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Antifar 11/17/20 7:57:36 AM #1:	https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959 President-elect Joe Biden has privately told advisers that he doesn't want his presidency to be consumed by investigations of his predecessor, according to five people familiar with the discussions, despite pressure from some Democrats who want inquiries into President Donald Trump, his policies and members of his administration. Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations. They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on." Another Biden adviser said, "He's going to be more oriented toward fixing the problems and moving forward than prosecuting them." Any decisions by Biden's Justice Department regarding Trump, his staff, his associates, his business or his policies wouldn't affect investigations by state officials, including Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., who has fought to obtain Trump's tax returns. As Biden tries to balance his own inclinations with pressures from within his party, his advisers stressed that he is seeking to reset the dynamic between the White House and the Justice Department from what it has been under Trump. Biden wants his Justice Department to function independently from the White House, aides said, and Biden isn't going to tell federal law enforcement officials whom or what to investigate or not to investigate. "His overarching view is that we need to move the country forward," an adviser said. "But the most important thing on this is that he will not interfere with his Justice Department and not politicize his Justice Department." A third Biden adviser said that when it comes to any Trump-related investigations, the expectation is "it's going to be very situational" and "depending on the merits." Broadly, Biden's priorities will be the economy, the coronavirus, climate change and race relations, not looking back at the Trump administration, an adviser said. Presidents generally set the tone for what issues they believe should be priorities for the Justice Department, and questions about Trump-related investigations or retrospective reviews are expected to intensify as Biden gets closer to taking office. "He can set a tone about what he thinks should be done," a Biden adviser said. But, the adviser said, "he's not going to be a president who directs the Justice Department one way or the other." Biden's team is also reluctant to send any signal to Trump administration officials that the Justice Department wouldn't look into their actions, given that there are still nine weeks until the inauguration, another person briefed about the discussions said. "While they're not looking for broad criminal indictments, they do want to make sure that people don't think there are no ramifications for any of their actions between now and the new presidency," this person said. Emphasizing an arm's-length approach to the Justice Department could give Biden cover from criticism from his supporters about any lack of investigations into Trump, his policies or his staff. Democrats have sharply criticized Trump's direct influence on Justice Department investigations, including his calls for Biden and former President Barack Obama to be prosecuted over allegations of unspecified crimes. Pledging, as Biden has, not to interfere with federal investigations would be welcomed by many of his supporters. But it will be difficult for Biden to avoid the issue altogether, given the expected calls for investigations into an array of issues involving Trump from his administration's child separation policy to his taxes, possible conflicts of interest and potential violations of campaign finance law. The issue could set Biden on a collision course with some of his own supporters, who are eager for a wholesale examination of the Trump presidency. "There's also a strong school of thought that believes the law's the law," a Biden adviser said, describing the internal debate. Biden said many times during the campaign that he would leave any decision whether to prosecute Trump up to his attorney general. "If that was the judgment that he violated the law and he should be, in fact, criminally prosecuted, then so be it," he said during a debate in Atlanta. "But I would not direct it." Biden has said he wouldn't pardon Trump should that become a realistic question. Still, multiple aides said, Biden is generally not inclined to see his Justice Department investigate Trump. One of the reasons he has given aides is that he believes investigations would alienate the more than 73 million Americans who voted for Trump, the people familiar with the discussions said. Some Democrats, however, have said Biden should be prioritizing the concerns of his supporters, not those of his detractors. The delicate balance of answering to his own supporters and uniting the country is in part why Biden recognizes that his nominee for attorney general is "going to be one of the most consequential decisions he's going to make," an adviser said. Biden has vowed to sign an executive order declaring that any member of his administration would be fired if found to "initiate, encourage, obstruct or otherwise improperly influence specific DOJ investigations or prosecutions for any reason." The dilemma facing Biden is similar to the one Obama faced when he took office in 2009. Democrats were demanding the prosecution of Bush administration officials who were