Current Events > So much from Western culture is ultimately based on the Abrahamic religions.

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Xenozoa425 posted...

We can prove

source needed

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duh

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Xenozoa425 posted...

Plants and animals don't steal or commit murder because they exist on a level of intelligence where there is no such thing as "yours", "mine" or "kill".

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Plants can't fucking move and animals absolutely steal and kill their own species.

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Schwarz posted...

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Plants can't fucking move and animals absolutely steal and kill their own species.

Did you know mushrooms are natures brain?

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ZeroX91 posted...

Bruh spirtutallity is the same thing as religon....never mind i never specified any religion.

Spirituality is not directly the same as religion, as they are predicated upon your individual understanding of nature and the universe.

Afrocentric and Eastern philosophies like Ancient Egypt and Buddhism define their spirituality as a means of growing and developing their internal self in order to achieve enlightenment and universal wisdom. They teach concepts such as that life and nature occurs in cycles, that the matriarchy is the natural order of life and women are the beholders of life while men are the protectors. (All biological life starts out as female before there's a gene mutation that results in a male. Mitochondrial DNA is passed almost entirely through the mother, the XY male chromosome has slightly less genetic mass than the XX female chromosome, and the law of conservation of matter says you cannot get something greater from something lesser, thus proving that women came before men and explains why men have nipples that have no biological function) That the soul is eternal, that the mind is the gateway between the material body and the immaterial soul, and that everything in the universe is interconnected at all points of time and space. This is why mediation has always been a central practice in Eastern and Afrocentric societies, because it is an exercise that not only stimulates the entire body, but also the mind and spirit.

Western philosophies, such as the Abrahamic ones, define their spirituality as relying on external factors outside of themselves (such as "God") to influence their immediate life. They teach concepts such as that you have no more than one life, that women came from men and are lesser beings than men and the source of evil and wickedness in the world, that you are judged by "God" on the actions that happen to your life irregardless of whatever factors play into it (if you develop cancer at a young age, if you die in a tragic accident, if you die from a drug overdose, etc), and that you are born in sin and therefore must atone by giving money and externally projecting your energy outward in the form of prayer.

ThyCorndog posted...

source needed

Grant me the liberty of time and I'll get some stuff on here.

Schwarz posted...

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Plants can't fucking move and animals absolutely steal and kill their own species.

Plants are indeed a sentient lifeform. They know that they need sunlight to thrive and will actively seek out more sunlight as they grow. Just because they move slowly and can't speak or communicate in a way you understand, doesn't mean they aren't intelligent or can't feel. (Venus fly traps have been observed to have been knocked unconscious and fail to respond to the hair trigger that closes the plant and consumes prey.)

Animals don't have the same understanding of stealing or killing that we have. To them, it's not about committing an act of good or evil or possesing an object to give themselves an advantage, it's about their own survival predicated on their own individual biology. A lion will hunt a gazelle or zebra because that's how their biology dictates they operate to live, they eat meat to live, but when the lion is not hunting they are seen coexisting with gazelles and zebras at watering holes.


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Why are we basing western philosophy/religion on things based in the middle east instead of celtism, druidism, Norse mythology, Greek Mythology, or native american beliefs and traditions?

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Sometimes I like to wonder what modern western culture would be like if Christianity hadn't wiped out all the various pagan religions of europe

Zikten posted...

Sometimes I like to wonder what modern western culture would be like if Christianity hadn't wiped out all the various pagan religions of europe

Dominated by Vikings or way more nature worshipy. Way cooler mythology though, Beowulf, Cuculainn, Fairies and shit but like the cool ones not the disney ones

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ZeroX91 posted...

Why are we basing western philosophy/religion on things based in the middle east instead of celtism, druidism, Norse mythology, Greek Mythology, or native american beliefs and traditions?

Because most western Eurocentric religion/philosophy (and others such as Celtic, Norse, Druid) are either heavily influenced or entirely based off the Greco-Roman era of religion and philosophy.

In the Gregorian western calendar we use today, our days of the week (with the exception of Saturday, named after Roman god Saturn or Greek titan Cronus) are named after Nordic gods and our months (with the exception of July/August named after the Caesars and Sept-Dec symbolizing different numbers and geometric shapes) are named after Roman gods. Both of those societies borrowed their gods from the Greeks. And then obviously, the Greeks got their gods from Mesopotamia in the Middle East.

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@ThyCorndog @ZeroX91

Big wall of text incoming. I highly encourage you and others to read through it all, and I'll also provide supplementary images and video at the end to help give extra context and understanding.

