Board 8 > Board 8 Ranks: The Marvel Cinematic Universe (PHASE 1)

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Gonna go out on a limb and guess Doctor Strange. I dont recall anyone raving about this when it came out so I could imagine apathy along with the aforementioned bottom placement knocking him out.
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SSBM_Guy posted...

Kinda odd that Ant-Man and the Wasp is below Ant-Man. I guess Ant-Man has the novelty, more Hank, and more Michael Pena. But Ant-Man and the Wasp always just felt way more fun, mainly because we already established all the characters now.

Novelty is important for a really light movie like Ant-Man for me. You may be surprised how high I actually have Ant-Man despite ranking the sequel pretty lowly.


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IMO the fights between Ghost and Ant-man due how their powers interact elevates the sequel. It's fun watching Ant-man fight people, since when they try to hit him, he disappears and does weird shit they aren't expecting. Ant-man fighting someone else that does weird shit that he doesn't expect takes it higher.

It really is a detriment by the time we get to Ant-man that the villain in the origin story always has the same power as the hero. The mirror match, like most times other times, isn't that exciting.

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I'm always shocked that there's people out there who actually like Ant Man 2. Iron Man 3 next?

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Iron-Man = Iron-Monger (Iron-Man, but Bigger)
Hulk = Abomination (Hulk, but Bigger)
Thor =/= Loki/Frost Giant Guy (Wily Trickster...and a Frost Giant Guy)
Cap = Red Skull (Same Superhuman Enhancement)
Guardians =/= Ronan (Really Powerful Dude with an Army)
Ant-Man = Yellowjacket (Ant-Man with Lasers)
Strange = Kaecilius (Doctor Strange with Years More Training)
Spider-Man =/= Vulture (Doesn't really have an origin story, so hard to say)
Panther = Killmonger (Black Panther, but More Merciless)
Marvel = Yon-Rogg (Captain Marvel, but weaker. Holy shit why is this movie so bad?)

Man, Marvel is really bad at villains in their origin stories, huh?

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It's basically a tie for me between the two. I think Ant-Man is a more elegant film, but Ant-Man and the Wasp has better development for its characters and a bigger sense of fun. It might be the most forgettable Marvel film post-Phase 1, but it is a very likeable film that is really good natured and well-intentioned. I think CoolCly nailed it, if the average blockbuster was like this the entire industry would be in a much better place.

BetrayedTangy
While we dont know exactly what Edgar Wright did with the first Ant-Man, you can feel his presence missing with this one.

We actually have a pretty good idea, there were some good pieces on it. Edgar Wright's script was a lot of the original, and it's easy to imagine what his would have been. What got added was the Quantum Realm scene, the Avengers HQ subplot with Falcon, extra scenes developing Hope and Yellowjacket, and the Luis monologues. The film would have had the same story and structure, along with most of the same action scenes and setpieces. It also would have looked different as Reed brought on his own Production Designer and Cinematographer. However, a lot of the visual design(most notably the costume) was already nailed down by the time he came on board. Additionally, Reed was definitely emulating Wright's style at times, most notably the use of quick cuts - when I saw the Luis scenes for the first time I thought they were pure Edgar Wright, and it turns out they were not. I think the end result would have been a very similar, if trimmed down, film.

I will say, I think Adam McKay deserves a lot of credit for the rewrite he and Paul Rudd did on Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish's script. The reason Wright (and Cornish) left the project was because Marvel effectively rewrote the personality out of his last draft - however McKay deliberately kept as much of Wright's voice as possible, and I do think that comes across. I also think that he and Rudd are the reason that fairly cynical sounding additions like the Falcon scenes actually fit well with the final film. It's a shame he didn't return for the sequel and I think it misses him as well.

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10. Captain Marvel
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13. Ant-Man And The Wasp
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16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
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18. Thor
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20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
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23. The Incredible Hulk

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CoolCly posted...

that was quite the stretch for LMS to bring The Last Jedi in here but he found a way

I am thankful you think this way because there were so many dumbasses on YT acting like Captain Marvel would be the MCU's equivalent of TLJ. Or that it was. Or that Disney encouraged the "controversy" in order to build up hype...as if being the next MCU movie wasn't hype enough. Plus the whole releasing on International Woman's Day thing to play into the feminist angle.