involved in policies that allowed enhanced interrogations, or torture, of terrorism suspects. To appease those Democrats, Obama released memos about the controversial program and then publicly said he didn't support prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised or carried out the policies. He also rejected calls for a 9/11-style commission or a truth and reconciliation commission, like the one that examined apartheid in South Africa, to review the policies. Make of this what you will --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:947267802] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/president-elect-biden-wary-trump-focused-investigations-sources-say-n1247959 <quote>President-elect Joe Biden has privately told advisers that he doesn't want his presidency to be consumed by investigations of his predecessor, according to five people familiar with the discussions, despite pressure from some Democrats who want inquiries into President Donald Trump, his policies and members of his administration. Biden has raised concerns that investigations would further divide a country he is trying to unite and risk making every day of his presidency about Trump, said the sources, who spoke on background to offer details of private conversations. They said he has specifically told advisers that he is wary of federal tax investigations of Trump or of challenging any orders Trump may issue granting immunity to members of his staff before he leaves office. One adviser said Biden has made it clear that he "just wants to move on." Another Biden adviser said, "He's going to be more oriented toward fixing the problems and moving forward than prosecuting them." Any decisions by Biden's Justice Department regarding Trump, his staff, his associates, his business or his policies wouldn't affect investigations by state officials, including Manhattan District Attorney Cyrus Vance Jr., who has fought to obtain Trump's tax returns. As Biden tries to balance his own inclinations with pressures from within his party, his advisers stressed that he is seeking to reset the dynamic between the White House and the Justice Department from what it has been under Trump. Biden wants his Justice Department to function independently from the White House, aides said, and Biden isn't going to tell federal law enforcement officials whom or what to investigate or not to investigate. "His overarching view is that we need to move the country forward," an adviser said. "But the most important thing on this is that he will not interfere with his Justice Department and not politicize his Justice Department." A third Biden adviser said that when it comes to any Trump-related investigations, the expectation is "it's going to be very situational" and "depending on the merits." Broadly, Biden's priorities will be the economy, the coronavirus, climate change and race relations, not looking back at the Trump administration, an adviser said. Presidents generally set the tone for what issues they believe should be priorities for the Justice Department, and questions about Trump-related investigations or retrospective reviews are expected to intensify as Biden gets closer to taking office. "He can set a tone about what he thinks should be done," a Biden adviser said. But, the adviser said, "he's not going to be a president who directs the Justice Department one way or the other." Biden's team is also reluctant to send any signal to Trump administration officials that the Justice Department wouldn't look into their actions, given that there are still nine weeks until the inauguration, another person briefed about the discussions said. "While they're not looking for broad criminal indictments, they do want to make sure that people don't think there are no ramifications for any of their actions between now and the new presidency," this person said. Emphasizing an arm's-length approach to the Justice Department could give Biden cover from criticism from his supporters about any lack of investigations into Trump, his policies or his staff. Democrats have sharply criticized Trump's direct influence on Justice Department investigations, including his calls for Biden and former President Barack Obama to be prosecuted over allegations of unspecified crimes. Pledging, as Biden has, not to interfere with federal investigations would be welcomed by many of his supporters. But it will be difficult for Biden to avoid the issue altogether, given the expected calls for investigations into an array of issues involving Trump from his administration's child separation policy to his taxes, possible conflicts of interest and potential violations of campaign finance law. The issue could set Biden on a collision course with some of his own supporters, who are eager for a wholesale examination of the Trump presidency. "There's also a strong school of thought that believes the law's the law," a Biden adviser said, describing the internal debate. Biden said many times during the campaign that he would leave any decision whether to prosecute Trump up to his attorney general. "If that was the judgment that he violated the law and he should be, in fact, criminally prosecuted, then so be it," he said during a debate in Atlanta. "But I would not direct it." Biden has said he wouldn't pardon Trump should that become a realistic question. Still, multiple aides said, Biden is generally not inclined to see his Justice Department investigate Trump. One of the reasons he has