Current Events > About to play Danganronpa for the first time.

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So we establish in the trial the position that Iruma was trying to kill Kokichi. Then Psyche Taxi starts up and the first question it makes me form is "Who was trying to kill Kokichi?"

I mean... really? Come on, game. I really hate Pysche Taxi. Possibly more than Lie Bullets.
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Intermission!

I think... I'm right. Iruma is in Kokichi's body and Kokichi is dead. And the reason they're acting so suspicious in this trial is to get us to vote for Kokichi when the correct vote is Iruma. But given that we've not gotten into the bodyswapping subject at all, maybe I'm just making it up in my head. What else would be the point of the wire connection being part of my Truth Bullets, though?
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Why is everyone acting like its unreasonable to discuss all posibilities in a life and death debate?
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This is some god damn bullshit. This better not be the actual conclusion.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Why is everyone acting like its unreasonable to discuss all posibilities in a life and death debate?

If this is about everyone saying "no we don't want to suspect ______!" after someone confessed, this is a rather tame reaction coming from you, given what you said about the character previously. It makes me think you did not believe the confession at this point. Kokichi lies a lot, but he also tells the truth quite often, and I picked up that confession as the truth from word 1. Also for the rest of the trial, be careful on judging if something is a lie, even if Kokichi says it's a lie, that can also be a lie. I'll explain that more when this trial is done.

Also I have no idea how you got this body swapping theory, but you seemed so sure somehow.

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Finished chapter 4. That was soul crushing. And rage inducing.

markconigliaro posted...

this is a rather tame reaction coming from you, given what you said about the character previously. It makes me think you did not believe the confession at this point.

I did not believe it no, but regardless of how I feel for any character, this whole "trust in your client horsecrap that Kaito stole from Ace Attorney and is pushing obscenely hard keeps getting disproven in every single case. But it's not even about suspicion or lack of faith in your friends, it's just about looking through all possibilities while the chance to do so is there. You don't have to suspect someone just because you're asking their alibi. Maybe they saw or heard something that would be key information.

markconigliaro posted...

Also I have no idea how you got this body swapping theory, but you seemed so sure somehow.

Because the ending to DR2 was literally about the characters being pulled out of the Neo World Program and having a new personality inserted into their bodies.

It seemed like an obvious lay up to me.
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Case 4 was heart wrenching.

And no matter how much you may hate Kokichi, you can't say he's not an amazing character.
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This hydraulic press seems foreshadowing.

So, Amami's ultimate lab looks insanely serial killery from the outside. Yikes. Also I didn't realize the game had a proper physics engine for the first person exploration, but some of the chunks when the door to his lab got blown up were stuck in mid air, lmao.

So this must mean that the door behind the bookshelf in the library actually leads to Kokichi's lab. But Amami was trying to get in there.

Hmmmmm... Were they working together? Very suspicious.

Is Kokichi the mastermind? Is that what the garden message means? Or maybe it's not done forming. Very curious.

Last trial still hurts, Jesus Christ.
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I feel like Keebo is gonna be relevant, if not in this chapter, then for the end game. All throughout the game he's referred to his inner-voice and while the game plays it off as his conscience or whatever, I think that's not really the case. I don't get his character unless he has some significance to play. All he does is provide material use like recording pictures and flashing a light. As a character they're extremely boring, and in a way that feels like there's more to it than just a bad character.

Also, lmao, I just noticed that Kaito have a celestial design on his slippers.

Does anyone else really miss the trials' non-stop debates starting with the phrase "Make Your Argument"? In this game it just says "Start!". It makes me a little sad.

"Extreme meat magic" sounds incredibly gross.
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Oh wow, That was some reveal. Is it truth, though?

Also I spent literally 25 minutes on that underground escape minigame, even with the upgrade >_>

LOL, Titanic.

Edit: Oh shit, DR1 stuff coming my way. And my fucking jam is back!

Edit: Okay so here's my feels currently.

