Current Events > Why is Pokemon Diamond/Pearl so beloved?

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It had one of the worst regions, worst soundtracks, I don't even remember the plot, and most of the Pokemon designs were forgettable.

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I remember getting stuck somewhere or something back when I played and I never actually got to beat the game. It felt pretty bland honestly.

The plot felt like a copy/paste of Ruby/Sapphire's.

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Gen 4 had almost everything it needed to be the best Gen.

But it's so

Fucking

SLOW

I couldn't get into it at all. I heard Platinum fixed all the bad things about DP though

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It's not that it was so beloved, it's just the next line in the remakes that people have been expecting for years since the last remakes.

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PowerOats posted...

Gen 4 had almost everything it needed to be the best Gen.

But it's so

Fucking

SLOW

Yeah I couldn't play it because of this. Pokemon was already a slow game but gen 4 took it to unbearable levels

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The nostalgia goggles are in full force.

I vividly remember the PDPSB being extremely salty about it at launch.

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A lot of people had a DS.

They're not: it's Platinum that is so beloved. Unova is a pretty good region, but Platinum fixed a lot of the weaknesses of Diamond/Pearl(lag, lacking Pokemon selection, etc.). It has excellent starters, overall good Pokemon variety, a strong rival, an excellent soundtrack, one of the most iconic champions(Cynthia), the Distortion World, and a pretty neat post-game area. Plus, there was a lot of care put into the region design: lots of neat cities, routes, little side areas, etc. A lot of effort and love went into it, and it shows.
Plus, it was the first gen to have online trading and battling(flawed though it was).

Since when diamond and pearl are the most beloved? i though that's where people started universally saying that the quality of the games were going downhill, or is this one of those dumb hot take topics?

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The fuck? It had one of the best soundtracks.

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Cookie Bag posted...

Since when diamond and pearl are the most beloved? i though that's where people started universally saying that the quality of the games were going downhill, or is this one of those dumb hot take topics?

--Zero- posted...

It's not that it was so beloved, it's just the next line in the remakes that people have been expecting for years since the last remakes.

This. This is the only reason why they might be getting more attention and love. They don't love Diamond & Pearl, they just love the idea of another set of remakes.

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cynthia is hot

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Platinum is great.

Diamond and pearl are mediocre in many ways but mainly for being SLOW AF. Long save times, slow battles, slow animations, tons of HMs to slow you up etc. Etc.

Also too many legendaries and babies. The new evos aren't too bad but they largelt didn't even show up till postgame for you to use so oops.

Platinum spruced up the graphics, added more to the dex, sped things up and also threw in a meatier postgame.

That said online was new and Cynthia made everyone horny.

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CRON posted...

one of the worst regions, worst soundtracks, I don't even remember the plot, and most of the Pokemon designs were forgettable.

Those are all opinions and I think most people disagree with them.

AFAIK people like the soundtrack.

The plot is typical Pokemon fare, no better or worse than any other Pokemon game stories.

The Pokemon are pretty beloved on the whole. It's got some fan favorites: Lucario, Infernape, Torterra, Empoleon, Luxray, Roserade, Garchomp, Gallade, Porygon-Z, Glaceon/Leafeon, and popular legendaries like Darkrai

As for Sinnoh itself, I think people have fond memories of Sinnoh. It has very expansive wild routes to explore, and also features a lot of unique locations to find rare and legendary Pokemon like Darkrai, Rotom, Heatran, etc. This was the generation where they basically gave each legendary its own location and lore, even the event Pokemon. Like Shaymin got its own cavern and route coming out of victory road, and then a long flower trail into the ocean. The only real problem with Sinnoh is that you need to use a lot of HMs to navigate it.

It was also completely feature-stuffed. There is a massive amount of stuff in DP. They also made huge strides toward competitive Pokemon by fixing the attack classifications and establishing online support for the series. They made the Pokeradar which was the first time they really facilitated shiny hunting in way that wasn't just "keep restarting lol" and the Poketch on the bottom screen had a lot of features you could use.

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CRON posted...

worst soundtracks

wut

No

CRON posted...

worst soundtracks

no

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i remember trying forever to catch heatran at very low health and the bitch wont stay in the ultra ball, cave ball, or w/e i used. Tried everything that made sense except for masterball cuz I used it on dialga already so I gave up and never played diamond again. lol

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PepsiWithCoke posted...

The nostalgia goggles are in full force.

I vividly remember the PDPSB being extremely salty about it at launch.

This.

I've only seen D/P love these last few years. I'm assuming its mostly just kids who started with D/P

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Sinnoh is arguably the best region in the series.

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Most of us grew out of pokemon briefly during the GBA age.

Gen 4 brought us all back.

they arent.

it's just that it's about due for a remake

the kids that played DP all appear now as adults hyping this game.
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It's easily one of the worse Gens

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you throw a ball at a cricket and train him to save the world

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Kanto > Johto > whatever black and white were

All the other regions and games sucked imo, especially sun and moon

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What the fuck is with this random Sinnoh hate. Sinnoh is the best region in the series. Great lore and world building, some of the most iconic designs in the series(Lucario, Darkrai, Garchomp, the starters, Arceus, etc.), some of the best music in the series, the best dungeon in the series, and one of the most popular characters in the series with Cynthia.

