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FortuneCookie
01/09/21 7:50:21 PM
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Stolen from the WWE board:

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/09/pro-trump-dark-money-groups-organized-the-rally-that-led-to-deadly-capitol-hill-riot.html

America First Policies, which is also a 501(c)(4) that does not disclose its donors, is chaired by Linda McMahon, a longtime Trump ally and former head of the Small Business Administration. The 2019 filing shows America First Policies ended up raising over $30 million. They were not involved with the planning of the rally itself.

"Ahmed Johnson hurt people."
"Mark Henry wasn't talented enough."
"Booker T was punished for being WCW's last big star."
"Shelton Benjamin couldn't talk."
"R-Truth didn't have that it factor."
"Did you know The Rock is, like, 3/16th Black? That counts."

It's pretty evident there's a glass ceiling when the wife of the company owner is funding white supremacists. I know they had their first Black champion ever last year, but I'm betting it's because USA Network twisted Vince's arm and made him do it.
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Cobalt_Wasps
01/09/21 7:51:48 PM
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i dont keep up with WWE anymore, but what about Bobby Lashley? was he ever WWE champ?

EDIT: just researched it and no, Bobby Lashley was never WWE champ. sounds like he was being jerking around the title

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Mark_DeRosa
01/09/21 7:53:58 PM
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Didnt kofi beat Daniel Bryan at Wrestlemania lol

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Caution999
01/09/21 7:54:01 PM
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In contrast, the southern Wrestling Company, WCW, had Ron Simmons as the WCW World Heavyweight Champion in the year of 1992.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhsWQBziRz4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IB8DYpLAIfs

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cjsdowg
01/09/21 7:56:00 PM
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Kofi won it then lost it in the worst way possible . He lost it so badly I wish he never won it.

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cjs28
01/09/21 7:56:22 PM
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Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_>

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Hayame Zero
01/09/21 7:57:57 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Kofi won it then lost it in the worst way possible . He lost it so badly I wish he never won it.
He was one of the most protected champions, but the way he lost was a joke.

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DD Divine
01/09/21 7:59:06 PM
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cjs28 posted...
Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_>

he won Big Gold from WCW. Never the WWE Championship

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Collat
01/09/21 8:03:11 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Kofi won it then lost it in the worst way possible . He lost it so badly I wish he never won it.
As much as that sucked, getting to win the title at mania was still a great moment and it had to mean a lot to him.
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Ryven
01/09/21 8:04:46 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Kofi won it then lost it in the worst way possible . He lost it so badly I wish he never won it.

I havent watched WWE for years because i was just bored with it. How did he lose it?

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yunalenne10
01/09/21 8:06:06 PM
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Ryven posted...
I havent watched WWE for years because i was just bored with it. How did he lose it?
In a few seconds.

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Hayame Zero
01/09/21 8:07:34 PM
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Ryven posted...
I havent watched WWE for years because i was just bored with it. How did he lose it?
Lost to Brock Lesnar in the main event on the debut to Smackdown on Fox in about 7 seconds.

Then Cain Velasquez (the guy who beat Lesnar in UFC), came out and had a scuffle to set up their Saudi Arabia match.

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Veggeta X
01/09/21 8:07:39 PM
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Mark Henry was World Heavyweight Champ...

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Proto_Spark
01/09/21 8:08:17 PM
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cjs28 posted...
Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_>

Whenever people bring up black champions in the WWE they don't count the WHC or the WCW title.
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FortuneCookie
01/09/21 8:09:06 PM
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Proto_Spark posted...
Whenever people bring up black champions in the WWE they don't count the WHC or the WCW title.

It begs the question. If they're good enough to hold the World title, why not the WWE title?
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Veggeta X
01/09/21 8:11:13 PM
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Kofi won the WWE belt. Yeah it took the WWE long enough but it happened and they even let The New Day build the narrative that Vince and the WWE was racist too openly. It was a great angle.

