Current Events > So much from Western culture is ultimately based on the Abrahamic religions.

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Regardless of whether you are an atheist, a Jew, a Christian, or whatever, you are living in a culture that largely is predicated on Abrahamic religious beliefs. Notions of sexuality, not going around stealing or murdering, concepts of happiness and unhappiness. Much of this appears to be derived from certain religions, in both Europe and North America.

Thoughts?


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Not going around murdering is because we live in an abrahamic society?

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That, and the police.


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yes, we owe much to religion for guiding us during our less civilized times

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People don't steal and murder like crazed lunatics in places that haven't been influenced by Abrahamic religions culturally.

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Sunhawk posted...

not going around stealing or murdering, concepts of happiness and unhappiness.

What

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I mean you're not wrong.

He is absolutely wrong lmao

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Basic morality is common sense. Every culture on earth has rules against murder and stealing.
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lilORANG posted...

Basic morality is common sense. Every culture on earth has rules against murder and stealing.

St. Patrick's story was that he was a British kid who got captured was sent to Ireland as a slave. There, he was subjected to abuse and and harsh conditions, and witnessed eye-opening torment among the female slaves. He eventually escaped to freedom and returned home, but he returned as a devout Christian to introduce the religion and instill the basic belief that every human being has value and should be entitled to fundamental human rights.

I bring this up to show that there are beliefs we have in modern day society that I feel are taken for granted.

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Posting in dumbo Sunhawk topic.
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What is western culture

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Sad_Face posted...

St. Patrick's story was that he was a British kid who got captured was sent to Ireland as a slave. There, he was subjected to abuse and and harsh conditions, and witnessed eye-opening torment among the female slaves. He eventually escaped to freedom and returned home, but he returned as a devout Christian to introduce the religion and instill the basic belief that every human being has value and should be entitled to fundamental human rights.

I bring this up to show that there are beliefs we have in modern day society that I feel are taken for granted.

you're skipping over the bit where he "banished snakes from irelend" by killing off all the supporters of pagan religions.

rules against murder/theft/slavery aren't in any way special and related to any religion. they're a basic necessity of any stable social system. without some form of rules society would colapse.

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Well yea those abrahmic barbarians came overwrote the existing Greek and Celtic cultures.

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lilORANG posted...

Basic morality is common sense. Every culture on earth has rules against murder and stealing.

When morality is left in the hands of scientific proofs its no longer common sense

I sitll don't know what western culture is

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Western psychology is a plague.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Western psychology is a plague.

Ehh its better than eastern anything when it comes to mental and physical health. Good luck with that excess of wood in your spleen, snort these bull testicals it will cure your cancer and histroncics.

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Is this supposed to be a surprise?

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Conflict posted...

Guns, cowboys and horseback riding.

so Texas?

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

I sitll don't know what western culture is

Europe and predominantly white former colonies.

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Sunhawk posted...

not going around stealing or murdering

that's in every society, though

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The "We would be animals without laws." debate hasn't been interesting since the early 2000's.

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Sunhawk posted...

not going around stealing or murdering

Even religiousless animals don't like being killed or having their stuff/food stolen. So most societies decide to make them into rules, regardless of religion.

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ZeroX91 posted...

Ehh its better than eastern anything when it comes to mental and physical health. Good luck with that excess of wood in your spleen, snort these bull testicals it will cure your cancer and histroncics.

It's not just about medical practices or beliefs, but in the manner of fundamental thinking that goes into our very existence, not just from a philosophical level but to various degrees of branches of sciences, such as physics and metaphysics. Western psychology teaches you concepts and ideas, such as: there must always be a form of opposition in order to achieve growth and development and become a more worthy challenger; that medical treatment and result of an illness is prioritized more than the longevity factor and prevention of an illness in the first place; that good cannot exist without evil being equally present; that something that artificially exists outside of our being (money, God/religion, material objects in the form of cars, houses, etc) is supposed to make our lives better; that we are taught to eat for indulgence and pleasure instead of our individual health and nutrition; that everything that exists is separate and you are obligated to "identify as" or "choose a side", when in reality everything is all interconnected at the atomic level through the fundamental forces of the universe (space, time, gravity, electromagnetism [light + sound], etc.) and expressed in different physical forms.