Humanity is not wiped out. Not exactly, at least. Kokichi didn't leave the flashback light for us. There's some other hidden person or people at the academy. And the voice in Keebo's head is Makoto Naegi.
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Waaaaaaait. Those exisals are clear not protecting Monokuma, they're his prison guards. Is... monokuma not a baddie?

Got to the body discovery announcement and that's where I'm stopping for today. I was kind of expecting this outcome. I noticed that the character info screens lists both Kaito and Kokichi as wearabouts unknown so the game isn't telling me that Kaito is the one who is dead. So I'm kind of thinking it might be Kokichi. That would be exciting if true, that he wasn't the real mastermind. Also I can't help but find it suspicious that Keebo was not affected by the electrobomb. Hmmm.
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People often misunderstand how elecrobombs work. They only block wireless communications, not the electronics themselves. Keebo would be unaffected by electrobombs because he's not being wirelessly controlled.

Understanding this difference is going to be crucial for the trial and even the next chapter.

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Starting the investigation, and I really hope that comment is not a spoiler, cause right now it seems like it might be >_>

Game isn't allowing me to check the identity of the body. Could this be a Case 5 of the first game situation with a fake death?

Harukawa's looking very suspicious with her behavior and her not having her electrohammer, the tool that can open the Exisal hatch lock.
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Started the trial. This exisal thing is sus as fuck.

The "Everything You Buy Will Go on Sale the Next Day" curse sounds like a fate worse than death.

Edit: "I can show you the evidence that shows what made those holes in the victim's shirt. It was these arrows!"

"What, you didn't choose the crossbow the arrows were fired from instead of the arrows? That's a penalty!"

Okay, game.
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Monokuma being a bro and telling these idiots they obviously dont actually know who is in the exisal.

What's going on with him? And jesus Christ Harukawa is acting the most sus of all sus. Do they not realize how they sound? I guess they correctly predicted that everyone's an idiot cause I'm the only one pointing it out.
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So I haven't actually played V3 yet even though I know some of the big spoilers already which is why I haven't had much to say about this one. Is it true that Shuichi carries all the class trials, and how would you rank their competence as an Ultimate Detective compared to Kyoko so far?

Playing it safe with the spoiler tags because of Shuichi being the protagonist being a spoiler.
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@Kircheis

Yes, it's true that Shuichi carries all the cases, to the point that in at least one case all the characters kept going "alright Shuichi, do your thing!".

So for who is the better Ultimate Detective, I'd probably say Kyoko, simply for the fact that they make deductions based on the evidence they find in the field. Shuichi just goes around picking up things they find and all the brainwork to fit things together comes in the trial. So in a way they're more like the Ultimate/Ace Attorney. And I understand that it kind of has to be that way because Shuichi is a main character and Kyoko is just an NPC. It wouldn't make sense for the player to have all the answers before the trial starts. But it do affect how I percieve their roles. That said, Shuichi is a much more compelling character than Kyoko. I... don't really like her.
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Okay so, I'm very much not convinced that it's Kokichi in the exisal. Why not just show who it is then? But I'm also not convinced it's Kaito either. But who else could it be? A new/returning character? Someone who isn't as dead as we thought?

I also am starting to heavily doubt that Kokichi is actually the mastermind, though I guess I was before as well. Doesn't seem like they and Monokuma are on the same page at all.

OH SHIT, this case just got interesting as fuck.
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God fucking damnit, game. I see where you're going and I hate it. Don't do this to me :(

At the closing argument and I think that Shuichi is lying. If it is indeed Kaito in there, and I assume so, if he was the culprit he'd have no reason to engage in this Kokichi-like game. He'd just come forward to save his friends. So rather than Kokichi dying from the press crushing him to death, I think he died from Harukawa's poison and Kaito is misleading us to get her off at the expense of everyone else. But since Monokuma doesn't actually know who the true blackened is, Shuichi is going to play along and falsely convince Monokuma that it was Kaito.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

It wouldn't make sense for the player to have all the answers before the trial starts. But

and yet DR1 exists

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Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Anything but this, game.

Not the fucking Monokubs!
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Oh shit, dat chapter title for chapter 6.

