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dmaster342
07/16/20 6:31:52 PM
#51:


Blue_Inigo posted...
That's dumb

Not really my dude. Series has been shit for the last eight years. Let. It. Die.

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SocksForWokMAX2
07/16/20 6:32:27 PM
#52:


So is the new Paper Mario game good?
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One_Day_Remains
07/16/20 6:35:57 PM
#53:


dmaster342 posted...


Not really my dude. Series has been shit for the last eight years. Let. It. Die.


That's not how business works

Theyre not going to just stop making games that clearly still make money just because people (myself included) don't like the direction they've headed
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WrestlinFan
07/16/20 6:36:58 PM
#54:


Tyranthraxus posted...
As I said in the other topic.
Is this ironic trolling or something. SMRPG is genuinely inspired, a living and breathing fantasy world that blends the best of Mario and Square tropes. What exactly is your issue with that game.

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iPhone_7
07/16/20 6:37:53 PM
#55:


Blue_Inigo posted...
They don't use the old battle system because they don't just wanna do the same thing again.

I wish they would mess with the Mario & Luigi rpg games (which I dont care for) instead of the Paper Mario games.

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Tyranthraxus
07/16/20 6:41:50 PM
#56:


WrestlinFan posted...
Is this ironic trolling or something. SMRPG is genuinely inspired, a living and breathing fantasy world that blends the best of Mario and Square tropes. What exactly is your issue with that game.

They blend together as well as ammonia and bleach. It doesn't work at all. It creates a horrid cludge of a story with awful visuals and dramatically out of place characters into a story that refuses to have a participating protagonist.

It's like all the problems Sonic Chronicles has but with slightly less shitty gameplay.

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WrestlinFan
07/16/20 6:52:25 PM
#57:


Tyranthraxus posted...
They blend together as well as ammonia and bleach. It doesn't work at all. It creates a horrid cludge of a story with awful visuals and dramatically out of place characters into a story that refuses to have a participating protagonist.

It's like all the problems Sonic Chronicles has but with slightly less shitty gameplay.
The visuals are great, some of the best and most impressive the Super Nintendo ever produced, which is saying a lot.

What about the characters is "dramatically out of place" in a Mario game exactly?

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One_Day_Remains
07/16/20 6:58:30 PM
#58:


Tyranthraxus posted...


They blend together as well as ammonia and bleach. It doesn't work at all. It creates a horrid cludge of a story with awful visuals and dramatically out of place characters into a story that refuses to have a participating protagonist.

It's like all the problems Sonic Chronicles has but with slightly less shitty gameplay.


None of this is correct lol

If you dont care for the story or characters that's one thing but saying the world and characters don't work is completely false. And the game is literally known for having some of the best visuals in the entire console's library
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EffectAndCause
07/16/20 6:58:58 PM
#59:


What is an OC?
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Darmik
07/16/20 7:01:19 PM
#60:


Blue_Inigo posted...
OCs are basically limited to bosses and characters related to those bosses it would seem.

I was thinking how Luigi's Mansion fits this and that also fits so I think you're right. Weird.

Maybe Sonic scared them off it.

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Tyranthraxus
07/16/20 7:07:15 PM
#61:


EffectAndCause posted...
What is an OC?
Original Character

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DoctorPiranha3
07/16/20 7:08:29 PM
#62:


Darmik posted...
Maybe Sonic scared them off it.

Thing is, Sonic never had a history with RPGs. OCs and story are the crux of RPGs. So with this new edict, Mario RPGs are done for.
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Blue_Inigo
07/16/20 7:08:52 PM
#63:


EffectAndCause posted...
What is an OC?
Original character. Characters like Vivian from TTYD, the Pixels in Super Paper Mario, the Star Spirits, etc are generally not allowed anymore. They want to use the traditional stuff

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Tyranthraxus
07/16/20 7:09:41 PM
#64:


WrestlinFan posted...
The visuals are great, some of the best and most impressive the Super Nintendo ever produced, which is saying a lot.

What about the characters is "dramatically out of place" in a Mario game exactly?

Pretty much all the square original shit.

They even copy pasted FF4 music that's how uninspired the game was. And the visuals, while detailed, are ugly. Mario's proportions are all jank and the color is an offense to contrast settings.

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dmaster342
07/16/20 7:13:38 PM
#65:


One_Day_Remains posted...
That's not how business works

Theyre not going to just stop making games that clearly still make money just because people (myself included) don't like the direction they've headed

The series sells even shittier than the games tho (that's even more depressing for the first three which were amazing IMO).

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GiftedACIII
07/16/20 7:17:14 PM
#66:


Darmik posted...
I was thinking how Luigi's Mansion fits this and that also fits so I think you're right. Weird.

Maybe Sonic scared them off it.