The only true enemy we ultimately have is ourselves, because in order to have an enemy, they need to be on your own psychological and mental level of thinking.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

What is western culture

Coors Light

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Jagr_68 posted...

Coors Light

Not even Coloradoans drink Coors Light.

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SquirtleSkwad posted...

Not even Coloradoans drink Coors Light.

My bad. Miller lite? Bud Lite?

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lilORANG posted...

Basic morality is common sense. Every culture on earth has rules against murder and stealing.

But does morality come from religion or something else?

Also, if morality is common sense, why do people still commit crimes against each other?

Simply put - we don't know where morality 'came' from. We know it is a social construct, but what causes us to know that murder is wrong, theft is wrong, etc? For the youngest people (children), they learn that breaking moral rules results in punishment - so ultimately in modern society, morals are 'taught' by our parents/caretakers through the use of negative/positive punishment or positive/negative rewarding.

It would be pretty easy to assume that religion had a role in morality - especially since most religions have similar codes and laws.

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MaverickXeo posted...

But does morality come from religion or something else?

religion is a human construct designed to teach morality.

MaverickXeo posted...

Also, if morality is common sense, why do people still commit crimes against each other?

common sense and absolute sense are not the same thing.


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MaverickXeo posted...

But does morality come from religion or something else?

Also, if morality is common sense, why do people still commit crimes against each other?

Simply put - we don't know where morality 'came' from. We know it is a social construct, but what causes us to know that murder is wrong, theft is wrong, etc? For the youngest people (children), they learn that breaking moral rules results in punishment - so ultimately in modern society, morals are 'taught' by our parents/caretakers through the use of negative/positive punishment or positive/negative rewarding.

It would be pretty easy to assume that religion had a role in morality - especially since most religions have similar codes and laws.

Some Christians argue the case that morality was instilled in humans by God.

C.S. Lewis (author of Narnia books) also spoke about this in his BBC radio broadcast during WW2. He was a pretty staunch atheist, and when faced with the horrors of the war, and the question of what is morality/justice, where does it come from? He ultimately landed on the idea of a creator/god.

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MaverickXeo posted...

But does morality come from religion or something else?

It comes from an innate understanding that all life shares, that anything that goes against the opposite of what nature dictates is what is considered wrong. Murder and stealing are ideas that go directly against nature, which is fundamentally about giving life and providing the universal means to sustain said life, predicated on various degrees of biology. Plants and animals don't steal or commit murder because they exist on a level of intelligence where there is no such thing as "yours", "mine" or "kill". Those are concepts that are introduced to beings like us because we're out of balance and have forgotten our place, and thus we are mentally and psychologically falling for the illusion that we can possess objects or take a life. Children are born without these misunderstandings because they are the closest to what we consider "God" and are naturally balanced with feelings and ideas such as love, compassion, sharing and joy, but as we age and we are taught various degrees of Western psychology that negatively influence our minds, we become cynical and therefore become our own enemies.

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Religion turned everything to **** and we still suffer from it.

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Not at all. Its always been a modgepodge.

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I mean, duh? Did you just find this out in your high school history class?

Bolle_Henk_ posted...

Religion turned everything to **** and we still suffer from it.

Religion was an important step in human development. It codified some sort of rules and structure that allowed groups of people to work towards a larger goal than just satiating their own hunger. Is it still needed probably not but lets not pretend we were always the what we are now. No number of apes with pointy sticks are going to make it off world.

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i mean what about islamic societies, theyre based on on abrahamic faith as well and yet they kill people for depicting muhammad. Remember abraham is the father of judaisim, islam, and christianity.

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Barber102 posted...

i mean what about islamic societies, theyre based on on abrahamic faith as well and yet they kill people for depicting muhammad. Remember abraham is the father of judaisim, islam, and christianity.

Does Islam actually promote the killing people for depicting Muhammad? Or is it like how some sects of Christianity are strongly opposed to gay marriage, etc?

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Barber102 posted...

i mean what about islamic societies, theyre based on on abrahamic faith as well and yet they kill people for depicting muhammad. Remember abraham is the father of judaisim, islam, and christianity.

Because they use their books, teachings and faith to justify an act that goes against what they deem is wrong.

ZeroX91 posted...

Religion was an important step in human development.