Now shit feels final.

And going straight into deadly life. Can we please go see Amami's lab, game?

Also, what the hell @ that opening sequence? Was that supposed to be Naegi? He didn't look very much like him. Or act like him.
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Uh... am I on a timer? Can I fuck this up?
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Uh... am I on a timer? Can I fuck this up?

Don't worry about the timer. It's basically impossible to not "fail" that, and the only consequence is you'll be set back a minute with extra time on the clock.

But time for the final chapter which has divided the fanbase really hard. I (and many other people) personally love the ending, but some people say it ruined the entire series. It will be interesting to see where you fall.

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This lime limit is annoying. Every so often it just resets my progress in the room I'm in.
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tag for ending reaction

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Probably won't be until tomorrow.
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Question. How long is the "trial" section till the end of the game? I think I'm finished investigating, but it's 1 AM and if it's insanely long I wanna wait till tomorrow rather than stop midway through.

Assume the mastermind is someone alive, and they are female so it wouldn't be suspicious using the women's bathroom secret door to exit the hidden room, I can only assume that it's Tsumugi. Himiko and Harukawa just don't like someone I'd think of. Is Tsumugi supposed to be Kaede's twin sister? Or is that a character we just haven't met. Or is it just... Kaede? Is she not dead? The Survivor Perk monopad in the hidden room is obviously the one Amami is holding in his death picture. Which means that the mastermind went and swiped it before the body was discovered. So they were hiding in the secret room when he died, exited, and mingled with the rest of the students as the body discovery announcement was played. Which means that the mastermind would have to be someone who couldn't be accounted for in the time just before the announcement. And didn't Tsumugi go to the bathroom while hanging out with some others in the dinner hall? The bathroom with the hidden door that connects to the hidden room and the library?


...Yeah, that seems fairly shut and I feel so in a way that isn't intended to be a misdirect.
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Its a long case
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Alright, when I get the trial save point promp I'll stop, then.
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Starting up the final trial. Unfortunately the nature of today is that I might have to take a couple of longer breaks, but I just can't wait any longer.

Edit: I'm not understanding what the supposed contradiction in the characters' memory is regarding Hope's Peak. I get that the Flashback Lights are fake, I just don't see what exactly it is that is wrong in their understanding.

Edit: Ooooh, I didn't realize it, but of course. The iron ball in the mastermind's room had pink fibers on it BECAUSE it was the one Kaede tossed down to the pipe. In actuality, the one that Amami was killed with was one the mastermind (presumably Tsumugi) bashed him over the head with in the 30 second photo interval after his picture was taken, and the one Kaede dropped either missed or was caught and then placed in the garbage bin.I fucking see.

Edit: Also, this is unrelated, but I realized last night that the reason Shuichi wears a cap at the start of the game is to hide his Ahoge of Main Chararacterness. Lmao.
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It seems Monokuma is still trying to say that he is being controlled by the mastermind, like in the first game, but that seems wrong. Monokuma must be an individual AI that gets uploaded to each clone by Motherkuma when they're made and acts independently of the mastermind's direct control.

Edit: These Monokub explosion effects are kind of lame. You can do better than that, Chunsoft.
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That's a really early and really short closing argument. Yeah, I think this is far from the end.

So it seems pretty obvious now that not only is the mastermind not in direct control of Monokuma, they might actually not even be on the same page. Possibly even enemies. Interesting.

Edit: And here comes one of them longer breaks I'mma have to take. Right in the middle of the closing argument.
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The 53rd?

This is... an aggresively annoying revelation.

Also I can't believe that my out of frustration, not even remotely serious suggestion that the mastermind is Tsumugi cosplaying as Junko was correct.
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Oh, I see why this ending might be controversial.

If this is true.

I understand the point of what they're doing. It's really clever.

I fucking hate it.

Tha... that's not how roman numerals work!

How does Ultra Despair Girls even make sense with this?
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Oh shit, we turning this despair around now.
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Hopefully you understand now why we kept specifying the anime as DR3 and this game as V3. Was awkward seeing you call the game DR3 lol

Honestly, the further I get into this, the more I kind of love it. It's pretty fucking amazing.

