Board 8 > Rating Every Fire Emblem Character Day 11 - Lex, Lilina, Nephene, Lon'qu, Lorenz

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Stuff:
- Ratings 1-10, no decimals. If you include a decimal, I will round down.
- We will do two ratings for each character character (CH) & unit (UN). They will be separate lists and you do not have to rate for both lists. Character rating is for design, personality, aesthetics, story, etc. and unit rating for everything gameplay related. If you only submit one rating and dont specify which, it will default to the character rating.
- You are free to rate any characters from past days or change your rating.
- Nominations for future characters are accepted. This does not guarantee your noms will be up for rating the next day but they will be moved up the queue for sooner rather than later.
- You obviously do not have to rate everything, just the ones you want.
- No regular schedule (e.g. Day 2 will not necessarily come ~24 hours after Day 1)

Spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lne8OQTQ7CwA5UXfzbD-Gsl34JuhamCU9oUgW85JC9w

Past Days:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1xdaRcNoKXPEjPNuA8-lRIZtVEQXI-qOJyqO3HZgdC6A

CH (50):
1. Soren 8.583
2. Hector 8.333
3. Joshua 8.308
4. Nino 7.727
5. Sigurd 7.700
6. Marth 7.444
7. Innes 7.222
8. Ayra 7.200
9. Lyn 7.125
10. Ares 7.000
11. Takumi 7.000
12. Leon 7.000
13. Lethe 7.000
14. Hilda 6.900
15. Mercedes 6.833
16. Nanna (5) 6.800
17. Caeda 6.778
18. Leif (5) 6.750
19. Henry 6.714
20. Ferdinand 6.429

21. Kent 6.400
24. Sain 6.167
27. Forde 6.000
41. Franz 5.250
43. Abel/Cain 4.600
45. Lance/Allen 4.400

47. Ricken 4.400
48. Xander 4.000
49. Tharja 3.000
50. Peri 3.000

UN (59):
1. Sigurd 10.000
2. Robin 9.889
3. Lena 9.429
4. Ryoma 9.429
5. Caeda 9.222
6. Marcus 9.000
7. Xander 8.857
8. Lance 8.714
9. Sain 8.571
10. Florina 8.500
11. Kent 8.286
12. Hector 8.235
13. Ares 8.200
14. Abel 8.200
15. Allen 8.143
16. Ferdinand 8.000
17. Cordelia 7.917
18. Franz 7.833
19. Leif (4) 7.800
20. Nanna (4) 7.800
21. Hilda 7.800

26. Cain 7.600
36. Forde 6.667
52. Cain (12) 4.500

55. Nino 3.455
56. Rebecca 2.143
57. Abel (12) 2.000
57. Astrid (10) 2.000
59. Lena (12) 1.750

Day 11: Lex, Lilina, Nephenee, Lonqu, Lorenz

Lex (4)

Axe Knight -> Great Knight
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 4
HP: 33 / 90
STR/MAG: 10/0 | 40/5
SKL: 10 / 20
SPD: 11 / 20
LCK: 8 / 20
DEF: 9 / 50
RES: 0 / 5
MOV: 8

Lilina (6)

Stats / Growths:
Lv: 1
HP: 16 / 45
MAG: 5 / 75
SKL: 5 / 20
SPD: 4 / 35
LCK: 4 / 50
DEF: 2 / 10
RES: 7 / 35
CON: 4
AID: 3
MOV: 5

Nephenee (9/10)

Soldier -> Halberdier
Stats / Growths (9):
Lv: 7
HP: 22 / 55
STR/MAG: 8/2 | 40/20
SKL: 10 / 55
SPD: 11 / 55
LCK: 6 / 25
DEF: 9 / 35
RES: 3 / 25
CON: 8
WT: 10
MOV: 6

Halberdier
Stats / Growths (10):
Lv: 1
HP: 32 / 45
STR/MAG: 15/6 | 35/15
SKL: 19 / 70
SPD: 20 / 65
LCK: 12 / 40
DEF: 15 / 35
RES: 14 / 45
CON: 7
WT: 12
MOV: 7

Lonqu (Awakening)

Myrmidon -> Swordmaster/Assassin
Stats / Growths:
Lv: 4
HP: 20 / 80
STR/MAG: 6/1 | 55/20
SKL: 12 / 75
SPD: 13 / 75
LCK: 7 / 55
DEF: 7 / 30
RES: 2 / 25
MOV: 5

Lorenz (3H)

Noble -> Cavalier, etc.
Stats / Growths (Golden Deer):
Lv: 1
HP: 28 / 55
STR/MAG: 8/7 | 40/40
DEX: 6 / 45
SPD: 7 / 40
LCK: 5 / 25
DEF: 6 / 30
RES: 6 / 40
CHA: 3 / 40
MOV: 4