All this for a cookie-cutter MCU film.

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IM3 is next and Eddv was the 23
calling it now

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Inviso posted...

Iron-Man = Iron-Monger (Iron-Man, but Bigger)
Hulk = Abomination (Hulk, but Bigger)
Thor =/= Loki/Frost Giant Guy (Wily Trickster...and a Frost Giant Guy)
Cap = Red Skull (Same Superhuman Enhancement)
Guardians =/= Ronan (Really Powerful Dude with an Army)
Ant-Man = Yellowjacket (Ant-Man with Lasers)
Strange = Kaecilius (Doctor Strange with Years More Training)
Spider-Man =/= Vulture (Doesn't really have an origin story, so hard to say)
Panther = Killmonger (Black Panther, but More Merciless)
Marvel = Yon-Rogg (Captain Marvel, but weaker. Holy shit why is this movie so bad?)

Man, Marvel is really bad at villains in their origin stories, huh?

Having too many blatant evil counterpart villains is a comic book problem in general! Think of how many evil speedsters there are in Flash's rogues' gallery.

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Lightning Strikes posted...

I will say, I think Adam McKay deserves a lot of credit for the rewrite he and Paul Rudd did on Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish's script. The reason Wright (and Cornish) left the project was because Marvel effectively rewrote the personality out of his last draft - however McKay deliberately kept as much of Wright's voice as possible, and I do think that comes across. I also think that he and Rudd are the reason that fairly cynical sounding additions like the Falcon scenes actually fit well with the final film. It's a shame he didn't return for the sequel and I think it misses him as well.

Ah thanks for the info on that! I totally thought the Luis stuff was him as well. I really enjoy trying to find and determine little nuances like that.

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Inviso posted...

Spider-Man =/= Vulture (Doesn't really have an origin story, so hard to say)

Spider-Man = Vulture (Two enterprising engineers who raid scrap yards for their personal use, but have two entirely separate interactions with Stark/SHIELD; Vulture loses everything, Spidey gains everything)

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Mega Mana posted...

Spider-Man = Vulture (Two enterprising engineers who raid scrap yards for their personal use, but have two entirely separate interactions with Stark/SHIELD; Vulture loses everything, Spidey gains everything)

I meant in terms of power sets. Marvel tends to give their heroes a villain who has the same powers, but is inherently superior in some way, thus creating a challenge the hero has to overcome in order to defeat them.

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I'm late on this, but in retrospect, I think Age of Ultron was the beginning of the end for Joss Whedon. Prior to that, he had his cult fandom geek cred that effectively made him untouchable, but after Age of Ultron audiences started to turn on him. Then came the one-two punch of Justice League to remove any film-making credibility he had left, soon followed by his ex-wife MeToo-ing him as an emotionally abusive serial adulterer, destroying his reputation as the original male feminist.

It is weird how bad most of the MCU movie villains were given how good the MCU Netflix villains were

Fisk, Punisher, Bullseye, Kilgrave and Cottonmouth were better then at least 90% of the movie villains

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Johnbobb posted...

It is weird how bad most of the MCU movie villains were given how good the MCU Netflix villains were

Fisk, Punisher, Bullseye, Kilgrave and Cottonmouth were better then at least 90% of the movie villains

Agreed. In fact, I would rank Fisk over the villains from any MCU movie. I keep hoping theyll bring the MCU Netflix characters back at some point.

Johnbobb posted...

It is weird how bad most of the MCU movie villains were given how good the MCU Netflix villains were

Fisk, Punisher, Bullseye, Kilgrave and Cottonmouth were better then at least 90% of the movie villains

They also get a lot more time to develop.

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Maniac64 posted...

They also get a lot more time to develop.

In fairness, Cottonmouth was only in 4 episodes. And even if they hadn't, they also had the benefit of 1. an actual intended direction and identity for the characters and 2. really good performances.

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i cannot believe i am still "winning" this

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SSBM_Guy posted...

Kinda odd that Ant-Man and the Wasp is below Ant-Man. I guess Ant-Man has the novelty, more Hank, and more Michael Pena. But Ant-Man and the Wasp always just felt way more fun, mainly because we already established all the characters now.