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Cobalt_Wasps
01/09/21 8:11:48 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
It begs the question. If they're good enough to hold the World title, why not the WWE title?

the WWE is its own "universe"

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Hayame Zero
01/09/21 8:13:04 PM
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Veggeta X posted...
Kofi won the WWE belt. Yeah it took the WWE long enough but it happened and they even let The New Day build the narrative that Vince and the WWE was racist too openly. It was a great angle.
It was somewhat similar to the HHH/Booker T angle from over 15 years ago, except they actually ended it right this time.

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Garreyn
01/09/21 8:18:30 PM
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You listed reasons enough for those guys to not win the WWE Championship. Some of those guys were just around in a time where they split brands, so Booker T rarely had the chance to compete for the WWE Championship. Of that list, R-Truth is the only one that could have reasonably had a chance during his heel run in like 2011 before CM Punk took over the companies entire focus. Bobby Lashley IMO would have 100% been the WWE Champion at some point during his original run had he not just up and quit.

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Flauros
01/09/21 8:22:18 PM
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Shleton deserved a run. He is about the perfect mid carder. and adding that accolade would have been a great note for his career

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GS4Life
01/09/21 8:26:23 PM
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Vince and Linda suck

but The Rock is half black (father) and half Samoan (mother)

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Garreyn
01/09/21 8:27:37 PM
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Flauros posted...
Shleton deserved a run. He is about the perfect mid carder. and adding that accolade would have been a great note for his career

Definitely not the "perfect" mid-carder. As mentioned, he can barely speak well. A perfect mid-carder imo is someone like a (oddly enough) Mr. Perfect, or Jake Roberts. Kofi Kingston is about at that level, and he was given a championship reign.

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HBOSS
01/09/21 8:32:07 PM
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Ryven posted...
I havent watched WWE for years because i was just bored with it. How did he lose it?
Like this.
https://youtu.be/RG75bcKtjPI

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DD Divine
01/09/21 8:43:46 PM
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HBOSS posted...
Like this.
https://youtu.be/RG75bcKtjPI

such shit. And Im a Brock fan but this was total shit


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2SweetforTurtle
01/09/21 8:54:31 PM
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This argument just never holds up. The Rock was WWE champ in 98. Cherry picking that he isnt black enough is ridiculous. But even if you want to play that game, there were a few black WHCs in the mid 2000s. That title main evented over the WWE title many times, and WWE themselves will NEVER acknowledge that it is a tier below the WWE title, or else it would affect their golden boys John Cena, Triple H, Edge, and Randy Orton, all of which are either the record world title holder, or near it. So the WHC counts.

Even if you dont want to count the WHC, Kofi won it at Wrestlemania.

Whether you want to ignore people like the Rock, Booker T, and Mark Henry, the claim that WWE has never had a black WWE champion is a blatant lie in 2020, and even before Kofis reign, it was already one of the more obnoxiously cherrypicked stats by detractors. Lmfao imagine relegating accomplishments by whether or not you think someone is black enough. Thats racist as shit.

Also, Id just like to point out that while Vince is a carny old racist, he definitely tries hard to cover it up whenever he can lol. Hes promoted tons of latino wrestlers, having their first Puerto Rican champion back in the 70s, and the New Day, a team comprised of a black wrestlers, has become perhaps the greatest (most accomplished) tag teams in history. I dont think the fact that there wasnt a black WWE champ between the Rock and Kofi was a conscious decision, considering how many minorities he made champion in that same time period (Eddie Guerrero, Batista, Rey Mysterio, Alberto Del Rio, Jinder Mahal, among others).

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Starks
01/09/21 8:56:16 PM
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Booker T vs Buff Bagwell kinda ruined everything
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TheBlueMonk_
01/09/21 9:00:50 PM
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Lmao there have been tons of black champs

The Rock? Mark Henry? Sasha Banks?

Still, it's super low

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I Like Toast
01/09/21 9:01:04 PM
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cjsdowg posted...
Kofi won it then lost it in the worst way possible . He lost it so badly I wish he never won it.


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Veggeta X
01/09/21 9:02:00 PM
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People get stomped by Brock now, it's not exclusive to Kofi.