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AceAttorneyist posted...

The fuck? It had one of the best soundtracks.

RSE has my favorite Pokemon soundtrack (with the exception of XD: Gale of Darkness, surprisingly enough), so DPPt had a lot to live up to; having said that, it still turned out quite good. But to this day I'm still convinced that they accidentally switched Cynthia and Dialga / Palkia's battle themes at the last minute and couldn't be arsed to fix / admit to the mistake.

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Is it that loved? I hated how slow it was and the super long save times pissed me off even more.

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--Zero- posted...

It's not that it was so beloved, it's just the next line in the remakes that people have been expecting for years since the last remakes.

This, 100%.

Nobody really cares that much about Diamond and Pearl. But we've hit the point in the franchise cycle where we're on track to get the next remake soon. We got Fire Red & Leaf Green in 2004 I think, then HG/SS in 2009? ORAS was 2014. So yeah every 5-6 years, and SwSh is effectively complete now that the DLC wrapped up.

The only people who care that much is the generation who it was their first Pokemon game. They're all adults now, so they're nostalgic for it.

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When people talk about Sinnoh, theyre talking about Platinum. Not Diamond and Pearl. Actually thinking that Diamond and Pearl were loved shows how out of touch a person is with the Pokemon fan base.

Gen IV is considered to be one of the best gens because of Platinum and HGSS. A quick look at any Pokemon fandom makes this painfully obvious. Holy shit, people.

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Apocalyptic posted...

When people talk about Sinnoh, theyre talking about Platinum. Not Diamond and Pearl. Actually thinking that Diamond and Pearl were loved shows how out of touch a person is with the Pokemon fan base.

Gen IV is considered to be one of the best gens because of Platinum and HGSS. A quick look at any Pokemon fandom makes this painfully obvious. Holy shit, people.

HG/SS are amazing games.

Platinum (let's lump it in with D/P) is just boring. The region is bland, most of the Pokemon designs are forgettable, the plot is boring, and the soundtrack sucks.

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CRON posted...

Platinum (let's lump it in with D/P) is just boring. The region is bland, most of the Pokemon designs are forgettable, the plot is boring, and the soundtrack sucks.

How can you be so wrong

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CM_Ponch posted...

How can you be so wrong

What's your favorite location + music from Gen 4?

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The soundtrack was actually amazing, but it's the worst gen from what I've played

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Beemo_Season11 posted...

Most of us grew out of pokemon briefly during the GBA age.

Gen 4 brought us all back.

This is me. I didn't have a GBA so I skipped gen 3 but got back into it when I was 16 for D/P and loved it then. I still like it a lot, not sure if it's my favorite but it's up there.

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Theyre not. Platinum is because it fixed the major problems those games had

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Wtf it's my favorite one and I started with Red/Blue at launch. The music is great, it had a bunch of legendaries, I liked the pacing because it actually feels like an adventure not rushed like the rest of the series.

3rd gen Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald had the worse music it all has the obnoxiously loud trumpet playing for every song


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Wetterdew posted...

Those are all opinions and I think most people disagree with them.

ah, the "this butthurts me but let me be cool about it" statement

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Beemo_Season11 posted...

Most of us grew out of pokemon briefly during the GBA age.

Gen 4 brought us all back.

Crayon_Lover posted...

This is me. I didn't have a GBA so I skipped gen 3 but got back into it when I was 16 for D/P and loved it then. I still like it a lot, not sure if it's my favorite but it's up there.

Opposite for me. I skipped Gold/Silver and came back with Ruby/Sapphire. Seeing Pokmon upgraded to SNES-ish graphics and sound was amazing. And it actually did something cool in regards to story, too. Then there were the double battles, and the addition of all the cool things you could do with friends in Link Cable mode with trading records, and the secret bases basically allowing you to become an optional boss in someone else's game. The wireless addition from FireRed/LeafGreen felt pretty mind-blowing, and the Battle Frontier in Emerald was amazing. You could even do 4-player tag-team battles together, or do co-op in Battle Tower.

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It's my second favorite generation after gen 5. Great region, great music, and some of my favorite pokemon in the series (yeah, I'm a Lucario fan).

That said, I never knew it to be well loved by the pokemon fanbase. It was one of the more divisive generations iirc.

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CRON posted...

worst soundtracks

topic cancelled

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Everything I was going to say has already been said. D/P laid a solid foundation but were flawed in many ways. Then Platinum fixed basically every single major problem that D/P had and added even more content (especially postgame) and HG/SS took all of the great things that those games did and applied them to the Johto/Kanto regionsthat people loved and were nostalgic over.

I've been playing Pokemon since the very beginning, and I think that Platinum and HG/SS (along with B2/W2) are the pinnacle of the franchise.
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It's Platinum that's loved, mostly. D/P are slow af and have a bad regional dex.

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CRON posted...

What's your favorite location + music from Gen 4?

https://youtu.be/gBpEb8mPuXY

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