And also, it's really fucking long.
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Oh shit I'm just in time

PowerOats posted...

Oh shit I'm just in time

Sorry for the delay >_>

I'm finally back!

When I last left off I had just convinced everyone to not vote at all for either hope or despair. So I assume I'm kind of close to the end, but even if I'm not, that's also fine.

Just to reiterate. I fucking love this.

Edit: OMG management, do your job!

lmao.

Edit: Noooooooooo, Keebo :(

I even saw someone on the floating text write 'CTRL+ALT+KEEBO' :(

Edit: That's the first time I've gameover'd on an Argument Armament >_>
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Trial End.

Oh yeah, suck on Keebo's robot nuts, consumers of Danganronpa!
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One thing I found long ago that I feel is worth reading about the game is this:
https://oumakokichi.tumblr.com/post/166327441530/what-do-you-think-about-nisamericas-localization

This post specifically focuses on the character of Kokichi Ouma and the differences between the original and localized dialogue around him. Big spoilers for the average person, but TC is in the clear to read it at this point.

Big omissions like how Kokichi actually hated killing and his organization expressly forbid it really stand out. This leads into a moment in the last trial where Shuichi just suddenly mentions out of nowhere that DICE forbade killing even though it never came up before this point in any way.

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the_rowan posted...

One thing I found long ago that I feel is worth reading about the game is this:
https://oumakokichi.tumblr.com/post/166327441530/what-do-you-think-about-nisamericas-localization

NISA should never be trusted, after the Rhapsody DS debacle.
https://www.siliconera.com/falling-flat-encountering-rhapsodys-ds-glitches/
https://www.siliconera.com/bonus-content-cut-from-rhapsody-ds/

Finished Danganronpa.

What an experience. What a journey. What a fucking ending.

Legitimately, I think it might be one of my all time favourite video game endings. Though by ending, I mean the whole last chapter I guess.

Just the balls to say fuck it to the entire fictional universe you've created to make a meta commentary on the consumption of that universe. And the commentary is true. The executions are the thing everyone talks about with these games. I think before I started, the only thing I knew about the series was that it was a lot like Ace Attorney, there's this asshole named Togami, the setting is a Japanese high school, and there's some bitchin' ass executions of people. Reminded me of Once Upon a Time in Hollywood when Tarantino focuses on a tv presenter saying "and now the part you've all been waiting for" or some such right before all the blood and gore and grotesqueries starts happening.

I fully understand why the ending would be controversial among the fanbase, and why people would dislike it. It does fundamentally and utterly change the context that the games that came before it lives in (still not sure how Ultra Despair Girls function in this canon, is it just like a spin-off movie or something?). DR1 and 2's stories are entirely different now. But I have a couple of ideas.

1) Try experiencing them in this context and envelop yourself in this different understanding. I think it's possible to come to like that. Or I at least think it will be a great experience to have for a playthrough.

2) If that doesn't work, just pretend that V3 doesn't exist. I do this a lot myself if a fictional universe goes a way I don't like. I enjoy playing Final Fantasy X-2 because the gameplay is fantastic. But the story is fucking shit and a lot of it is offensive to my experience of Final Fantasy X. So in my headcanon when I play X-2, X exists, obviously. But when I play X, I just ignore X-2 and everything is fine. And I can do that cause I'm not in any way bound by the continuity of the sequel when re-living that first one. Likewise, I think it's very much possible to just enjoy DR1 and 2 without considering V3 within that context. It's not like those were made with V3 in mind and so have all these things in them that only make sense in that context. At least not from what I can immediately think of. The idea of V3 came later and changed 1 and 2's understanding and thus can be easily removed from that existence. That might be where I end up myself when I've done a replay of either of them.

That said, I kind of hope there won't ever be a sequel or prequel to this. I feel like it would miss the point of what they made here.