I thought Ant-Man and the Wasp was plenty fun. Just not fun in a way that distinguishes it from any other MCU movie.

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ZenOfThunder posted...

i cannot believe i am still "winning" this

Yer basic

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16. Captain America: The First Avenger
Total Score: 497

Mr Crispy - 9
Whiskey Nick - 9
Mega Mana 10
NBIceman - 10
BetrayedTangy - 11
Eddv 11
GavsEvans123 - 11
MetalDK 11
CoolCly - 12
Snake5555555555 - 12
Anagram - 13
StifledSilence - 13
ZenOfThunder 13
PrinceKaro 14
Raka Putra - 14
Inviso 15
Red13n - 15
Maniac64 16
TomNook - 16
HanOfTheNekos - 17
Sheep007 - 17
Jesse Custer 19
XIII Rocks - 19
Johnbobb 20
Lopen 20
Paratroopa1 - 20
Corrik7 21
Cybat - 21
ScepterOfLove - 21
MetalmindStats 22
VengefulKaelee - 22
Illuminatusbubu 23

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Mr Crispy
Mixing a WW2 period movie and a comic book movie works out pretty well. It still feels a bit formulaic and hitting a lot of familiar plot beats for both genres, but the synergy between the two (and being removed in time from the other MCU movies) helps it feel a bit fresher for a comic book origin movie. I also liked the supporting cast. Though the climax needed a better one on one hand to hand fight with Red Skull instead of just vanishing, after building him up as an evil counterpart to Cap. Also the biggest disappointment is how much the start spoils the ending - the fake out before the scene with Cap meeting Fury would have worked out better if it didn't show the wreck in the arctic. If they wanted some way to transition from the current day back to WW2, they could have been more creative about it. Like I dunno, having Coulson showing one of the other agents his Captain America cards and talking about him (which could also tie into having the cards in The Avengers). Well, that's not really all that clever either since it's just something off the top of my head.

Whiskey Nick
(No write-up.)

Mega Mana
First Scene That Comes to Mind: Covering the grenade

Chris Evans is to Captain America as Michael Keaton is to Batman. Often cast as a stock generic lead comedy actor, his casting as the lead role of a morally set superhero was completely questionable and often looked at as a mismatch... until it turned out they completely nailed the role and it's difficult seeing anyone else doing it much better in the same shoes. Except there have been numerous takes on Batman before and since that have worked for different reasons, but I don't know if anyone will be able to match the heart, integrity, and willpower Chris Evans brings to Steve Rogers. The MCU may not have been able to succeed without Robert Downey Jr.'s Tony Stark, but I guarantee it all but collapses without Evans' Cap.

Everything that is Steve is introduced in this movie. He knows what it's like to be the weak, little guy, and he's got gumption and drive to fight for what's right even before he's made of muscles. His training exemplifies this showing more moral fortitude than most of the jockish candidates Agent J wants to put to the test. He's made to be a posterboy and propaganda piece, but knows he wants to fight for what's right and goes to save his best friend and take on the Nazis. He loves Peggy. He loves Bucky. His moral compass is strong. I know these sound like dumb descriptors, but they're real and they get truer and deeper with every passing movie. He takes charge and leads by example. He sees when something is wrong and takes a stand against it no matter how big the force he faces is. He recognizes and enables good men to do good things. He is the star-spangled man.

Captain America: The First Avenger is two-thirds the best MCU origin story and one-third terrible superhero flick. As soon as the Red Skull appears, the movie goes off the rails. There is a clear before-and-after where the movie shines and then no longer does. Hugo Weaving is a great actor, but his ham is not right for this movie. Hayley Atwell's Peggy Carter has such a standout performance she got her own television show and continual reappearances in many Marvel movies.

And while Steve's final line about not getting to dance with Peggy originally felt cheesy and out of nowhere, it has so much more weight to it when you see Cap's journey through until Endgame. That really is his one selfish care in the world. He becomes a man out of time who uses his powers, leadership, moral fortitude, and old world mentality to make the world a better place. But he hangs on to those in his life that he cares about and would do anything for them. He hops a motorcycle and goes behind enemy lines to save Bucky, he faces down the Avengers to clear his name, and he lives out the remainder of his years to be with the one person he loves with all his heart. He's a good man and a good soldier with a good heart. Clear eyes, full heart, can't lose.

