Current Events > Is Tom Brady officially better than Michael Jordan at their respective sports?

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Well?

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No

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maybe Jordan, not Gretzky

No.

No

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An argument could be made I suppose, but Football is much more of a team sport.

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The NFL would love people to think this

But no

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Defense wins championships

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how could you compare

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MonkeyBones23 posted...

An argument could be made I suppose, but Football is much more of a team sport.

Pretty much this. Also, Brady only plays one side of the ball (offense), while Jordan played both and was one of the best defensive players of his era too.

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MonkeyBones23 posted...

An argument could be made I suppose, but Football is much more of a team sport.

Pretty much this.

AdrianBeterson posted...

Pretty much this. Also, Brady only plays one side of the ball (offense), while Jordan played both and was one of the best defensive players of his era too.

and he took 2 years off in the middle of his run and came back and won 3 more.

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lmao, no way

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I4NRulez posted...

and he took 2 years off in the middle of his run and came back and won 3 more.

He came back in 95 and got knocked out of the playoffs by Shaq and the Magic. People gloss over that though or use the "he was rusty" excuse.

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I4NRulez posted...

and he took 2 years off in the middle of his run and came back and won 3 more.

Brady was out for the 08 season. He had already had a HoF career before that and has had another since.

That said, it's impossible to objectively compare them.

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Legato-and-Vash posted...

He came back in 95 and got knocked out of the playoffs by Shaq and the Magic. People gloss over that though or use the "he was rusty" excuse.

Then they came back and swept the Magic the next year on the way to the 3-peat, literally made Shaq quit and switch conferences lmao. In 95, MJ had only been back for about a month before the playoffs started

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Brady is impressive as all fuck. He's had two or three HoF careers in one career. But it isn't the same. Jordan played both sides of the ball like an animal for a long period of dominance and was untouchable in a much less team-oriented sport.

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It's harder to win a Super Bowl than it is to win a superbowl than an NBA Championship.

Tom Brady himself literally has more rings than any NFL franchise

Tom Brady himself has more rings than any NFL player in history

If Tom Brady was a franchise, he'd be the greatest franchise of all time

No one or team has done what Brady has done, championship wise

There are players in the NBA with as many rings as Jordan(Kareem, Russell). There is no player or team that has had the success Tom Brady has had. Tom Brady will retire with most NFL passing records(TDS, Yards, Wins, Playoff wins by far etc).

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No. Brady has been incredibly successful but the actual value of Jordan on the Bulls was probably higher than Brady every single season except for Brady's 50 TD season.

Michael Jordan is like if Tom Brady had 45-50 TD seasons (With good efficency) every single season through his prime.

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My biggest issue with Brady and the Patriots is how they played in an absolute garbage division for 19 years. In 5 of those seasons, there wasnt even another team with a winning record in the AFC East. In 7 seasons, there were multiple teams with 10 or more losses in the division.

Im not saying Brady isnt the GOAT... I think he clearly is. But for a sport like pro football, where the strength of ones division can be such a barrier for making it to the playoffs, they really got the easy end of that deal. Wish they couldve had some more competition in-division along the way.

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Not comparable imo. Even comparing Olympic medal wins with athletes in different sports like Michael Phelps and Usain Bolt doesn't make sense to me either.

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The Popo posted...

My biggest issue with Brady and the Patriots is how they played in an absolute garbage division for 19 years. In 5 of those seasons, there wasnt even another team with a winning record in the AFC East. In 7 seasons, there were multiple teams with 10 or more losses in the division.

Im not saying Brady isnt the GOAT... I think he clearly is. But for a sport like pro football, where the strength of ones division can be such a barrier for making it to the playoffs, they really got the easy end of that deal. Wish they couldve had some more competition in-division along the way.