given aides is that he believes investigations would alienate the more than 73 million Americans who voted for Trump, the people familiar with the discussions said. Some Democrats, however, have said Biden should be prioritizing the concerns of his supporters, not those of his detractors. The delicate balance of answering to his own supporters and uniting the country is in part why Biden recognizes that his nominee for attorney general is "going to be one of the most consequential decisions he's going to make," an adviser said. Biden has vowed to sign an executive order declaring that any member of his administration would be fired if found to "initiate, encourage, obstruct or otherwise improperly influence specific DOJ investigations or prosecutions for any reason." The dilemma facing Biden is similar to the one Obama faced when he took office in 2009. Democrats were demanding the prosecution of Bush administration officials who were involved in policies that allowed enhanced interrogations, or torture, of terrorism suspects. To appease those Democrats, Obama released memos about the controversial program and then publicly said he didn't support prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised or carried out the policies. He also rejected calls for a 9/11-style commission or a truth and reconciliation commission, like the one that examined apartheid in South Africa, to review the policies.</quote> Make of this what you will</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AlisLandale 11/17/20 7:59:19 AM #2:	Fuck Joe Biden and fuck the DNC just once can America have a leader with a fucking spine --- #1 Kaiju Fangirl https://imgur.com/mptS9Qj <cite>AlisLandale posted [p:947267836] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Fuck Joe Biden and fuck the DNC just once can America have a leader with a fucking spine </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doe 11/17/20 8:00:38 AM #3:	Republicans will never face consequences within the current justice system --- https://imgur.com/u5kY6Yt https://imgur.com/V6HBhkR <cite>Doe posted [p:947267860] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Republicans will never face consequences within the current justice system </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
jpenny2 11/17/20 8:06:09 AM #4:	Hard to have unity when one side is peddling insane conspiracy theories and trying to undermine democracy. --- Fren Code: 2767-3374-3343 \|\| IGN: Penny \|\| TSV: 3067 \|\| Sig NFT I hate sarcasm. I'm also not too fond of irony. \| Permanently banned <cite>jpenny2 posted [p:947267985] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Hard to have unity when one side is peddling insane conspiracy theories and trying to undermine democracy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Funkydog 11/17/20 8:07:17 AM #5:	So they get away with it all. FFS --- https://imgur.com/BGbZK <cite>Funkydog posted [p:947268007] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>So they get away with it all. FFS </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 11/17/20 8:07:19 AM #6:	Listen up jack this is how you act like the bigger man when people need you to be --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:947268009] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Listen up jack this is how you act like the bigger man when people need you to be </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Ving_Rhames 11/17/20 8:07:27 AM #7:	Joe Biden is an idiot, thankfully a lot of cases involving Trump are completely out of his hands. --- the real Irving Rameses https://imgur.com/A7f6F9h <cite>Ving_Rhames posted [p:947268015] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Joe Biden is an idiot, thankfully a lot of cases involving Trump are completely out of his hands. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
SSJCAT 11/17/20 8:07:40 AM #8:	Those 73 million Americans deserve something awful --- PSN: SUPER_KITTY_JAM \| FC: SW-2262-4005-7054 \| Steam: SUPER_PO0PER <cite>SSJCAT posted [p:947268021] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Those 73 million Americans deserve something awful </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
blablablax17 11/17/20 8:08:23 AM #9:	This will be better in the long run. He can be petty and give Trump what he deserves, but history will remember that he at leasy tried to be civil and unite the country. --- Posted with GameRaven 3.6.0_B3 <cite>blablablax17 posted [p:947268036] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>This will be better in the long run. He can be petty and give Trump what he deserves, but history will remember that he at leasy tried to be civil and unite the country.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aressar 11/17/20 8:09:46 AM #10:	AlisLandale posted... Fuck Joe Biden and fuck the DNC just once can America have a leader with a fucking spine That depends on your definition of a fuckinh spine. Plenty of people would say Obama and Trump had that as well. --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. <cite>Aressar posted [p:947268069] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>AlisLandale posted... </cite> <quote>Fuck Joe Biden and fuck the DNC just once can America have a leader with a fucking spine</quote> That depends on your definition of a fuckinh spine. Plenty of people would say Obama and Trump had that as well. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