So to start off with the soul, in order to prove its existence, you have to first define what a soul is and how it can exist using physics and metaphysics. To do this, you must have an understanding of how the fundamental laws of the universe work with matter through the study of physics and metaphysics. A soul is defined as an incorporeal or ethereal essence or consciousness inside a living being. Souls are said to inhabit things that are biologically alive. The definition of being alive, or life in general, is anything that distinguishes a vital and functional being from an inanimate organism. (Also side note, the word soul comes from the Greek word "animus", which is where the word "animated" comes from, anything that is animated is considered to be in motion.) And on the inverse of life, the definition of death is the biological termination of the vital processes that sustain a living organism. Typically, a death is acknowledged and recorded when the neuroelectrical signaling process of an organism stops. So then, death would be considered as a state when there is no more electricity being conducted through a body.

Now, electricity and magnetism are the two fundamental forces that dictate the form and shape of all states of matter. All matter is comprised of atoms, which are the smallest measurable unit of matter we can use, and they are made up of three sub-units called protons, neutrons and electrons. Protons carry mass with a positive, masculine and repelling electric charge. Electrons carry mass with a negative, feminine and attracting charge. Neutrons carry mass with no charge. These 3 sub-units of matter are then used in many different combinations to formulate different elements and compounds of matter, such as hydrogen, oxygen, carbon, and nitrogen. (Ironically, these are the 4 elements that are comprised of DNA and are the blueprint for organic life.) In order for the atoms to take on different combinations, they require different amounts of energy and radiation from the electromagnetic spectrum to affect their polarity, or electric charge, and they will either repel or attract different atoms.

The electromagnetic spectrum consists of varying levels of wavelengths, frequency and vibrations of energy and radiation, which take on the form of different wavelengths of lights and sounds. Photons are what exist at the epicenter of electromagnetic waves. They are very small light particles that carry no mass, but always move at the speed of light even in a vacuum. Information is encoded into light and sound, and thus they can be recorded to affect different states of matter at different frequencies. Light can be used at different wavelengths to grow plants in greenhouses a certain way, or to see objects that are normally not visible under regular circumstances, such as urine stains in ultraviolet light. Sound can also be used at different wavelengths to generate different feelings of emotions, or to give geometric shape to a form of matter that is otherwise normally formless, such as putting a drop of water into an acoustic chamber, and different harmonic levels of sound will produce different star shapes in the droplet. So therefore, light and sound can be used to alter the state of matter by energizing subatomic particles in order to induce a certain electric charge.

Consciousness is ultimately defined as the state of awareness that an object has of its surroundings. Typically, consciousness is denoted with living organisms and their reactions to the five physical sensations in the form of touch, sight, taste, hearing and smell. Again, in order for something to be alive and conscious, it requires electricity to be conducted through the body. We have proved that electricity can be found in atoms and other subatomic particles, and we proved that they react to different levels of electromagnetic energy and radiation. Therefore, atoms are a form of sentient and conscious matter, and their collective consciousness together allows them to formulate into different and more complex patterns of matter. Therefore, anything that is comprised of atoms at the lowest fundamental level of measurement and observation is by definition alive and conscious. All physical matter is made of the same elements, therefore all matter is interconnected consciously at the subatomic level.

Now remember that energy and radiation from the electromagnetic spectrum is comprised of photons that have no mass and can move at the speed of light, even in the vacuum of space. In the electromagnetic spectrum, we use hertz to measure waves. A hertz (Hz) is the frequency, or how many times, a wave vibrates in one cycle. Think of how many times you can beat a drum in a second. One kilohertz (KHz) is 1000Hz in one second. One megahertz (MHz) is one million Hz. One gigahertz (GHz) is one billion Hz, and one terahertz (THz) is one trillion Hz. Our sun, for example, is made of an exponentially huge amount of atoms, and is essentially a giant ball of electricity and magnetism. In order for the color red, the first color of visible light, to manifest and become physical, the sun has to be generating energy at around 4.32 10^14 Hz, or 432 THz frequency. That's 432 trillion times in one second, and the sun could fit about one million Earths inside of it. Give the size, that puts into perspective how powerful stars truly are. Thus, the sun is essentially a supermassive collection of consciousness, information and energy that is vibrating trillions of times every single second. But as we all know, as with all things that exist in life, even the sun itself has an expiration date.

Moving forward, all matter is temporary, because all matter is made of atoms, and atoms are bound by the physical laws of our three-dimensional universe. However, the soul is immaterial and cannot be directly measured by the tools of our current three-dimensional universe. Therefore, we can state that the soul is not bound by the same fundamental laws of the universe that physical matter is. This is evident with our observation of photons, which are information-encoded light particles that have no mass and can travel at the speed of light. However, we do know that things or beings that are immaterial can have a indirect (or sometimes, direct) affect on physical objects or beings in our material plane or three-dimensional spacetime. Again, we know that photons, or light + sound information, can be physically experienced and felt in our bodies. When we listen to different kinds of music, we can feel the vibrations resonate with us, and it can affect our moods. We also know that we cannot visually see things that are outside our immediate perception of visible light, but they are still existing. We can see things that are normally rendered invisible to our eyes with the aid of infrared or ultraviolet technologies.