Tom Brady's record vs every division as of 2017

AFCS: 39-7 .848
AFCN: 31-7 .816
NFCS: 17-4 .810
NFCN: 16-4 .800
AFCE: 77-21 .786
NFCE: 14-6 .700
AFCW: 27-15 .643
NFCW: 9-5. .643

Yawn

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Tom Brady at age vs 37 vs his contemporaries entire careers. You can add 4 wins and a Super Bowl to the chart
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Legato-and-Vash posted...

He came back in 95 and got knocked out of the playoffs by Shaq and the Magic. People gloss over that though or use the "he was rusty" excuse.

Jordan being rusty is part of the issue, but people gloss over the Bulls lack of interior depth more than anything from the 94-95 season. They had nothing down low after Horace Grant left. Not necessarily for scoring, but for defense and rebounding.

On a per game basis, their top two rebounders were Scottie Pippen (8.1) and Michael Jordan (6.9). Will Perdue was 3rd (6.7). he was also the top scoring interior guy, and that was after Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Armstrong and Kerr.

The biggest factors to the Bulls sweeping the Magic the following year were Jordan being back 100%, the addition of Dennis Rodman for interior defense and rebounding, and Horace Grant getting injured early in that series. I still think the Bulls take Orlando in 5 or 6 with a healthy Grant, but that wasnt a minor loss for the Magic.

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solosnake posted...

Then they came back and swept the Magic the next year on the way to the 3-peat, literally made Shaq quit and switch conferences lmao. In 95, MJ had only been back for about a month before the playoffs started

After acquiring key pieces though. It wasn't like Jordan just flipped a switch and came back in destroyed (in fact, he played better in 95 than in 96). The loss of Grant was a huge factor of why the Bulls lost in 95. Acquiring Rodman was a huge gain. Doubt they would have had that 2nd 3peat without Rodman.

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The difference with Brady and Jordan is that Jordan was basically a one man team and would single handedly drive his team to victory.

Brady is good but is only as good as his offensive lineup allows him to be.

Mahomes was so fucking accurate he was literally hitting his own team on their helmets with the ball because they couldn't fucking catch shit.

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I been told Lebron is better than Jordan so shouldnt the debate be if Brady > Lebron

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Swagger_Dagger posted...

Tom Brady's record vs every division as of 2017

AFCS: 39-7 .848
AFCN: 31-7 .816
NFCS: 17-4 .810
NFCN: 16-4 .800
AFCE: 77-21 .786
NFCE: 14-6 .700
AFCW: 27-15 .643
NFCW: 9-5. .643

Yawn

I meant it as even having any competition to make it into the playoffs. Brady and the Pats were a great team. Im not denying that, and said as much in my post. But the Pats had a guaranteed playoff slot in most years based on how lousy their division was. That was my point.

It allowed them a yearly opportunity to rest key guys in games 15 & 16 regularly and prepare for the playoffs.

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I dunno why people always talk about how Jordan never lost the finals to credit his goatness but never use the fact that he got knocked out of playoff series before as a knock towards his goatness.

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The defense shut down the chiefs, plain and simple.

Brady got carried on alot of his wins this year based on the defense. He didnt play particularly well, the defense just destroyed the packers, the chiefs, etc.

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Too different between the two sports and their respective positions for them to be comparable. I personally would say Jordan is still more "better", since football is alot more reliant on team and defense. Tom Brady, as good as he is as a QB, isn't on the field playing half the time.

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Veggeta X posted...

I dunno why people always talk about how Jordan never lost the finals to credit his goatness but never use the fact that he got knocked out of playoff series before as a knock towards his goatness.

Yea it kills me when people discredit Lebron for losing in the finals. As if it's somehow worse to lose in the finals than it is getting bounced before making it to the finals.

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Another person trying to take away accolades from a black man to give to a white man. Shocker of shockers.

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SuperShake666 posted...

Another person trying to take away accolades from a black man to give to a white man. Shocker of shockers.

Found the buthole666 alt.

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People coping so hard in this topic lmao

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The Popo posted...

Jordan being rusty is part of the issue, but people gloss over the Bulls lack of interior depth more than anything from the 94-95 season. They had nothing down low after Horace Grant left. Not necessarily for scoring, but for defense and rebounding.