Again, would be much higher if the last third didn't suck.

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NBIceman
Im gonna be curious to see how many folks besides me have this in their top ten. The reason I do is very simple: Steve Rogers is one of my favorite characters in all of fiction, and a large part of this movie is just pure Steve Rogers goodness. Writing for Captain America necessitates walking a pretty thin line, because hes meant to be a symbol, both in-universe and out, that represents the best of us as people. Thats why theres always so much insistence on his abilities being classified as peak human rather than superhuman. But that sort of thing can come off as preachy or goody-goody or just plain boring if not done well. The MCU does it well, and it starts with TFA. Its impossible not to connect to his earnestness in wanting to make a difference, especially with the great supporting cast thats around him (how good was Tucci as Erskine, seriously?) And through it all, his awkward but incredibly sweet romance with Peggy serves as a constant reminder of his humanity, which leads to the final scene of the movie - still a top 3 ending in the whole franchise. The movie falters a little in the middle where it leans a little too heavily on generic action explosions and so forth, but thats not enough to keep it from being the best solo origin story in the MCU.

BetrayedTangy
Despite being one of the most by the numbers MCU films its still one of my favorites to rewatch. Marvel doing a fantasy period piece is so good because they really have the budget to just go all out. Its such a unique feel compared to everything else and is really its main boon. Glad were currently seeing something similar with WandaVision! The other thing I love about this movie is the side characters, they all put in fantastic performances. Hell Peggy Carter is one of the few non costumed characters I actually care about.

Eddv
Hey there's a couple of period scenes in this one that don't totally suck.

GavsEvans123
This film feels like an old-timey pulp serial, which is pretty neat considering the time setting. To tie in with that, theres little in the way of moral ambiguity or complex characterisation here: good is pure and incorruptible, while evil has no redeeming qualities. Because of this, Cap provides another variety of heroism. He is the classical hero, an aspirational, inspirational force who will always stand up for whats right, even to a fault. In that sense, hes the Superman of the MCU, an icon of hope that others look up to.

Captain America may not threaten to be one of the best entries in the MCU, but it still provides a good time for those fancying a good old-fashioned Good vs Evil story. If nothing else, someone over at DC must have liked this film, considering the inspiration Wonder Woman took from it.

Fun fact: I had Red Skull yelling You are failing! as the text alert on my phone for a while. In retrospect, that probably wasnt good for my self-esteem.

MetalDK
Oddly underrated by some, overrated by others. I'm in the middle. Nowhere near my top tier, nowhere near the bottom though. Solid beginning for a superhero that was described as boring in the past.

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CoolCly
I think this is a VERY good movie.
The build up of who Steve Rogers was and why he IS Captain America was carried forward to the Avengers and onwards into every movie he was in from then on, and was a major pillar of the MCU being so consistent.
The early scenes of Steve being a scrawny kid full of determination, up through bootcamp, are great. Doctor Erskine is great, with his highlights being his intro scene finding Steve in that recruitment centre, and drink he has with Steve the night before the procedure. The car chase scene after the procedure is fun, and I like the montage once Captain America and the Howling Commandos are in full swing. Ive seen people *complain* about this because they dont actually get to see those scenes in detail but like. Thats not really an option. The montage is awesome.
Howard Stark was a wonderful addition to the movie he *really* brings that Tony Stark energy with a bit of old fashioned spin.
Peggy Carter is excellent. Shes refined, shes dangerous, shes beautiful, she doesnt take any shit, and she strikes a very memorable image. Out of all the love interests of the MCU, she is by far the most worthwhile. I just wish she had more to do in the movie! The only real definitive action she takes is helping Steve go on his hopeless rescue mission, which would probably seem like a generic doting love interest doing whatever the main character wants kind of move despite it being a bad idea, if not for the movie doing a good job of convincing us that Peggy is competent enough to be making these kinds of decisions, even if Tommy Lee Jones was on the fence about it. She feels like she could be the main character of her own story. And she is! Season 1 of the Agent Carter TV show is absolutely phenomenal. S2 not so much.. but oh well! If youve never checked it out, I highly recommend trying the Agent Carter one shot. It captures the essence of the show pretty well, even if its a bit cheesy.
The Red Skull was fun early on with a lot of his monologuing, but I feel like he dropped off towards the end when he went full mask off and revealed himself to be such a nazi. The fist fight at the end was pretty underwhelming like ohh, we built up this bad guy because hes a physical match for Captain America! The more interesting aspect was their personality differences, but I think that didnt matter as much by then. It was time to send him into space and end the movie. The set up with the plane was good though killed three birds with one stone by giving Cap a sacrificial moment, a final moment to end off the romance, and plausible way to get him frozen in ice to bring him forward in time. I really like the scene in New York, and the final line. I had a date.
Ultimately, I think this would be a GREAT movie if not for one thing all of the futuristic space weapons Hydra uses. I like the idea of Zola making highly advanced weapons for the time period. But these weapons are highly advanced weapons for US, not just in capability, but in look. I think they REALLY missed the mark here. I think that if the weapons had felt more like WWII era technology with juiced up capabilities, this could have been a real home run of a movie. As it is, the futuristic laser rifles shooting American Soldiers and making them just go poof took me out of a lot of the action scenes.
Overall, this was a really good movie, and I appreciate a lot of what it did for Captain America and the MCU. It was written by Markus and McFeely. Ive listened to them talk about the MCU on many podcasts and interviews and its just very clear how well they *get* Steve Rogers and how their mark shone through her and why they earned the right to write later movies like The Winter Soldier, Civil War, Infinity War, and Endgame and not to mention the aforementioned Agent Carter show.