monkmith 11/17/20 8:10:17 AM #11:	everyone realizes that trump is going to blanket pardon literally everyone in his administration and try to do the same to himself while making it functionally impossible to tie him to anything illegal right? prepare for an absolute fuckton of destroyed paperwork and backdated orders that 'retroactively authorize' the shit he did. there's not going to be anything to do about the vast majority of it. --- Taarsidath-an halsaam. Quando il gioco e finito, il re e il pedone vanno nella stessa scatola <cite>monkmith posted [p:947268079] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>everyone realizes that trump is going to blanket pardon literally everyone in his administration and try to do the same to himself while making it functionally impossible to tie him to anything illegal right? prepare for an absolute fuckton of destroyed paperwork and backdated orders that 'retroactively authorize' the shit he did. there's not going to be anything to do about the vast majority of it. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 11/17/20 8:10:46 AM #12:	blablablax17 posted... This will be better in the long run. He can be petty and give Trump what he deserves, but history will remember that he at leasy tried to be civil and unite the country. The article notes at the end that Obama took a similar approach towards Bush administration torturers. Then one became head of the CIA under Trump. People recognize when their actions will go unpunished. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:947268085] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>blablablax17 posted...</cite> <quote>This will be better in the long run. He can be petty and give Trump what he deserves, but history will remember that he at leasy tried to be civil and unite the country.</quote> The article notes at the end that Obama took a similar approach towards Bush administration torturers. Then one became head of the CIA under Trump. People recognize when their actions will go unpunished.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 11/17/20 8:11:05 AM #13:	but no silly CE posters tell me more about how trump will be in jail in six months go on please --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:947268093] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>but no silly CE posters tell me more about how trump will be in jail in six months go on please </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jagr_68 11/17/20 8:12:25 AM #14:	Won't Trump's protections from prosecution be eliminated once he's a regular citizen again anyway? Why would Biden waste his energy on that fuckload in a Republican-controlled govt... --- New York Rangers [2004-2008] https://media.giphy.com/media/WvQHBYW0q4TuxdAg61/giphy.gif https://psnprofiles.com/Jaromiroquai68 <cite>Jagr_68 posted [p:947268127] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Won't Trump's protections from prosecution be eliminated once he's a regular citizen again anyway? Why would Biden waste his energy on that fuckload in a Republican-controlled govt... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Doom_Art 11/17/20 8:13:32 AM #15:	A) States can and will go after Trump B) It's not up to the President to tell the DoJ what cases to pursue I know some blue checkmarks had fantasies of some Nuremberg shit happening but that was never likely --- Not removing this until Mega Man 64 is released on the Wii Virtual Console. Started on: 12/1/2009 https://imgur.com/mPvcy <cite>Doom_Art posted [p:947268149] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>A) States can and will go after Trump B) It's not up to the President to tell the DoJ what cases to pursue I know some blue checkmarks had fantasies of some Nuremberg shit happening but that was never likely </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 11/17/20 8:13:36 AM #16:	If anyone honestly thought there would be consequences then you haven't followed Washington very long. These guys never pay for their crimes or transgressions. The most you'll get if you're lucky are resignations. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDb6eNUPScU <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:947268151] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>If anyone honestly thought there would be consequences then you haven't followed Washington very long. These guys never pay for their crimes or transgressions. The most you'll get if you're lucky are resignations. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Neckhomachus 11/17/20 8:14:20 AM #17:	The Trent posted... but no silly CE posters tell me more about how trump will be in jail in six months go on please who, specifically <cite>Neckhomachus posted [p:947268169] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted... </cite> <quote>but no silly CE posters tell me more about how trump will be in jail in six months go on please</quote>who, specifically </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KiwiTerraRizing 11/17/20 8:18:56 AM #18:	Fuck that --- Trucking Legend Don Schneider! <cite>KiwiTerraRizing posted [p:947268270] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Fuck that </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 11/17/20 8:24:29 AM #19:	Neckhomachus posted... who, specifically silly CE posters who think he will be in jail in six months --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:947268385] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Neckhomachus posted... </cite> <quote>who, specifically</quote> silly CE posters who think he will be in jail in six months </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 11/17/20 8:27:11 AM #20:	Good I would love to see justice, but no more than id like to avoid the violence that imprisoning trump would bring. Hopefully NY fines the shit out of him and he lives out his life embarassed and not wealthy But putting one person in prison isnt worth it. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:947268425] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Good I would love to see justice, but no more than id like to avoid the violence that imprisoning trump would bring. Hopefully NY fines the shit out of him and he lives out his life embarassed and not wealthy But putting one person in prison isnt worth it.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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g980 11/17/20 8:30:32 AM #22:	i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:947268489] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
COVxy 11/17/20 8:30:55 AM #23:	This seems to track with the overall goal to get back to bipartisan governing. shrug --- =E[(x-E[x])(y-E[y])] <cite>COVxy posted [p:947268497] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>This seems to track with the overall goal to get back to bipartisan governing. shrug </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MaxEffingBemis 11/17/20 8:38:08 AM #24:	Fuck Biden --- She took pity on me, horizontally, but most likely because of my band <cite>MaxEffingBemis posted [p:947268643] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Fuck Biden </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hutton 11/17/20 8:38:30 AM #25:	Accountability for politicians is a unifying goal of citizens --- All hail King Hutton Official Carter Hutton fanboy <cite>King_Hutton posted [p:947268651] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Accountability for politicians is a unifying goal of citizens </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 11/17/20 8:38:58 AM #26:	I don't understand this. You guys don't want unity? You guys want something of a civil war? And I didn't read anything in the OP. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:947268662] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this. You guys don't want unity? You guys want something of a civil war? And I didn't read anything in the OP. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 11/17/20 8:41:59 AM #27:	Veggeta X posted... I don't understand this. You guys don't want unity? You guys want something of a civil war? And I didn't read anything in the OP. Don't unify with Nazis <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:947268716] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>I don't understand this. You guys don't want unity? You guys want something of a civil war? And I didn't read anything in the OP.</quote>Don't unify with Nazis </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
1337toothbrush 11/17/20 8:44:18 AM #28:	What a surprise. Funny how the democrats scream about Trump being the most dangerous person ever and yet when it comes to actually do something about it, they do nothing. Oh, but they did a nice performance with the impeachment, when they knew it wouldn't actually go through the senate. --- https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/261-politics/78252375/931554955 https://imgur.com/a/FU9H8 - https://imgur.com/ZkQRDsR - https://imgur.com/2x2gtgP <cite>1337toothbrush posted [p:947268762] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>What a surprise. Funny how the democrats scream about Trump being the most dangerous person ever and yet when it comes to actually do something about it, they do nothing. Oh, but they did a nice performance with the impeachment, when they knew it wouldn't actually go through the senate. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
CableZL 11/17/20 8:46:14 AM #29:	1337toothbrush posted... What a surprise. Funny how the democrats scream about Trump being the most dangerous person ever and yet when it comes to actually do something about it, they do nothing. Oh, but they did a nice performance with the impeachment, when they knew it wouldn't actually go through the senate. This is in reference to the president trying to use the justice department to do his bidding. New York is still investigating Trump. Deutsche Bank wants their money. We'll have to see if anything materializes from those things (I have my doubts), but Trump isn't out of the woods just because Biden doesn't want to order the DoJ to investigate Trump. --- https://i.imgtc.com/d9Fc4Qq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/BKHTxYq.gif https://i.imgtc.com/vYYIuDx.jpg <cite>CableZL posted [p:947268794] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>1337toothbrush posted... </cite> <quote>What a surprise. Funny how the democrats scream about Trump being the most dangerous person ever and yet when it comes to actually do something about it, they do nothing. Oh, but they did a nice performance with the impeachment, when they knew it wouldn't actually go through the senate.</quote> This is in reference to the president trying to use the justice department to do his bidding. New York is still investigating Trump. Deutsche Bank wants their money. We'll have to see if anything materializes from those things (I have my doubts), but Trump isn't out of the woods just because Biden doesn't want to order the DoJ to investigate Trump. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
