Board 8 > Do you have tom brady as the greatest qb ever?

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KazGT6 02/07/21 9:24:27 PM #1:	do you? yes in terms of play in their prime yes in terms of career accomplishments yes to both no to both don't care about american football do you? - Results (103 votes) yes in terms of play in their prime 0% (0 votes) 0 yes in terms of career accomplishments 32.04% (33 votes) 33 yes to both 39.81% (41 votes) 41 no to both 13.59% (14 votes) 14 don't care about american football 14.56% (15 votes) 15 which <cite>KazGT6 posted [p:950396559] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote> do you? yes in terms of play in their prime yes in terms of career accomplishments yes to both no to both don't care about american football Vote View Results do you? - Results (103 votes) yes in terms of play in their prime 0% (0 votes) 0 yes in terms of career accomplishments 32.04% (33 votes) 33 yes to both 39.81% (41 votes) 41 no to both 13.59% (14 votes) 14 don't care about american football 14.56% (15 votes) 15 Show Voting Form which </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ninkendo 02/07/21 9:27:11 PM #2:	If he wins today he will be the greatest player in the history of american team sports --- https://imgtc.com/i/iJnhdkc.gif https://imgtc.com/i/j45EVGx.png <cite>ninkendo posted [p:950396682] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>If he wins today he will be the greatest player in the history of american team sports </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SovietOmega 02/07/21 9:40:03 PM #3:	I know he is known to be a good footballer. I can conclude from context that he is a quarterback. But how is he when he is not quarterbacking? Can he sing? Does he play dnd? Is he pro or anti skub? These questions and more will determine if he is truly worthy of being called the greatest! --- There is no shame in not knowing; the shame lies in not finding out <cite>SovietOmega posted [p:950397298] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>I know he is known to be a good footballer. I can conclude from context that he is a quarterback. But how is he when he is not quarterbacking? Can he sing? Does he play dnd? Is he pro or anti skub? These questions and more will determine if he is truly worthy of being called the greatest! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/07/21 9:40:49 PM #4:	SovietOmega posted... I know he is known to be a good footballer. I can conclude from context that he is a quarterback. But how is he when he is not quarterbacking? Can he sing? Does he play dnd? Is he pro or anti skub? These questions and more will determine if he is truly worthy of being called the greatest! Brady is always quarterbacking --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:950397325] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>SovietOmega posted... </cite> <quote>I know he is known to be a good footballer. I can conclude from context that he is a quarterback. But how is he when he is not quarterbacking? Can he sing? Does he play dnd? Is he pro or anti skub? These questions and more will determine if he is truly worthy of being called the greatest!</quote> Brady is always quarterbacking </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SwiftyDC 02/07/21 9:42:49 PM #5:	It was debatable before the NE/ATL Super Bowl. --- dilateDChemist Last minute changes killed my bracket - still would've got destroyed by azuarc <cite>SwiftyDC posted [p:950397431] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>It was debatable before the NE/ATL Super Bowl. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
guffguy89 02/07/21 9:47:12 PM #6:	I think this is the year I will finally have to agree that he is the GOAT. It's just really difficult to argue against it at this point. --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. <cite>guffguy89 posted [p:950397619] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>I think this is the year I will finally have to agree that he is the GOAT. It's just really difficult to argue against it at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kevwaffles 02/07/21 9:59:24 PM #7:	Once upon a time I thought he was very good but overrated. Pretty sure he got way better even since then. --- "One toot on this whistle will take you to a far away land." -Toad, SMB3 <cite>kevwaffles posted [p:950398198] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Once upon a time I thought he was very good but overrated. Pretty sure he got way better even since then.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheRock1525 02/07/21 10:07:04 PM #8:	He's not the GOAT until he defeats Eli Manning. --- TheRock ~ I had a name, my father called me Blues. <cite>TheRock1525 posted [p:950398500] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>He's not the GOAT until he defeats Eli Manning. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 02/07/21 10:24:26 PM #9:	In terms of career accomplishments? Yeah. Nobody can really argue that. In terms of play? No. Not really. That's not to take anything away from him, though. But Super Bowls are a team effort. He's still one of the greatest QB's ever, but I wouldn't say he's the Best Ever. Most accomplished works, though. And that should be pretty satisfying for him. --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org <cite>Ashethan posted [p:950399307] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>In terms of career accomplishments? Yeah. Nobody can really argue that. In terms of play? No. Not really. That's not to take anything away from him, though. But Super Bowls are a team effort. He's still one of the greatest QB's ever, but I wouldn't say he's the Best Ever. Most accomplished works, though. And that should be pretty satisfying for him. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 02/07/21 10:31:25 PM #10:	Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:950399582] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 02/07/21 10:59:53 PM #11:	banananor posted... Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy Eh, he wasn't though. Some years, sure, but not every year. --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:950400593] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy</quote> Eh, he wasn't though. Some years, sure, but not every year. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 02/07/21 11:10:49 PM #12:	banananor posted... Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy That was only really true in 2007... when they lost! --- MZero, to the extreme I never saw azuarc coming, but he won the Guru! <cite>MZero posted [p:950400938] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>Statistically he's just the best, even if you factor in that he was always surrounded by the best squad money could buy</quote> That was only really true in 2007... when they lost! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KCF0107 02/07/21 11:11:59 PM #13:	Ashethan posted... In terms of career accomplishments? Yeah. Nobody can really argue that. In terms of play? No. Not really. That's not to take anything away from him, though. But Super Bowls are a team effort. He's still one of the greatest QB's ever, but I wouldn't say he's the Best Ever. Most accomplished works, though. And that should be pretty satisfying for him. This is pretty much my stance --- KCF can't actually be a real person but he is - greengravy If you smell what the rock is cooking he's cooking crap - ertyu <cite>KCF0107 posted [p:950400981] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Ashethan posted... </cite> <quote>In terms of career accomplishments? Yeah. Nobody can really argue that. In terms of play? No. Not really. That's not to take anything away from him, though. But Super Bowls are a team effort. He's still one of the greatest QB's ever, but I wouldn't say he's the Best Ever. Most accomplished works, though. And that should be pretty satisfying for him.</quote>This is pretty much my stance </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LeonhartFour 02/07/21 11:14:14 PM #14:	MZero posted... That was only really true in 2007... when they lost! It was also true in 2008 when he blew out his knee in the first game of the season! --- http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/080/145/638.png https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq <cite>LeonhartFour posted [p:950401060] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite> <quote>That was only really true in 2007... when they lost!</quote> It was also true in 2008 when he blew out his knee in the first game of the season! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ashethan 02/07/21 11:41:38 PM #15:	MZero posted... That was only really true in 2007... when they lost! Eli Manning. The true GOAT. He's just too nice to win more than 2 super bowls. Good guy Eli, letting other teams win so as not to clown on everyone else. Total stand up guy. --- Board 8 Mafia Archive: ashchive.altervista.org <cite>Ashethan posted [p:950401927] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite> <quote>That was only really true in 2007... when they lost!</quote> Eli Manning. The true GOAT. He's just too nice to win more than 2 super bowls. Good guy Eli, letting other teams win so as not to clown on everyone else. Total stand up guy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameStonk 02/08/21 12:06:51 AM #16:	Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator. <cite>GameStonk posted [p:950402527] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Seginustemple 02/08/21 12:46:41 AM #17:	GameStonk posted... Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Not even close. Quarterbacks are on the field about half the game and half of that they hand it off but America loves narratives about individual achievement. --- You bow to no one, azuarc <cite>Seginustemple posted [p:950403496] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>GameStonk posted...</cite> <quote>Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? </quote> Not even close. Quarterbacks are on the field about half the game and half of that they hand it off but America loves narratives about individual achievement.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/08/21 12:51:43 AM #18:	GameStonk posted... Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator. Rodgers would have gotten Belichick fired for drafting like shit and getting him 5'11 white guys off the street and spending 30% of the cap on special teams --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:950403605] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>GameStonk posted... </cite> <quote>Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator.</quote>Rodgers would have gotten Belichick fired for drafting like shit and getting him 5'11 white guys off the street and spending 30% of the cap on special teams </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 02/08/21 1:03:28 AM #19:	MZero posted... That was only really true in 2007... when they lost! sure, maybe he wasn't the best best quarterback in many particular years, but his consistency over time really speaks for itself full disclosure, i have a friend that has done serious statistical research/work on all QBs over time with intent to publish. correcting for stadium, offensive line, receivers, strength of opponents, and so on. he really wanted peyton manning to come out on top, but it's just not happening. if we were just looking at stats from 2010 and before, brady would've been 3rd or 4th best, but his consistency since then has launched him into first --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:950403868] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>MZero posted... </cite> <quote>That was only really true in 2007... when they lost!</quote>sure, maybe he wasn't the best best quarterback in many particular years, but his consistency over time really speaks for itself full disclosure, i have a friend that has done serious statistical research/work on all QBs over time with intent to publish. correcting for stadium, offensive line, receivers, strength of opponents, and so on. he really wanted peyton manning to come out on top, but it's just not happening. if we were just looking at stats from 2010 and before, brady would've been 3rd or 4th best, but his consistency since then has launched him into first </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 02/08/21 1:07:20 AM #20:	GameStonk posted... Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator. Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:950403972] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>GameStonk posted... </cite> <quote>Is there a major American sport where the team can have as much of an impact on an individual's legacy as football? Switch Brady and Rogers and I think it's Rogers with 7 rings and Brady with 1. And the statistical argument would be completely closed. Someone should run this in a simulator.</quote>Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
banananor 02/08/21 1:18:53 AM #21:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right. baseball is kind of great for statistics. there are so many solo or 1 on 1 scenarios. in football the team is always working together --- You did indeed stab me in the back. However, you are only level one, whilst I am level 50. That means I should remain uninjured. <cite>banananor posted [p:950404212] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right.</quote>baseball is kind of great for statistics. there are so many solo or 1 on 1 scenarios. in football the team is always working together </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
trizob 02/08/21 1:33:06 AM #22:	Mike Trout went to the playoffs once, and his team got swept in the first round. Overall would agree that baseball is much more team-dependent than football. Hard to argue against Brady having the greatest career, at least, by this point. --- Red Alert: A Path Beyond - The FPS based on C&C Red Alert Download and play for free at http://w3dhub.com/ <cite>trizob posted [p:950404473] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Mike Trout went to the playoffs once, and his team got swept in the first round. Overall would agree that baseball is much more team-dependent than football. Hard to argue against Brady having the greatest career, at least, by this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MZero 02/08/21 2:30:29 AM #23:	banananor posted... sure, maybe he wasn't the best best quarterback in many particular years, but his consistency over time really speaks for itself full disclosure, i have a friend that has done serious statistical research/work on all QBs over time with intent to publish. correcting for stadium, offensive line, receivers, strength of opponents, and so on. he really wanted peyton manning to come out on top, but it's just not happening. if we were just looking at stats from 2010 and before, brady would've been 3rd or 4th best, but his consistency since then has launched him into first I meant 2007 was the only year he had "the best squad money could buy" --- MZero, to the extreme I never saw azuarc coming, but he won the Guru! <cite>MZero posted [p:950405355] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>banananor posted... </cite> <quote>sure, maybe he wasn't the best best quarterback in many particular years, but his consistency over time really speaks for itself full disclosure, i have a friend that has done serious statistical research/work on all QBs over time with intent to publish. correcting for stadium, offensive line, receivers, strength of opponents, and so on. he really wanted peyton manning to come out on top, but it's just not happening. if we were just looking at stats from 2010 and before, brady would've been 3rd or 4th best, but his consistency since then has launched him into first</quote> I meant 2007 was the only year he had "the best squad money could buy" </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jukkie 02/08/21 3:20:07 AM #24:	I'm not sure how its even a debate at this point. He has taken trash teams, that have zero business winning any games, and won Super Bowls with them. Granted he has lost 3 SB's but in the 2 Giants games he left the field with a lead. People want to say Peyton for some reason and always point to Brady's def as to why he's not great, but Peyton got carried both years in the playoffs he won SB's. I don't have to debate the Bronco one, but go back and look at the Colt one. He was terrible in the game. He made 2 throws, one was a 50 yard pass to Harrison with no one within 15 yards of him, and the other was a swing pass to Addai that he took 80 yards. He played horrible in both games, and always get the benefit of the doubt, and for some reason Brady doesn't. I'll never understand it. Everyone is also ready