Nah, it was one of the worst, if we're being honest. It was used in ways that people could justify doing things that go directly against nature, such as amasing wealth to consolidate power, slavery of other humans for labor and reproduction, or even sacrificing animals/people to gain favor of their deities of worship, if we start talking about pagan ideologies that spawned into the Abrahamic religions.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Because they use their books, teachings and faith to justify an act that goes against what they deem is wrong.

Nah, it was one of the worst, if we're being honest. It was used in ways that people could justify doing things that go directly against nature, such as amasing wealth to consolidate power, slavery of other humans for labor and reproduction, or even sacrificing animals/people to gain favor of their deities of worship, if we start talking about pagan ideologies that spawned into the Abrahamic religions.

Have fun chasing animals with sticks and eating random berries cuz that shit comes with developing farms and some form of education system

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MaverickXeo posted...

Barber102 posted...

i mean what about islamic societies, theyre based on on abrahamic faith as well and yet they kill people for depicting muhammad. Remember abraham is the father of judaisim, islam, and christianity.

Does Islam actually promote the killing people for depicting Muhammad? Or is it like how some sects of Christianity are strongly opposed to gay marriage, etc?

It doesn't, no
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MaverickXeo posted...

Does Islam actually promote the killing people for depicting Muhammad? Or is it like how some sects of Christianity are strongly opposed to gay marriage, etc?

if your trying to say not all of them are bad, that was precisely my point how this topic kind of seemed like it was low key trashing muslims. it seemed like tc deliberately left islam completely out of being considered an abrahamic based religion. Im glad you brought up gay marriage though because christians to this day still support gay conversion therapy which is barbaric as fuck and has no place in a civil society.

Abrahamic based faith is prevalent across the globe, western culture isnt better than eastern culture. We steal, murder and act just as savage as them. The difference isnt religion as much as that side of the world is consistently war torn. Imagine what we in the united states and canada would be if we were consistently being invaded and bombed. We wouldnt have had the freedom to grow into what weve become.

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West=Christian
Middle=Muslim
East=Hinduism/Buddhism

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ZeroX91 posted...

Have fun chasing animals with sticks and eating random berries cuz that shit comes with developing farms and some form of education system. Like dont take that as me thinking its still good or useful its more like a half chub on a 90 year old man

And what does any of that have to do with religion?

Are you saying that it's impossible to have things like civilized society, technology or education without believing in a higher power that exists outside of your own immediate being?

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coh posted...

I mean you're not wrong.

All Abrahamic stories, myths and morals came from earlier civilizations like Mesopotamia. The stele of Hammurabi had hundreds of laws written down a 1000 years prior. The only thing the Abrahamic religions did was spread the belief of a single deity which was later amplified by the Romans.


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Sunhawk posted...

That, and the police.

their hit Ill be watching you shaped culture after all

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Xenozoa425 posted...

And what does any of that have to do with religion?

Are you saying that it's impossible to have things like civilized society, technology or education without believing in a higher power that exists outside of your own immediate being?

No. Religion was the start of trying to explain and understand things, which leads to understanding how things grow, which leads to every other discovery. No one particular religion or anything just you know the concept of it. Think of it like how Alchemy is to chemistry, religion is to science. If you get me...like none of us would have the frame work for any of the questions in this topic without that early primitive attempt at understanding.

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ZeroX91 posted...

No. Religion was the start of trying to explain and understand things, which leads to understanding how things grow, which leads to every other discovery. No one particular religion or anything just you know the concept of it. Think of it like how Alchemy is to chemistry, religion is to science. If you get me...like none of us would have the frame work for any of the questions in this topic without that early primitive attempt at understanding.

Spirituality and Afrocentric philosophy lead to our current understanding of science, not religion. Spirituality is to metaphysics what science is to physics, as they are 2 sides of the same coin. We can prove that souls exist and heaven/hell are states of mental brain frequency by using our understanding of physics and metaphysics. Religion is nothing more than a heavily distorted and glorified philosophy of Western psychology as a means of consolidating power and control.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Spirituality and Afrocentric philosophy lead to our current understanding of science, not religion. Spirituality is to metaphysics what science is to physics, as they are 2 sides of the same coin. We can prove that souls exist and heaven/hell are states of mental brain frequency by using our understanding of physics and metaphysics. Religion is nothing more than a heavily distorted and glorified philosophy of Western psychology as a means of consolidating power and control.

Bruh spirtutallity is the same thing as religon....never mind i never specified any religion.

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