On a per game basis, their top two rebounders were Scottie Pippen (8.1) and Michael Jordan (6.9). Will Perdue was 3rd (6.7). he was also the top scoring interior guy, and that was after Jordan, Pippen, Kukoc, Armstrong and Kerr.

The biggest factors to the Bulls sweeping the Magic the following year were Jordan being back 100%, the addition of Dennis Rodman for interior defense and rebounding, and Horace Grant getting injured early in that series. I still think the Bulls take Orlando in 5 or 6 with a healthy Grant, but that wasnt a minor loss for the Magic.

Sounds like Jordan relied on his team as a crutch and without multiple HoF players around him couldn't do shit.

Jordan had a great team. I really don't like it when people try to discredit what kind of team he had to make Jordan look better. Same with Lebron.

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How does Rodgers only have 1 SB win. People used to talk about him the same way they talk about Mahomes now.

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IXI_Fission_IXI posted...

Sounds like Jordan relied on his team as a crutch and without multiple HoF players around him couldn't do shit.

Isn't the true for pretty much everyone? These are team sports lol. How dare a shooting guard rely on a center for rebounding

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Robert Horry has 7 rings.

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pogo_rabid posted...

People coping so hard in this topic lmao

I mean it really isn't a very good comparison. Two totally different games.

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cjsdowg posted...

Robert Horry has 7 rings.

Horry is just clutch making the big shots. If you're talking skill comparison he's no where near as good as the greats.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

How does Rodgers only have 1 SB win. People used to talk about him the same way they talk about Mahomes now.

Because football is a team game more than most other sports. For most of Rodgers tenure the Packers defense was hot garbage.

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EndOfDiscOne posted...

How does Rodgers only have 1 SB win. People used to talk about him the same way they talk about Mahomes now.

Because Rodgers has always gone for the big contract. Thats great for his bank account but since there is a salary cap it leaves less money to sign talented players at other positions. Brady on the other hand took less money then he could have got on purpose, that way there was money to sign better guys to the team. Winning was more important to Brady then the money. I mean he was still going to be a millionaire either way, but he would rather have a few Super Bowl rings instead of a few extra million bucks.

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Not really comparable. Both are team sports but in football you have to rely on your team a lot more than in basketball.

QB is the most important position on the field but they aren't on the field for half of the game. Even if we're talking about just football I wouldn't say any one player is the best player ever, I'd say they're the best at whatever position they played ever.

It's apples and oranges.

If we're talking about influence Brady is no where near Jordan. I doubt most people outside of the states even know who Tom Brady is. Jordan is the most famous athlete since Mohammed Ali.

But Tom Brady is undeniably the best quarterback ever

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Gamerguymass posted...

Because Rodgers has always gone for the big contract. Thats great for his bank account but since there is a salary cap it leaves less money to sign talented players at other positions. Brady on the other hand took less money then he could have got on purpose, that way there was money to sign better guys to the team. Winning was more important to Brady then the money. I mean he was still going to be a millionaire either way, but he would rather have a few Super Bowl rings instead of a few extra million bucks.

Tom Brady will be making bank on endorsement deals and apperances long after he's retired as well.

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Tom Brady has dominated the NFL for longer than Jordan dominated the NBA. I don't even like Brady but you can't dispute how insanely good his career has been.

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Michael Jordan being world famous really shouldn't be taken into consideration for GOAT status. He played right before the Internet took off and most people had to get their media consumption from only a few sources. I don't think we will ever see another athlete who plays a sport mostly only popular in America as world famous as Jordan.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Because Rodgers has always gone for the big contract. Thats great for his bank account but since there is a salary cap it leaves less money to sign talented players at other positions.

This, and Mahomes made the same mistake.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

I doubt most people outside of the states even know who Tom Brady is

Ichiro Suzuki didn't even know who Tom Brady was after he got a text from him a few years ago

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