exactly this

I know

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DrizztLink posted...

Complaining about asses, ok whatever, that's stupid but everyone needs something.

Complaining about Pinnacle Station? They flat out CAN'T add it, the code is gone.

Plus it sucks.

Yeah, I was under the impression most people didn't like or care for Pinnacle Station so like who cares if it's not included

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Frolex posted...

to be fair, the halo remaster let you do exactly this

I remember doing that for the first one. Something about the updated textures just didn't feel right.

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spikethedevil posted...

And you cant comprehend that the code doesnt exist anymore.

lol because it's not true

I can comprehend Italy winning WW2, it just didn't occur.

Darmik posted...

It's a minor battle arena DLC no one cares about other than weirdos.

Lol

"I don't like it, therefore it's fine for content to be removed from products and anyone who disagrees is WEIRD!" ~ A weirdo

Try using that logic on any other medium. And see what happens.

"Yeah they remastered Slippery When Wet but they changed some of the lyrics to make it more in line with the times, removed 4 songs and made it impossible to listen to the original on modern devices. But that's a really good thing we need to praise because I never liked Livin' On A Prayer anyway. I mean what's a remaster supposed to do? Not remove content? LOL!"

Everything in the base game is still there so no it's not like that. Try again.

Not true. Multiplayer is missing and now several original cutscenes are missing.

For two, going "Well it's the base game." is still weak bootlicking for a remaster removing content. Even your lie is weak

Nope. Still available on modern platforms.

Except not.

Frolex posted...

to be fair, the halo remaster let you do exactly this

And if you buy Alien you get to choose what version you want to watch

Even Transformers 1980s let you choose what version and that was just one line and a narration at the start and end of the movie.

Because the movie industry couldn't get away with it. Only the games industry can

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spikethedevil posted...

And you cant comprehend that the code doesnt exist anymore.

"What do you mean this one irrelevant scene in the movie got lost? Well you better spend some money and recreate it in CGI, you fucking lazy bastards. Stop selling an incomplete remaster. The people demand a complete product!"

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UnfairRepresent posted...

Try using that logic on any other medium. And see what happens.

No other medium has to worry about source code and even then it can still happen.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Yeah they remastered Slippery When Wet but they changed some of the lyrics to make it more in line with the times, removed 4 songs and made it impossible to listen to the original on modern devices. But that's a really good thing we need to praise because I never liked Livin' On A Prayer anyway. I mean what's a remaster supposed to do? Not remove content? LOL!"

It would be comparable to a bonus track not being included.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Not true. Multiplayer is missing and now several original cutscenes are missing.

No cutscenes are missing. Multiplayer is missing for one game. Which is normal for a collection like this. Happened with Uncharted as well.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Except not.

Xbox One, Xbox Series and PC are all modern platforms.

UnfairRepresent posted...

Because the movie industry couldn't get away with it. Only the games industry can

Star Wars

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I never played Pinnacle Station, it looked pointless and boring to me.

But how do you just lose code like that?
None of the other stuff was affected

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