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Now, when it comes to the concept of time, we have to understand that time, as dictated by the physical laws of our universe, is a unit of measurement that only applies to the potential energy of matter that is set into kinetic motion within a point of three-dimensional space in the cosmos. When something vibrates faster with more energy, it moves forward in time; when it vibrates slower or with less energy, it moves "backward" or becomes delayed in time. Light travels faster than sound because light carries more energy than sound. When we see a large explosion, we first see the light of the blast flare up, then the sonic-boom of the sound hitting us and affecting our ears and body, and then the blast itself with the dust and debris hits last. Even though both light and sound were emitted when the explosion initially happened, light and sound came at different speeds because of how much energy they have through their vibrations.

Finally, when we say that souls are eternal. What we consider as the concept of "eternity" is essentially timelessness, or the all-encompassing moment of all points of time and space being interconnected all at the same time. Consciousness is electricity, and electricity is light. We are light beings that inhabit physical vessels of matter. When we undergo the process of biological death, our physical vessel loses its electric charge that a life needs in order to function, much like a phone is drained of its battery and needs to recharge in order to be used again. Because the nature of our true self is that of an immaterial light being that naturally exists in a heightened state of awareness and reality, and is not bound by physical reality, we do not experience the flow of time in the same way physical matter does. As an immaterial soul, there is no flow of time,because there is no physical matter that is set into motion within a point of three-dimensional space. Thus, when we experience eternity, it is experienced as an all-encompassing point of "present" or "now" that permeates the totality of all existence, of that which has, was, and always will exist.

Therefore, we have effectively proved that all matter is collectively conscious and interconnected at all points of space and time, and that the soul is immortal and exists on a higher level than the physical realm.

Images:

Comparison of the design of small bits of biology with large scale celestial bodies
https://i.imgur.com/KYmJ2g2.jpg

Energy being shown as expressions of vibration, frequency, and geometric shapes
https://i.imgur.com/i70UOf5.jpg

Comparison of the flower of life to the fertilization of an egg into a zygote
https://i.imgur.com/pMHZlzM.jpg

Flower of life being depicted in various architecture in different cultures
https://i.imgur.com/pSDqZUw.jpg

Hebrew Star of David, or 6 pointed star in flower of life, showed in various architecture in different culture
https://i.imgur.com/7koDBwc.jpg

Videos:

How Sacred Geometry is imbedded in your DNA (*Highly recommend to watch this one!*)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mynr7uik5-0

Cymatics - sound frequencies giving geometric shape to sand
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvJAgrUBF4w

Cymatics - sound frequencies giving geometric shape to levitating water in an acoustic chamber
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z4QdiqP-q8

Effects of alcohol at the spiritual level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17ephsnEYCA

Effects of fruit juice at the spiritual level
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L40I7TvPOUE

Animals have souls, Koko the gorilla cries over loss of a kitten
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQCOHUXmEZg

Vortex solar system motion, golden Phi ratio, 1.618, all life and matter spirals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jHsq36_NTU

Empty space is not empty, a cubic centimeter of vacuum has more energy than the combined mass of the observable universe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtiHpIajXcs

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Xenozoa425 posted...
well, I appreciate you went through all that effort. wasn't expecting a source. however, I disagree with a lot of those statements and none of that is "proof". there's a lot of true statements followed up or preceded by false ones throughout that whole write-up. I have a graduate degree in physics so some sentences had me going "yeah, okay?" leading directly into "wait, what?"

I've heard of the conscious universe idea before. whatever you want to call it, intelligent universe, living universe, etc. it's just that, though, an idea. right off the bat the whole idea depends on the statement that electricity = life. but we know that's not true. current doesn't generate life. biology is more complicated than that, and my toaster isn't alive. you're probably utterly convinced by the whole idea so I'm just gonna leave it at that

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Electricity absolutely does bring life.

https://youtu.be/tfoVOGMz054

Those organs are 3D printed and void of life until they are plugged in to an electric "brain" module.

Just because you can't measure something in real time doesn't mean things like the Earth itself aren't alive.

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and do you think muscles reacting to stimuli makes them conscious? you can shock something that recently died and it'll move and twitch... does that mean it's "alive"?

also... uh... the description says thats a science fiction project

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I cant tell if poe or not...just kinda sad that spirit science didnt all come from one exceptional mind but many.

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