The Trent 11/17/20 8:46:41 AM #30:	Democrats loving political theater is nothing new --- i'm Trent B and i get respect your cash and your jewelry is what i expect <cite>The Trent posted [p:947268800] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Democrats loving political theater is nothing new </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 11/17/20 8:47:16 AM #31:	The Trent posted... Democrats loving political theater is nothing new This is avoiding political theater --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:947268809] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>The Trent posted...</cite> <quote>Democrats loving political theater is nothing new </quote> This is avoiding political theater</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Polycosm 11/17/20 8:47:24 AM #32:	Biden is right to stay out of it, but the new DOJ must prosecute Trump. If we allow this moral hazard to keep cycling around, it's going to get worse and worse. There has to be accountability. --- Thus in 2020 did Allen send forth a great flood, that destroyed the gurus and all users that lived on land, except those in azuarc. (thengamer.com/guru) <cite>Polycosm posted [p:947268815] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Biden is right to stay out of it, but the new DOJ must prosecute Trump. If we allow this moral hazard to keep cycling around, it's going to get worse and worse. There has to be accountability. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 11/17/20 8:52:21 AM #33:	DoctorPiranha3 posted... Don't unify with Nazis How about educating and converting the ones that we can? Every Repub or Trump supporter that comes to their senses is an ally not just to us but to the human race. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:947268935] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>DoctorPiranha3 posted... </cite> <quote>Don't unify with Nazis</quote>How about educating and converting the ones that we can? Every Repub or Trump supporter that comes to their senses is an ally not just to us but to the human race. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aressar 11/17/20 8:52:52 AM #34:	g980 posted... i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good Indeed. Although it would be satisfying to see Trump prosecuted, it's very understandable (and also probably the mature thing to do) of Biden to stick to practical and productive matters in the present and future. --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. <cite>Aressar posted [p:947268947] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted... </cite> <quote>i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good</quote> Indeed. Although it would be satisfying to see Trump prosecuted, it's very understandable (and also probably the mature thing to do) of Biden to stick to practical and productive matters in the present and future. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 11/17/20 8:54:33 AM #35:	Veggeta X posted... How about educating and converting the ones that we can? Every Repub or Trump supporter that comes to their senses is an ally not just to us but to the human race. Nice magical thinking. Too bad that will never work when the Nazis are allowed to keep pushing their agenda. <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:947268984] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>How about educating and converting the ones that we can? Every Repub or Trump supporter that comes to their senses is an ally not just to us but to the human race.</quote>Nice magical thinking. Too bad that will never work when the Nazis are allowed to keep pushing their agenda. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThunderTrain 11/17/20 8:55:44 AM #36:	I don't understand this whole "unity" thing with domestic terrorists. Seems odd. I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists? --- Without this nobody reads the last line of a post Look at all these slave masters posing on your dollar <cite>ThunderTrain posted [p:947269015] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>I don't understand this whole "unity" thing with domestic terrorists. Seems odd. I thought we don't negotiate with terrorists? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 11/17/20 8:57:37 AM #37:	DoctorPiranha3 posted... Nice magical thinking. Too bad that will never work when the Nazis are allowed to keep pushing their agenda. Dude only a Sith thinks in absolute. If you don't have the open mind to think you can save people who can be saved then you aren't much better. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:947269060] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>DoctorPiranha3 posted... </cite> <quote>Nice magical thinking. Too bad that will never work when the Nazis are allowed to keep pushing their agenda.</quote>Dude only a Sith thinks in absolute. If you don't have the open mind to think you can save people who can be saved then you aren't much better. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