After the full experience my issues with this game are hardly worth mentioning and I've done so previously mostly. I fundamentally hate lie bullets but luckily they turned out to almost be a non-factor in the game. Psyche taxi is the fucking worst and Mind Excavation or whatever it's called is excruciatingly boring, even when you can do it in 30 seconds. The Monokubs are the worst, but after the ending, I get why they're there. Chapter 3 was possibly the low point of the series for me, but the rest more than made up for it. I've come to agree that the creativity they have with the text in the trials is top tier, easily the best in the series, but I also still feel that the presentation of the trials is probably the weakest. Bad font, bad HUD. too dark, especially considering that the design of the characters themselves is also way darker than the other games. I don't dislike the Closing Argument in V3, I guess, but it's easily my least favourite of the three games. Argument Armament is fucking amazing. Even if it is easier than Bullet Time Ballet and Panic Talk Action, it's so much more fun.

I fucking adored the characters in this game. Easily. EASILY the best of the series. Legitimately up there as an all time favourite character ensemble in a video game (though that's not a category I've ever considered before so off the top of my head I can't think of any other really amazing ones than FF9). It's also the first game in the main series where I've felt that the main character (both of them) has enough depth to be considered beyond just a player avatar. Makoto and Hajime are cool and all, but they just don't feel fully developed the same way that the MC in this game does. Even the characters I like the least in this are so much better than the likes of Yasuhiro and Teruteru.

Yeah, that's the thoughts I could field about the experience right now. Some questions about the stuff that unlocked after beating the game:

What is this stuff, lol?

What's the thing listed underneath 'Talent Plan'? It's still not unlocked.

Does Shuichi have free time events with Amami and Kaede? Are there any special things about FTEs, like how you cant get Komaeda's in DR2 if you didn't get the first one on the first FTE day in chapter 1?

Anything else worth noting?

Thoughts on the game? On my playthrough of the series?

I'll dip into the bonus content maybe tomorrow or the day after and probably have something to say about it.

And I definitely will watch the anime some time soon. After I figure how to do so. But it won't be before this topic purges and I doubt I'll make a new one for it.

I've been watching some let's plays of the series, though never beyond where I was and I skipped over any FTE conversations I hadn't unlocked. When I replay DR2, I'll probably try out the English dub. It sounds really fun. Especially Gundham. INFINITY UNLIMITED FLAME!!!!1. I don't really see any reason to do the first game in English, though. Still haven't seen any part of a DR3 let's play so I dunno how I will fall on that.

Thanks for sticking around peeps :)

Now to read every spoiler box not posted by me in this topic.

Edit: Also, I looked through the trophy list for the game after completing it and there's a trophy for clearing the prologue that I never got. Okay game.
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I'm in the camp of hating V3's ending, but aside from the ending I feel V3 had the best everything else. The best cast, the best mysteries, the best cases, I love Kokichi and what he brought to the story. Kaito is the fucking man too.
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Here is my post game character ranking an hour after beating it:

01. Kaito
02. Gonta
03. Harukawa
04. Shuichi
05. Ryoma
06. Kokichi
07. Iruma
08. Tojo
09. Yonaga
10. Himiko
11. Kaede
12. Tsumugi
13. K1-B0
14. Tenko
15. Shinguji
16. Amami (Sorry dude, what you want? Be in the game more.)

Also, Harukawa and Tenko still looks exactly the same to me. I'm kind of shocked that there wasn't a reveal that they were related.
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Now play Zero Escape

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Is that the 9 Hours 9 Doors 9 Something games?

Cause I have bought those on PSN. It's gonna be a bit before I engage in a major story game like that again. Monster Hunter Rise is out in less than a month and I don't wanna leave stuff unfinished for the next three-six months where I play nothing else.
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Just so you don't break your brain trying to figure it out, the watch order for DR3 is Future+Despair (watch them concurrently, alternating between Future and Despair), then Hope, then that Nagito 2.5 thing apparently.

And now that you've seen V3's credits, here's the actual ending theme that didn't make it into the localization:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BnZLuW92Hw

Because it just isn't Danganronpa without Megumi Ogata's lovely singing voice at the end.
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