to crown Mahomes as the next Brady, but the Chiefs are getting ready to be in cap hell. I'm not saying he can't do it, he is great but Brady is like nothing the sports world has ever seen. He is the ultimate game manager, which some people like to use as a knock on QB's, but he has an affect on the passing and running games with his reads. I know I am biased but I just don't even understand how its debatable at this point. I didn't think it was debatable before this game, and now even less so. IMO. --- * B8 LNC * *****es be crazy!! <cite>Jukkie posted [p:950406082] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure how its even a debate at this point. He has taken trash teams, that have zero business winning any games, and won Super Bowls with them. Granted he has lost 3 SB's but in the 2 Giants games he left the field with a lead. People want to say Peyton for some reason and always point to Brady's def as to why he's not great, but Peyton got carried both years in the playoffs he won SB's. I don't have to debate the Bronco one, but go back and look at the Colt one. He was terrible in the game. He made 2 throws, one was a 50 yard pass to Harrison with no one within 15 yards of him, and the other was a swing pass to Addai that he took 80 yards. He played horrible in both games, and always get the benefit of the doubt, and for some reason Brady doesn't. I'll never understand it. Everyone is also ready to crown Mahomes as the next Brady, but the Chiefs are getting ready to be in cap hell. I'm not saying he can't do it, he is great but Brady is like nothing the sports world has ever seen. He is the ultimate game manager, which some people like to use as a knock on QB's, but he has an affect on the passing and running games with his reads. I know I am biased but I just don't even understand how its debatable at this point. I didn't think it was debatable before this game, and now even less so. IMO. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/08/21 7:48:25 AM #25:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right. Baseball is weird because you can only have an offensive impact once every three innings or so, and you're going to have no offensive impact 2/3 of the time, to boot. Plus, you have no control over when you get to contribute. Can you imagine the 90s Bulls coming down for the last shot and they're like "sorry Jordan, it's not your turn, gotta let Bill Wennington take the last shot." --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:950408915] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right.</quote> Baseball is weird because you can only have an offensive impact once every three innings or so, and you're going to have no offensive impact 2/3 of the time, to boot. Plus, you have no control over when you get to contribute. Can you imagine the 90s Bulls coming down for the last shot and they're like "sorry Jordan, it's not your turn, gotta let Bill Wennington take the last shot." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Sorozone 02/08/21 8:03:55 AM #26:	Yeah baseball is unique. The stats can show you as the GOAT 10x over, but there is a lot of luck involved as well. So much so they even have stats for your luck! This is why W/L is a bad metric for pitchers in baseball, and why theoretically a player twice as good as Trout could be in the same position as Trout is now. Very few playoff appearances, no major wins. It's why I personally don't take too much stock in championships for team sports. Basketball, and I guess Hockey(granted I don't know too much about hockey, so feel free to correct me) is where the true greats can really take over and will a team to a win. Including championships. Even then I'm hesitant to use championships as an indicator as a great player in those sports too. --- https://m.twitch.tv/sorozone/profile <cite>Sorozone posted [p:950409144] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Yeah baseball is unique. The stats can show you as the GOAT 10x over, but there is a lot of luck involved as well. So much so they even have stats for your luck! This is why W/L is a bad metric for pitchers in baseball, and why theoretically a player twice as good as Trout could be in the same position as Trout is now. Very few playoff appearances, no major wins. It's why I personally don't take too much stock in championships for team sports. Basketball, and I guess Hockey(granted I don't know too much about hockey, so feel free to correct me) is where the true greats can really take over and will a team to a win. Including championships. Even then I'm hesitant to use championships as an indicator as a great player in those sports too. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
th3l3fty 02/08/21 8:20:19 AM #27:	Jukkie posted... I'm not sure how its even a debate at this point. He has taken trash teams, that have zero business winning any games, and won Super Bowls with them. I'm sorry what does the defensive side of the ball, the side that actually dragged those teams to titles, simply not exist? --- thelefty for analysis crew 2008 imo -transience I have a third degree burn in flame-o-nomics -Sir Chris <cite>th3l3fty posted [p:950409422] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Jukkie posted...</cite> <quote>I'm not sure how its even a debate at this point. He has taken trash teams, that have zero business winning any games, and won Super Bowls with them.</quote> I'm sorry what does the defensive side of the ball, the side that actually dragged those teams to titles, simply not exist?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameStonk 02/08/21 9:07:50 AM #28:	CaptainOfCrush posted... Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right. Exactly. Baseball is so easy to measure individual success. I don't think anyone would argue against Trout being the best player of the past 10 years even though his team won like one playoff game. <cite>GameStonk posted [p:950410326] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Baseball seems even more team-dependent (has Mike Trout even been to the playoffs?), but then again, no one seems to care about winning when discussing great baseball players, so you may be right.</quote>Exactly. Baseball is so easy to measure individual success. I don't think anyone would argue against Trout being the best player of the past 10 years even though his team won like one playoff game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameStonk 02/08/21 9:11:56 AM #29:	Anyway the point is that Brady is the goat simply by virtue of it being impossible to cross-compare QBs due to team dynamics. But football goat-ness is therefore the least impressive of our big 4. <cite>GameStonk posted [p:950410401] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Anyway the point is that Brady is the goat simply by virtue of it being impossible to cross-compare QBs due to team dynamics. But football goat-ness is therefore the least impressive of our big 4. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/08/21 11:04:18 AM #30:	th3l3fty posted... I'm sorry what does the defensive side of the ball, the side that actually dragged those teams to titles, simply not exist? the first 3 SBs were won with Bill Parcells' and Pete Carroll's defenses, he managed the games in those 3 2007 needs no explanation 2011 he dragged that sorry excuse of a defense to the SB and if not for Bernard Pollard destroying Gronk's ankle the Pats would have blown the Giants up 40-21 then he spent close to a decade dragging Matt Patricia's shitty bend and break defense to the playoffs --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:950413391] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>th3l3fty posted... </cite> <quote>I'm sorry what does the defensive side of the ball, the side that actually dragged those teams to titles, simply not exist?</quote>the first 3 SBs were won with Bill Parcells' and Pete Carroll's defenses, he managed the games in those 3 2007 needs no explanation 2011 he dragged that sorry excuse of a defense to the SB and if not for Bernard Pollard destroying Gronk's ankle the Pats would have blown the Giants up 40-21 then he spent close to a decade dragging Matt Patricia's shitty bend and break defense to the playoffs </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/08/21 11:08:25 AM #31:	Brady was very good in the Carolina Super Bowl. He wasn't just a game manager there. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:950413535] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Brady was very good in the Carolina Super Bowl. He wasn't just a game manager there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CaptainOfCrush 02/08/21 11:11:25 AM #32:	Also, I'm a Manning guy for life (I still think his comeback from near paralysis is one of the most impressive sports accomplishments of our generation), but at this point, it's impossible for me to deny Brady. His longevity and accomplishments are remarkably peerless. --- Yoblazer https://imgur.com/gByqgPg <cite>CaptainOfCrush posted [p:950413621] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Also, I'm a Manning guy for life (I still think his comeback from near paralysis is one of the most impressive sports accomplishments of our generation), but at this point, it's impossible for me to deny Brady. His longevity and accomplishments are remarkably peerless. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GranzonEx 02/08/21 11:13:18 AM #33:	Leonhart4 posted... Brady was very good in the Carolina Super Bowl. He wasn't just a game manager there. I feel it was far too close for comfort, he spent majority of the game trading TDs and the D really showed up for both teams needing a HOF kicker to win it for him --- 2 line break(s), 160 characters allowed <cite>GranzonEx posted [p:950413677] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>Brady was very good in the Carolina Super Bowl. He wasn't just a game manager there.</quote>I feel it was far too close for comfort, he spent majority of the game trading TDs and the D really showed up for both teams needing a HOF kicker to win it for him </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/08/21 11:26:13 AM #34:	GranzonEx posted... I feel it was far too close for comfort, he spent majority of the game trading TDs and the D really showed up for both teams needing a HOF kicker to win it for him Wasn't the final score 34-31? Trading TDs isn't his fault. He won a shootout game, and he deserves credit for that. CaptainOfCrush posted... Also, I'm a Manning guy for life (I still think his comeback from near paralysis is one of the most impressive sports accomplishments of our generation), but at this point, it's impossible for me to deny Brady. His longevity and accomplishments are remarkably peerless. As a Vols fan, Manning will always be my favorite player ever (I watched him literally from age 8 to age 30). Brady's excellence is just undeniable at this point. --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:950414101] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>GranzonEx posted... </cite> <quote>I feel it was far too close for comfort, he spent majority of the game trading TDs and the D really showed up for both teams needing a HOF kicker to win it for him</quote> Wasn't the final score 34-31? Trading TDs isn't his fault. He won a shootout game, and he deserves credit for that. CaptainOfCrush posted... </cite> <quote>Also, I'm a Manning guy for life (I still think his comeback from near paralysis is one of the most impressive sports accomplishments of our generation), but at this point, it's impossible for me to deny Brady. His longevity and accomplishments are remarkably peerless.