Snake5555555555
Ive always liked this film even if my opinion on it has gone slightly down over the years. It has a really slow start, but Caps origin story is purposeful and everything to do with HYDRA is tons of funn; Red Skull and Zola are two of my favorite performances in the series. The Howling Commandos are definitely wasted and this film really does not have much in the way of iconic scenes besides the ending, but yet its just a solid little war/period piece. I dont have much else to say, its good but it has definitely been outmatched by future proceedings.

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Anagram
To me, this is the definitive had to be there movie. They had to make this movie so Captain America could show up in later movies, and it had to be during WWII unless they wanted to squeeze the WWII stuff into another movie they made the right call by not doing that, but this movie is just so much nothing.

StifledSilence
This is a very solid start to Caps story. I loved all the WW2 era throwbacks and aesthetics. I enjoyed the action as a whole. ButI dunno. It felt like it was missing a little something. Was it more Bucky I needed? Or was it less creepy looking skinny boy Chris Evans CGI I needed? Im not entirely sure. But still, great movie overall.

ZenOfThunder
Sometimes I will hum "Star Spangled Man with a plan" to myself. I love Captain America as a character. This one is not perfect but I always get amped watching it.

PrinceKaro
When a scrawny soldier is given some experimental steroids, he is transformed into Captain America, the living embodiment of the old-timey values that only exist in the minds of republicans.
The film takes place during World War 2, so Cap heads off to kick some Nazi ass because by jiminy, this is America and we'll never let fascists take over our... um wait...
...ah fuck.
Some elements of the film (particularly hydra scenes) feel campy in the manner of the comics of the 1940s and this is actually part of the movie's charm, but as the story goes on things gets tiresome, largely due to Steve being such a super boy scout. While in later movies he has the naive fish out of water thing with him, here he is just too perfect and flawless and he is very hard to relate to once he eats his wheaties and stops being the plucky underdog.
It is a decent origin story, but not really much else, and pretty much everything the film does Wonder Woman does better. A lot better.

Raka Putra
Probably one of the better origin stories. The movie blended war movie with superhero movie quite well, methinks. Also I like the character of Steve Rogers although he's just an overgrown boy scout.

Inviso
For a long time, I was nervous about actually seeing this film because I wasnt sure Id be able to enjoy the time jump, but it wound up being really good. I think the film did a great job of justifying Steves character progression by establishing him as the son of a military man who just wanted to serve his country against evil, largely because he had experience fighting off bullies due to his small size. Of the phase one heroes were introduced to, I feel like hes the first real paragon we get, and yet the movie doesnt make him boring as a straight-up good guy. His boy scout nature is almost played for laughs in just how morally righteous he is, and it makes his heroism all the greater. Also, in a lot of these movies, it feels like in order to develop the hero, you also have to spend time developing the villain, which means cutting corners with the heros development. But I feel like Red Skull gets just the right amount of characterization so as not to detract from Captain Americas journey. Even the Bucky and Carter stuff, while a BIT underutilized time-wise, was still given just enough to work with as a solid start to establishing Captain America as a franchise-leader.