Form:
Lex CH
Lilina CH
Nephenee CH
Lonqu CH
Lorenz CH

Lex UN
Lilina UN
Nephenee UN (9)
Nephenee UN (10)
Lonqu UN
Lorenz UN

I think I've lost interest in character ratings <_<

Lex UN 9
Lilina UN 2
Nephenee UN (9) 3
Nephenee UN (10) 5
Lonqu UN 5
Lorenz UN 7

Lex is very good, though clearly behind the top three first gen units and even after two of them leave other people have pulled ahead of him. Accuracy can be shaky and a fair number of enemies can take 2 hits from him, but really if he doesn't get a 9 who in the first gen does? Lilina is terrible, gets ORKO'd by a huge chunk of her joining map, takes ages to get caught up and never stops being on the slower side, and staff rank on promotion isn't much of a selling point in a game where it takes something like seven hundred and thirty six million years and two days to go up a staff rank.

PoR Nephenee has bad bases and is a foot unit in the game where you either have one of the good classes, bases that are strong right off the bat or you don't matter. RD Neph is better and the game doesn't hate her quite as much, but her bases are once again sketchy and RD is still hostile to growth units, though she's around in the parts that aren't as bad in that regard at least. Lon'qu...exists? Lorenz is solid but nothing special, I think "solid but nothing special" and being undecided between 7 and 8 is my default state for at least two thirds of the Three Houses case <_<

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Lex CH 7
Lilina CH 5
Nephenee CH 8
Lonqu CH 7
Lorenz CH 7

Lex UN 9
Lilina UN 2
Nephenee UN (9) 4
Nephenee UN (10) 6
Lonqu UN 7
Lorenz UN 7

Lex has some nice things about him. Having Paragon is really nice, and is a great thing to pass down if you don't care about your kid inheriting any weapons. He has exclusive use over the Brave Axe in gen 1 until Lachesis and Arden promote, and Lachesis has better options and Arden is a joke character, so you might as well keep it on Lex. He's one of your best units in chapter 2 and 3, and even though he falls off a bit after than when enemies can take 2 hits from his axe, he's still one of your better options.

Lilina is bad. She joins at level 1 on what is essentially 8x, because she spends most of chapter 8 locked up. Her skill is terrible in a game that has low hit rates to begin with, and her speed is bad too. When she catches up, she can hit stuff really hard once, assuming she hits. She avoids the 1 because at the very least she's a tier above scrubs like Wendy and Sophia.

Nephenee in PoR is in an awkward spot where she has similar bases to Marcia, who joins a couple chapters earlier and can fly. Her bases are a little low for that part of the game too, where Kieran (the slow cav) has a higher speed base than she does. She's a bit better in RD, where she has actual bases and growths that allow her to take advantage of the new bonus exp system. She's still not that great. Also, I'd like to point out how dumb it is that she starts with a lance that doesn't let her double the enemies in her join chapter. She might've ended up better if she had a chance to snowball in 2-1.

Lon'qu is decent. He's got decent combat and his high skill and speed bases make him a decent pair-up option. I don't have much more to say than that.

Lorenz is kind of in an odd spot. He can go either cav or mage, and he's decent at it, but nothing special. Thyrsus is nice, but it's not exclusive to him. He's just in an awkward spot where he's a worse cav than Ferdinand or Sylvain, and male mages get screwed over in TH, especially after the DLC.

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Mewtwo59 posted...

Lilina is bad. She joins at level 1 on what is essentially 8x, because she spends most of chapter 8 locked up. Her skill is terrible in a game that has low hit rates to begin with

Low skill on a mage isn't too bad, because Fire tomes have a glorious 95 hit, tied for the most of any weapon in the game. They're one of the only weapons exempt from Binding Blade's low hit syndrome. Even the 80 hit Thunder tome is still pretty accurate by FE6 standards, that's Slim Lance/Iron Bow territory

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Lilina CH 5
Nephenee CH 10
Lilina UN 6
Nephenee UN (9) 8

Lilina is neat, but just doesn't match up to her dad. She has only one real stat, and thus becomes a nuke, but requires minor babying (which is easier on her than on Sophia or Wendy due to earlier join time than the former and ranged advantage over the latter). She's a great mage if Lugh just isn't cutting it for you. Also cute, but not as great of a character which is likely again because of Binding Blade's writing.

Nephenee, however, is my girl. When I first played PoR, she took the place of my favorite FE female due to the class I saw in GBA but never could play as, and the fact that her shyness overtook Florina's. I'm not often a country girl person, but Neph takes a special kind of shyness where she's shy strictly because of not wanting people to hear her accent and word habits. Granted, to be flat out honest, regardless of the RNG blessings I've had with her, she's lance and foot-locked in a game that has OP Paladins.