</quote> As a Vols fan, Manning will always be my favorite player ever (I watched him literally from age 8 to age 30). Brady's excellence is just undeniable at this point. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ctesjbuvf 02/08/21 12:35:22 PM #35:	How can 14 people vote no to both. What's the case to be made againat his accomplishments at this point --- Guinness Book of World Records is the name of the diary that belongs to azuarc, the winner of the Game of the Decade II guru contest. <cite>ctesjbuvf posted [p:950416492] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>How can 14 people vote no to both. What's the case to be made againat his accomplishments at this point </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameStonk 02/08/21 12:37:39 PM #36:	ctesjbuvf posted... How can 14 people vote no to both. What's the case to be made againat his accomplishments at this point Half of his rings (or more) tainted by cheating allegations <cite>GameStonk posted [p:950416559] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>ctesjbuvf posted... </cite> <quote>How can 14 people vote no to both. What's the case to be made againat his accomplishments at this point</quote>Half of his rings (or more) tainted by cheating allegations </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ExThaNemesis 02/08/21 12:38:25 PM #37:	There is no longer any argument. If you disagree ur stupid --- "undertale hangs out with mido" - ZFS Smash Ultimate Switch Code: SW-6933-1523-8505 <cite>ExThaNemesis posted [p:950416587] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>There is no longer any argument. If you disagree ur stupid </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Leonhart4 02/08/21 12:42:26 PM #38:	GameStonk posted... Half of his rings (or more) tainted by cheating allegations In other words, the no votes are just bitter Jets fans --- https://imgur.com/WqDcNNq https://imgur.com/89Z5jrB <cite>Leonhart4 posted [p:950416715] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>GameStonk posted... </cite> <quote>Half of his rings (or more) tainted by cheating allegations</quote> In other words, the no votes are just bitter Jets fans </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
WiggumFan267 02/08/21 1:19:45 PM #39:	Football goat, probably Sports goat no way. Can't be the greatest when you don't have to play half of the game vs sports where athletes do play on both sides of the ball. No football goat will surpass a basketball or baseball goat, who excel at both offense and defense --- ~Wigs~ 3-Time Consecutive Fantasy B8 Baseball Champion 2015 NATIONAL LEAGUE CHAMPION NEW YORK METS <cite>WiggumFan267 posted [p:950417974] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Football goat, probably Sports goat no way. Can't be the greatest when you don't have to play half of the game vs sports where athletes do play on both sides of the ball. No football goat will surpass a basketball or baseball goat, who excel at both offense and defense </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
GameStonk 02/08/21 1:32:42 PM #40:	Leonhart4 posted... In other words, the no votes are just bitter Jets fans I accept this <cite>GameStonk posted [p:950418450] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>Leonhart4 posted... </cite> <quote>In other words, the no votes are just bitter Jets fans</quote>I accept this </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
guffguy89 02/08/21 2:41:53 PM #41:	You cant measure skill/talent/play objectively at all. Is he the best-skilled QB ever? Probably not. But who is? And how are you measuring it? By a season? By a game? By one play? Average perception of skill level throughout the career? If they can run and pass? Saying that he is not the GOAT because he isn't the most talented QB is ridiculous. The measure of such is so subjective and immeasurable that you pretty much are saying that no QB could ever be called the GOAT because this important aspect is unquantifiable. I mean, they've tried with the QBR, but many even consider that flawed. He's tops in championships and statistics. He is the objective GOAT. And this is coming from a Packer fan who will always hold Brett Favre as my personal GOAT. --- Don't mind me. I'm just here for the contest. <cite>guffguy89 posted [p:950420801] in Do you hav... [t:79283524]...</cite> <quote>You cant measure skill/talent/play objectively at all. Is he the best-skilled QB ever? Probably not. But who is? And how are you measuring it? By a season? By a game? By one play? Average perception of skill level throughout the career? If they can run and pass? Saying that he is not the GOAT because he isn't the most talented QB is ridiculous. The measure of such is so subjective and immeasurable that you pretty much are saying that no QB could ever be called the GOAT because this important aspect is unquantifiable. I mean, they've tried with the QBR, but many even consider that flawed. He's tops in championships and statistics. He is the objective GOAT. And this is coming from a Packer fan who will always hold Brett Favre as my personal GOAT. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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