Red13n
I kind of want to like this movie more than I do, but for a lot of the time this movie kind of drags. A lot of MCU movies will buck the trend later on by not boring us with an origin story, but we weren't there at this point. We're stuck with wimpy Steve Rogers for too long, then sidelined Cap for what feels like just as long. There are some good bits here and there, plenty of setup for things in the MCU that will come back, but this is a movie that wont leave you feeling like it isn't just another origin story.

Maniac64
Another movie I feel like I enjoy more than many people do. The start is stlow but I think it does a good job of setting up the kind of person Captain America is. I really enjoyed the pole thing where he uses his brain while everyone else just thinks physical. Did the Propaganda war bonds stuff go to long? Yes. Did Red Skull need more time and development? Yes. Do I wish they would eventually tell us where the tesseract weapons were sending everyone? Yes. But its still an entertaining super hero movie. I did enjoy seeing Howard Stark in his prime and they did a good job with the doomed romance and Bucky. Dum Dum Duggan was a real disappointment though, I wish he were better.

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TomNook
This is a good movie. I like the Captain as a character, but I don't think his storylines are always amazing. He's one of the only that I actually prefer in overlapping Avenger films, as opposed to his own movies.

HanOfTheNekos
This movie is just so standard. Out of all the MCU movies, it is the most typical and kind of boring. I like the Red Skull. I think hes a great villain. One of the best. Hugo Weaving is good like that.

Most of what happens in the movie is solid, its just not spectacular. And the movie just seems to go on for too long. Things get drawn out too much. Its a lot of story to tell for just clearing up the whole backstory business. But alas, so it be.

Sheep007
This is a perfectly acceptable movie. Steve is already just a wonderful human being, then he becomes an uber chad and saves some men from Nazis and theres some fights and stuff. Cool. This is a film that I watched. It doesnt feel badly done, and I like Steve, Peggy and Bucky. But theres not anything in this movie that makes me feel much of anything, and it ends up just being very bland. I was never really bored or annoyed, and I enjoy the sequence of Steve as a mascot as well as the segue into the original Avengers, but other than that I cant think of much I would praise about this film. I dont think its bad, but Steve is just not an interesting enough character to carry this movie, especially so early in the MCU.

Jesse Custer
I confess Ive never been a fan of Captain Americas origin. Hes supposed to be this relatable kid from Brooklyn who anyone that ever got bullied can relate to. And hes supposed to show that anyone can become a hero. All it takes is some magical steroids. And theres the problem. At least Peter Parker still looks like a normal kid after he gets bitten by a radioactive spider, but the transformation of Steve Rogers takes him completely outside the realm of relatability. Of course, this movie tries its best to convince us hes still the same kid from Brooklyn, with the same heart. But its awfully tough to see him as anything other than a super soldier cooked up as a science experiment. And Id rather watch a movie like The Winter Soldier that goes all in on making him a badass who does stuff normal people never could than a movie like The First Avenger that keeps trying to tell us theres a bit of Steve Rogers in all of us.

That being said, I cant really fault this movie for telling the story they had to tell with the first Captain America movie. And The First Avenger does a decent enough job of building the foundation for the character before they actually made him interesting.

XIII Rocks
I was a bit surprised at how low I ended up placing this. Maybe I just didn't love the period setting, or because it's the most "American" of all the MCU movies so it lacks a little bit of the universal appeal the other movies have. Hayley Atwell does nail it, though. And there's something really cool about this and Thor having these...hints at connectivity before the MCU became more obviously connected post-Avengers. Like I was so excited when that guy turned out to be Tony Stark's dad, and the mention of Odin early on.

Johnbobb
I will never get over Chris Evans goofy lookin fuckin bobblehead in the first third of the movie. Also, Captain America has never really stood out to me as a hero on his own, and you really see that in his series to come. Captain America works for the way he serves as a leader and plays off of others, but as a hero required to sell the movie from start to finish... meh?