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Lilina CH 7
Nephenee CH 8
Lonqu CH 6
Lorenz CH 2

Lilina UN 7
Nephenee UN (9) 7
Nephenee UN (10) 7
Lonqu UN 6
Lorenz UN 5

Too bad her name isn't Lephenee

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Lex CH 8
Lilina CH 8
Nephenee CH 6
Lonqu CH 5
Lorenz CH 7

Lex UN 8
Lilina UN 4
Nephenee UN (9) 4
Nephenee UN (10) 7
Lonqu UN 5
Lorenz UN 7

Lex is a great dude. He can really only do one thing (use the Hero Axe) but thankfully it's the exact thing you want him to do all the time.

I like Lilina as a character, she's kind of just the "don't treat me like a kid" cliche but it's not a joke for once. She's the heir to Ostia and is ready to take on some of that burden and everyone is still coddling her. As a unit she isn't great, but tbh there's a lot of value in FE6 in someone who hits Res really really fucking hard, even if only once. She's definitely usable.

Nephenee's fine. I feel like her personality changed a lot from FE9 -> FE10 but I could just be misremembering FE9. She's fun for the same reason swordmasters are but def outclassed by the paladins. She gets her time to shine in Part 2 of FE10 and that's about it!

Lon'qu is pretty forgettable. As a sword-locked infantry in a game where all three lords use swords I never really found a place for him. I guess you can reclass him if you want but he's not a super interesting character anyway so onto the bench he goes!

Lorenz is the worst GD during White Clouds without question, but he has Actual Character Development and comes back after the timeskip as a changed man. As a unit he competes with Lysithea in a contest that Lysithea is absolutely going to win every time but that doesn't make him bad. He's solid, Lysithea's just really good.

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i wonder how bad your Lugh has to be for you to go to Lilina >_>

that speed is INFURIATING

Lex CH 5
Nephenee CH 7
Lonqu CH 5
Lorenz CH 10

Lex UN 8
Nephenee UN (9) 7
Lonqu UN 4
Lorenz UN 3

Lex is good. Him being Danaan's half-brother is interesting and a potential area to explore for character development. Other than that, it's hard to really think of him as much of a character other than "damn I dropped my axe! Oh hey, Hero Axe!" Lex fills a really nice niche of being the axe user of Gen 1.

Nephenee is also good. I always thought she was a little overloved, but there's a lot to like about her. She's a mostly unique class, she has Wrath, and she has good stat increases. For infantry, she's not too bad. But FE9 is a canto game and infantry just can't catch up.

Lon'qu is very whatever. I married him with Tharja and it was actually a good relationship. Both Lon'qu's gynephobia and Tharja's hex-casting are used well to develop both characters. It feels like a natural Fire Emblem support instead of a boring Awakening one. For that, he gets points. I can't remember much of Lon'qu as a unit.

Lorenz is one of the best Three Houses characters. I love how much he subverts the haughty noble stereotype and is actually someone who tries to live up to the lofty ideals of what a noble should be. He is pretty insufferable in Arc 1, but he almost always gets his comeuppance. Arc 2 Lorenz is really solid and shows how much he matured. Plus, that design is so good. As a unit, Lorenz is very whatever. He's both good in physical and magical, which means he's good at neither. It's really unfortunate that Lysithea is also in Golden Deer and can even hold the Gloucester Relic without any consequences. His personal skill isn't even good because his Charm is so low.

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kateee posted...

i wonder how bad your Lugh has to be for you to go to Lilina >_>

that speed is INFURIATING

He has to make you want to use a cute girl that nukes enemies so doesn't need speed to double after OHKO'ing whatever low res enemy you send her against. But yeah. You can probably see why I've never beaten FE6 by now. Between having someone say that RNG stuff is a bug and now my Lilina usage over Lugh... We got a problem.

I also tried to use Cath once. It's rough.

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Lilina CH 7
Lonqu CH 5

Lilina UN 3
Lonqu UN 6

Panthera posted...

Low skill on a mage isn't too bad, because Fire tomes have a glorious 95 hit, tied for the most of any weapon in the game. They're one of the only weapons exempt from Binding Blade's low hit syndrome. Even the 80 hit Thunder tome is still pretty accurate by FE6 standards, that's Slim Lance/Iron Bow territory

Yeah, using Anima magic helps, but it doesn't help that she's in the one GBA game where enemies actually have a decent AS, so it's kind of a wash there.

SSBM_Guy posted...

It's really unfortunate that Lysithea is also in Golden Deer and can even hold the Gloucester Relic without any consequences.

It's not just Lysithea. Anyone with a crest can use it without penalty. It's just that Lorenz and Lysithea are the only ones who get Aegis and Pavise from it.


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Sherry_Tueli posted...

He has to make you want to use a cute girl that nukes enemies so doesn't need speed to double after OHKO'ing whatever low res enemy you send her against

At capped magic she doesn't OHKO chapter 21 and 23 Wyvern Lords with Aircalibur despite the effective bonus, not even guaranteed to OHKO the Wyvern Riders either. OHKOs don't really happen without the S rank weapons and you don't get a lot of shots of those (and almost every functional unit can ORKO stuff with them)

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