HydraSlayer82 11/17/20 8:58:34 AM #38:	I mean, let NY state do their thing. A Democrat governor isnt pardoning that shitbag any time soon. --- Sigless user <cite>HydraSlayer82 posted [p:947269082] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>I mean, let NY state do their thing. A Democrat governor isnt pardoning that shitbag any time soon. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/17/20 8:59:42 AM #39:	g980 posted... i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good what about the next Trump? if he gets away with this, his successor will just learn that you can avoid punishment. <cite>Zikten posted [p:947269111] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>g980 posted...</cite> <quote>i mean this is what having a mature adult in office means Sometimes you forego the most immediately satisfying outcome for the greater good</quote> what about the next Trump? if he gets away with this, his successor will just learn that you can avoid punishment.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
g980 11/17/20 9:00:09 AM #40:	Can we also shut down the meme that all republicans are nazis? At the very least it's disrespectful to those killed by actual nazis. The atrocities in WW2 were a bit worse than what the republican party is trying to do. --- These old bones live to learn her wanton ways: (I measure time by how a body sways). <cite>g980 posted [p:947269123] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Can we also shut down the meme that all republicans are nazis? At the very least it's disrespectful to those killed by actual nazis. The atrocities in WW2 were a bit worse than what the republican party is trying to do.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
radical rhino 11/17/20 9:02:31 AM #41:	Not sure what to make of this. Hopefully he doesnt discourage the DOJ from doing its job. At the very least, they need to nail to the cross everyone in his 2016 campaign involved in colluding with the Russian government. --- .____ [____]===0 . . . . Ye olde beating stick. <cite>radical rhino posted [p:947269186] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Not sure what to make of this. Hopefully he doesnt discourage the DOJ from doing its job. At the very least, they need to nail to the cross everyone in his 2016 campaign involved in colluding with the Russian government. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DoctorPiranha3 11/17/20 9:03:51 AM #42:	Veggeta X posted... Dude only a Sith thinks in absolute. If you don't have the open mind to think you can save people who can be saved then you aren't much better. You're missing the point. They won't and can't be saved as long as the Nazi party is allowed to go around and keep up the disfracture. <cite>DoctorPiranha3 posted [p:947269225] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Dude only a Sith thinks in absolute. If you don't have the open mind to think you can save people who can be saved then you aren't much better.</quote>You're missing the point. They won't and can't be saved as long as the Nazi party is allowed to go around and keep up the disfracture. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Beemo_Season11 11/17/20 9:06:28 AM #44:	All according to plan! <cite>Beemo_Season11 posted [p:947269300] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>All according to plan! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
King_Hutton 11/17/20 9:09:16 AM #45:	What percentage of Biden voters do you think wants him to not prosecute Trumps crimes? Like people voted against Trump for a lot of reasons, his criminality being a prominent one. --- All hail King Hutton Official Carter Hutton fanboy <cite>King_Hutton posted [p:947269365] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>What percentage of Biden voters do you think wants him to not prosecute Trumps crimes? Like people voted against Trump for a lot of reasons, his criminality being a prominent one. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
gamer167 11/17/20 9:14:00 AM #46:	Theres more important things to worry about anyways. <cite>gamer167 posted [p:947269510] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Theres more important things to worry about anyways.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Aressar 11/17/20 9:15:15 AM #47:	Zikten posted... what about the next Trump? if he gets away with this, his successor will just learn that you can avoid punishment. I actually think it's more likely we'll have a 'next Trump' if all Republicans in general are demonized and publicly ridiculed. Since they're still a significant amount of the American people, they can't simply be brushed aside like a small minority of loud-mouthed extremists. Like it or not, they're there and they're not going anywhere, and I fear that the more they will be blamed, shamed and ridiculed, the more they will support some charismatic alt-right populist who will say that they are the good guys. That is also the reason why many of them voted Trump in the first place. They felt they were being shamed by literally everyone (i.e. a handful of loud-mouthed pronoun correctors on social media). Sadly Trump has created a lot of division and enabled racist behaviour on his supporters' part, and inflated the idea that every announcement and source that doesn't speak in your favor is fake news. These kind of developments definitely need to be extracted from society, but I sincerely believe that gradually building toward unity and cooperation is a more productive and pragmatic approach than condemning and ridiculing Republicans/conservatives as a whole. --- One time, CE triggered me so hard with their objectively wrong opinions that I accidentally punched myself in the balls. <cite>Aressar posted [p:947269545] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Zikten posted... </cite> <quote>what about the next Trump? if he gets away with this, his successor will just learn that you can avoid punishment.