Lopen
Something about this movie doesn't feel 1940s enough. It checks all the boxes and really tries to be, and I'm not really sure what it is but it rubs me the wrong way. It's like you fired up your Super Year Fighter Turbo video game, grabbed the 2011 character and you picked the 1940s alternate costume to try and beat final boss 2020-- it looks right at a glance but it's just off somehow. Aside from that Hugo Weaving is thoroughly wasted as Red Skull here. I dunno. It's fine and something I'd recommend anyone interested in going hard on the MCU see, but a bit boring for me and is quite skippable. We all know Captain America's origin story anyway, just watch Winter Soldier instead.

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Paratroopa1
I don't have a lot to say about this one. It's a serviceable origin story. I thought Captain America would be a really lame superhero, just because I thought the whole patriotism schtick wouldn't work for me, but they manage to make Captain America one of the most likeable characters in the MCU even for an America-hater like me. I don't really like war films so this one isn't really my vibe, though the best part of the movie is when Captain America becomes like the mascot for the military and doing like song and dance numbers to sell war bonds. Red Skull is an absurdly boring villain and I don't really remember much about this movie, but it's really carried by its protagonist.

Corrik7
This movie simply put is very boring. It is cool to see his origin, and how he operated in World War 2. The backstory and outline of his character is of course very essential and very important later on. However, it just is a really boring movie. Even the end fight just ends with the villain randomly teleporting. Not even really being defeated. I guess it is alright, but it's hard to get through without feeling tired.

Cybat
This is such a paint-by-numbers period piece superhero movie that Wonder Woman copied the structure of it almost exactly (barring the differences in their origins). Right down to a soldier named Steve performing a heroic sacrifice in a plane at the end. Hugo Weaving was a good choice for the Red Skull, but there wasnt that much for him - or almost anyone - to do. The musical number in the middle was funny though. And Hayley Atwell made a good enough impression to get her own show and, eventually, earn her right to be in the final scene of the highest-earning movie of all time.

ScepterOfLove
(No write-up.)

MetalmindStats
Can someone tell me why so many MCU fans seem to hold a torch for such a thoroughly dull film (besides the obvious differences in opinion)? There cant be that many people crushing on Peggy Carter, an appealing but distinctly underwritten character whos nonetheless the best thing her movie has going for it.

VengefulKaelee
This movie has one brilliant scene in it: the Alan Menken musical number where Captain America sells war bonds. Other than that one scene (which is just as good out of context anyway), I honestly find this one quite dull. It's not a bad movie per se only one of these movies is truly bad but it really doesn't do much for me at all. Steve Rogers works better as a man out of his own time, and stuff like the Peggy Carter romance and Red Skull as a villain in general just comes off as fairly trite.

Illuminatusbubu
I hate Captain America. His character is annoying. The story is somehow clich, cheesy, and simplistic at the same time. If it was for my boyfriend kept dragging to watch more MCU movies this would be the end of MCU journey for me.

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Lopen - 29
VengefulKaelee - 29
Whiskey Nick - 27
Raka Putra - 25
ScepterOfLove - 25
Inviso - 23
Jesse Custer - 23
MetalmindStats - 23
Paratroopa1 - 23
Corrik7 - 22
HanOfTheNekos - 22
Snake5555555555 - 22
XIII Rocks - 22
Cybat - 21
StifledSilence - 21
TomNook - 21
CoolCly - 19
Maniac64 - 19
NBIceman - 18
Anagram - 15
Red13n - 15
Sheep007 - 15
Mega Mana - 14
MetalDK - 13
ZenOfThunder 5

No real change after this one. Eddv maintains a commanding lead at the top, followed by Johnbobb and Karo, while Zen remains in the lead at the bottom, despite having more than doubled his score.

Spoiler for Number 15: The most top ten appearances yet, and the first movie to get TWO top five rankings. (Would be the first to get ANY top five rankings, but, you knowEddv >_>).

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whoa what

uhh man i think next one could be GOTG2 or Doctor Strange based on that hint. I don't know of anything else "at risk" that could pull that unless a bunch of you are secret IM3 fans

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Aaaaaaaah you all messed it up. Cap 1 rules. Better than Iron Man for sure.