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PepsiWithCoke
01/09/21 9:02:49 PM
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This is why I'm glad AEW took off.

No more of that bullshit.

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TheBlueMonk_
01/09/21 9:03:13 PM
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PepsiWithCoke posted...
This is why I'm glad AEW took off.

No more of that bullshit.
Uh

I got some bad news for you

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I Like Toast
01/09/21 9:03:36 PM
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PepsiWithCoke posted...
AEW took off.
https://i.imgur.com/00XGXjt.gif

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Flockaveli
01/09/21 9:08:14 PM
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Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career.

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I Like Toast
01/09/21 9:08:48 PM
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Flockaveli posted...
Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career.

yes but didn't you read he's not black enough.

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monkmith
01/09/21 9:10:51 PM
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cjs28 posted...
Wasn't Booker T champion for a while? >_>
was wondering that too. i pretty much stopped watching wrestling back when WWF became WWE and WCW started to die off.

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Mistere Man
01/09/21 9:11:24 PM
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I Like Toast
01/09/21 9:12:48 PM
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heavyweight championship was never the top belt.

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Mistere Man
01/09/21 9:14:01 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
heavyweight championship was never the top belt.
Sorry I dont keep up with wrestling.

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I Like Toast
01/09/21 9:14:27 PM
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unacceptable, 20 lashes.

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Mistere Man
01/09/21 9:17:14 PM
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I Like Toast posted...
unacceptable, 20 lashes.
Harder!

Sorry just kidding.

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electricbugs2
01/09/21 9:19:14 PM
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My only exposure to wrestling is from this guy I watch on YT who sometimes mentions it in passing and even I know that the title is an outright lie.

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2SweetforTurtle
01/09/21 9:26:19 PM
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Kofi Kingston, the man who people claim is the first black WWE champ, says the Rock is the first black WWE champ. And he did it 20 years before Kofi.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.republicworld.com/amp/sports-news/wwe-news/wwe-star-kofi-claims-the-rock-was-first-african-american-to-win-title.html

Just because Patrick Mahomes mom is white doesnt mean hes not a black QB. Taking away someones right to claim an ethnicity because it doesnt fit your narrative is inherently racist.

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El Mexicano Texano
01/09/21 9:32:04 PM
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How is it not considered trolling or offensive to say that The Rock isn't black or black enough, that racist as fuck.

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2SweetforTurtle
01/09/21 9:33:42 PM
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El Mexicano Texano posted...
How is it not considered trolling or offensive to say that The Rock isn't black or black enough, that racist as fuck.

Idk but it happens every time this conversation comes up. People literally like to claim Kofi is the first 100% black champion just to dance around the question of the Rock. But its like, wtf does 100% black even mean. Nobody is 100% anything, lmao

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Veggeta X
01/09/21 9:34:18 PM
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I am a gamer.

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SquirtleSkwad
01/09/21 9:34:53 PM
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ITT: Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson is white.

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FortuneCookie
01/09/21 10:11:02 PM
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Flockaveli posted...
Didnt Rock have a whole gimmick based around blackness at one point in his career.

He was in the Nation of Domination if that's what you mean, but so was blond haired Owen Hart.

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DD Divine
01/09/21 10:17:42 PM
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FortuneCookie posted...
He was in the Nation of Domination if that's what you mean, but so was blond haired Owen Hart.

and Crush, but I guess hes Hawaiian. I think NOD was for minorities and allies.


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FortuneCookie
01/09/21 10:21:13 PM
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When he joined the group, Rock did say he'd dealt with discrimination all his life and left it at that. He didn't go any further with it.

Rock really takes after his Samoan side of the family and, not that there would be any reason to, but he doesn't really bring up his Black heritage in any of his promos. His dad showed up a few times to support him when he was "the Blue Chipper" Rocky Maivia, but that was it.
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Flockaveli
01/09/21 10:23:52 PM
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Oh okay. Im too young to remember that period in WWE (probably wasnt even born) but I figured it was a Black Power thing with the way they were dressed and what I heard about the stable in general.

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