</quote> I actually think it's more likely we'll have a 'next Trump' if all Republicans in general are demonized and publicly ridiculed. Since they're still a significant amount of the American people, they can't simply be brushed aside like a small minority of loud-mouthed extremists. Like it or not, they're there and they're not going anywhere, and I fear that the more they will be blamed, shamed and ridiculed, the more they will support some charismatic alt-right populist who will say that they are the good guys. That is also the reason why many of them voted Trump in the first place. They felt they were being shamed by literally everyone (i.e. a handful of loud-mouthed pronoun correctors on social media). Sadly Trump has created a lot of division and enabled racist behaviour on his supporters' part, and inflated the idea that every announcement and source that doesn't speak in your favor is fake news. These kind of developments definitely need to be extracted from society, but I sincerely believe that gradually building toward unity and cooperation is a more productive and pragmatic approach than condemning and ridiculing Republicans/conservatives as a whole. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Alpha218 11/17/20 9:15:35 AM #48:	Ving_Rhames posted... Joe Biden is an idiot, thankfully a lot of cases involving Trump are completely out of his hands. This actually makes him smart. His whole presidency is supposed to be a return to normalcy (in numerous ways) and he doesnt want to dwell on Trump, and piss off his voters to come out and vote after the guy is gone. He doesnt have to do anything, and actually leaning on the AG to prosecute Trump is the kind of behavior Dems criticized Trump for doing. --- I'm Commander Shepard, and this is my favorite user on the Citadel. https://discord.gg/Wgtz2y9 - Come join us for Among Us <cite>Alpha218 posted [p:947269549] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Ving_Rhames posted... </cite> <quote>Joe Biden is an idiot, thankfully a lot of cases involving Trump are completely out of his hands.</quote>This actually makes him smart. His whole presidency is supposed to be a return to normalcy (in numerous ways) and he doesnt want to dwell on Trump, and piss off his voters to come out and vote after the guy is gone. He doesnt have to do anything, and actually leaning on the AG to prosecute Trump is the kind of behavior Dems criticized Trump for doing. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 11/17/20 9:17:03 AM #49:	Aressar posted... I actually think it's more likely we'll have a 'next Trump' if all Republicans in general are demonized and publicly ridiculed. Since they're still a significant amount of the American people, they can't simply be brushed aside like a small minority of loud-mouthed extremists. Like it or not, they're there and they're not going anywhere, and I fear that the more they will be blamed, shamed and ridiculed, the more they will support some charismatic alt-right populist who will say that they are the good guys. That is also the reason why many of them voted Trump in the first place. They felt they were being shamed by literally everyone (i.e. a handful of loud-mouthed pronoun correctors on social media). Sadly Trump has created a lot of division and enabled racist behaviour on his supporters' part, and inflated the idea that every announcement and source that doesn't speak in your favor is fake news. These kind of developments definitely need to be extracted from society, but I sincerely believe that gradually building toward unity and cooperation is a more productive and pragmatic approach than condemning and ridiculing Republicans/conservatives as a whole. we can prosecute Trump for his crimes without condemning all his voters though, is the thing. <cite>Zikten posted [p:947269590] in Biden hope... [t:79116473]...</cite> <quote>Aressar posted...</cite> <quote> I actually think it's more likely we'll have a 'next Trump' if all Republicans in general are demonized and publicly ridiculed. Since they're still a significant amount of the American people, they can't simply be brushed aside like a small minority of loud-mouthed extremists. Like it or not, they're there and they're not going anywhere, and I fear that the more they will be blamed, shamed and ridiculed, the more they will support some charismatic alt-right populist who will say that they are the good guys. That is also the reason why many of them voted Trump in the first place. They felt they were being shamed by literally everyone (i.e. a handful of loud-mouthed pronoun correctors on social media). Sadly Trump has created a lot of division and enabled racist behaviour on his supporters' part, and inflated the idea that every announcement and source that doesn't speak in your favor is fake news. These kind of developments definitely need to be extracted from society, but I sincerely believe that gradually building toward unity and cooperation is a more productive and pragmatic approach than condemning and ridiculing Republicans/conservatives as a whole. </quote> we can prosecute Trump for his crimes without condemning all his voters though, is the thing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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