Either GotG2 or Iron Man 3 next, with Doctor Strange as an outside shot.

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I can't imagine Iron Man 3 getting two top 5s so yeah probably Ant-Man or Doctor Strange.

Iron Man 3 still being in play is strange to me for sure

Also really surprised that so many people thought it was a good "old time" feel in the movie. Maybe I'm just weird but it just didn't work for me like other movies that are supposed to be from older times. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Inglorious Basterds which was released around the same time and I thought did Nazi era history much better.

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This is utter madness lol

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People went mad for Iron Man 3 when it came out, and a lot of people love it. If anything the we all like this, but nobody loves it movie would be Ant-Man.

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I might be reaching a little with this one, but I'm going to say Spider-Man: Homecoming. I could see a lot of people randomly liking it.

Or it's just Iron Man 3 and I'm just tired of guessing it.

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BetrayedTangy posted...

I might be reaching a little with this one, but I'm going to say Spider-Man: Homecoming. I could see a lot of people randomly liking it.

That's the thing, I think the fact so many people like it means it really shouldn't drop now.

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10. Captain Marvel
11.
12.
13. Ant-Man And The Wasp
14.
15.
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
17. Captain America: The First Avenger
18. Thor
19.
20. Thor: The Dark World
21. Iron Man 2
22.
23. The Incredible Hulk

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Well what I'm saying is it has enough fans to get all those top tens, while still being a pretty basic film and getting a lower score.

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10. Captain America: The First Avenger
11.
12.
13.
14.
15.
16. Avengers: Age of Ultron
17. Ant-Man & the Wasp
18. Captain Marvel
19. Thor
20.
21. The Incredible Hulk
22. Iron Man 2
23. Thor: The Dark World

My biggest outlier yet and still in third! Woo!

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fucking finally thank you captain america, the star spangled man with a plan (to get zen out of first/last)

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Captain America 1 is my third-favorite MCU movie behind Iron Man 1 and Black Panther. Felt like a compelling exploration of black-and-white morality to me. Kind of like a more mature version of The Rocketeer (incidentally from the same director).

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Shout outs to the three other folks with good enough taste to sneak TFA into their top 10.

I don't really have a confident guess for the next one - hard to think of an entry that would fit both of those requirements and still make sense to drop next. I think Lightning has the right of it - Strange, Guardians 2, or Iron Man 3, and I'd lean toward it being one of the first two there.

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Iceman have you ever seen the early 90s Captain America movie. What are your thoughts on it. I'm just curious.

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I feel like it has to be Guardians 2 or Iron Man 3.

One of which is in my Top 5...

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1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
11.
12.
13. Captain America: The First Avenger (2011)
14.
15.
16.
17. Ant-Man and the Wasp (2018)
18. Avengers: Age of Ultron (2015)
19. Captain Marvel (2019)
20. Thor (2011)
21. Iron Man 2 (2010)
22. The Incredible Hulk (2008)
23. Thor: The Dark World (2013)

zen's big predictable list so far

EDIT: looking at my list for the first time i sent it to inviso, my bottom half is super predictable but my top half is so wild that I cannot imagine finishing at the bottom

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12. Age of Ultron
13.
14.
15.
16. Iron Man 2
17. Captain Marvel
18. Thor
19. Captain America
20.
21. Ant-Man and the Wasp
22.Thor: The Dark World
23.The Incredible Hulk

Decent so far, with AoU the only slight outlier. Otherwise, meh movies are meh

But given the hint I can't imagine my #20 will be the next to go.
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Can't believe cap 1 dropped before...

I *feel* like it should be Ant Man for the next to drop. Though I suppose it's possible it is Iron Man 3 because a lot of people hate it, but I could see someone enjoying that Pepper Potts just straight up murders a guy in it.

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10. Thor
11.
12. Thor: The Dark World
13. Avengers: Age of Ultron
14. Captain America: The First Avenger
15. Captain Marvel
16. Iron Man 2
17.
18. Ant-Man & The Wasp
19.
20.
21.
22.
23. The Incredible Hulk

you guys

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Lopen posted...

Iceman have you ever seen the early 90s Captain America movie. What are your thoughts on it. I'm just curious.

I haven't. Before my time, and I'm not a morbid curiosity kind of person by nature.

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