Luigis Mansion was also executive screwed by Miyamoto
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Blue_Inigo
07/16/20 7:17:28 PM
#67:


Sticker Star, the worst game in the franchise, sold more than every other Paper Mario game. This series aint dying anytime soon.

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EffectAndCause
07/16/20 7:19:10 PM
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I feel like every Mario game has new characters, im confused.
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Darmik
07/16/20 7:20:43 PM
#69:


EffectAndCause posted...
I feel like every Mario game has new characters, im confused.

I think only the 3D ones do outside of bosses.

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Blue_Inigo
07/16/20 7:24:10 PM
#70:


EffectAndCause posted...
I feel like every Mario game has new characters, im confused.
They're trying to cut that down. Think about the amount of brand new characters TTYD had:

The Punies
X-Nauts
Flavio
The weird Twilight Town people
Flurrie the Wind Spirit
Some weird pig chef
Ishnail and other Craw people

I guess Nintendo got tired of that

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Tyranthraxus
07/16/20 7:24:17 PM
#71:


Darmik posted...
I think only the 3D ones do outside of bosses.

There's new ones in most of the 2D ones as well but very limited.

The last Nsmb introduced nabbit for example. There hasn't been a new 2d game in a while though.

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Axiom
07/16/20 7:25:31 PM
#72:


I had mild hopes for Origami King. I should have known better. I'll just pretend it ended at TTYD and write the rest off
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WrestlinFan
07/16/20 7:56:04 PM
#73:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Pretty much all the square original shit.

They even copy pasted FF4 music that's how uninspired the game was. And the visuals, while detailed, are ugly. Mario's proportions are all jank and the color is an offense to contrast settings.
Weak. Don't they copy the FF music for only an optional final boss.

I think the visuals are colorful and have a ton of character. Do you expect Mario's sprite to be life-like or what? I think it's a faithful evolution, if not innovative of his 16 bit sprite.

Have you ever played the game on a CRT with a real Super Nintendo and an authentic cartridge just wondering.

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Dark_SilverX
07/16/20 7:58:52 PM
#74:


DoctorPiranha3 posted...
*flips over table*

Alright, what Nintendo address do I deliver this packaged turd to?
Nintendo is tired of designing new characters. Cut them some slack!

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PiOverlord
07/16/20 8:00:25 PM
#75:


Mario should never be safe. He is such a safe character himself, you know his brand will sell, so Nintendo should be using him to experiment imo.

That's why the 3D Mario games are so good, they introduce new things all the time because I feel like the main Mario team understands this and goes with this. It's why the 2D games are just okay because they play it safe and just want to be "hey remember how the first Super Mario game had that flagpole in the end, haha, so do we, don't you feel nostalgic?!?"

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Darmik
07/16/20 8:07:25 PM
#76:


Honestly I think this is also why we'll never see a 2D Mario game with a different artstyle.

Mario is now a brand being licensed to theme parks, movies and the Olympics. He has his cast of friends. They're copying Disney.

I don't think this is just a Paper Mario thing.

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Romulox28
07/16/20 8:48:43 PM
#77:


Tyranthraxus posted...
They blend together as well as ammonia and bleach. It doesn't work at all. It creates a horrid cludge of a story with awful visuals and dramatically out of place characters into a story that refuses to have a participating protagonist.

It's like all the problems Sonic Chronicles has but with slightly less shitty gameplay.
What a dumb post lol

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One_Day_Remains
07/16/20 11:19:53 PM
#78:


Tyranthraxus posted...
They even copy pasted FF4 music that's how uninspired the game was


Wow, two songs in the game's entire soundtrack (and only for a bonus superboss that was clearly intended to be a reference to FF)

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Balrog0
07/16/20 11:32:53 PM
#79:


I agree it's weird having square style characters in a Mario game. I don't think it works as well as the paper mario cast

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dmaster342
07/16/20 11:35:43 PM
#80:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Sticker Star, the worst game in the franchise, sold more than every other Paper Mario game. This series aint dying anytime soon.

Actually SPM sold the most so keep defending a shitty series that needs. to. die.

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Blue_Inigo
07/16/20 11:40:33 PM
#81:


dmaster342 posted...
Actually SPM sold the most so keep defending a shitty series that needs. to. die.
Ah you're right. It's just the second best selling game beating out our beloved TTYD and 64. Series that sell millions dont get killed off like that. Keep dreaming

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DoctorPiranha3
07/16/20 11:43:54 PM
#82:


Blue_Inigo posted...

Ah you're right. It's just the second best selling game beating out our beloved TTYD and 64. Series that sell millions dont get killed off like that. Keep dreaming

3DS was way more popular than N64 and especially gamecube, PM64 and TTYD had the highest attach rate (copies sold compared to systems sold), Sticker Star was easily accessible, and it was ending a long drought of Paper Mario and no one at the time knew that they turned Paper Mario into dogshit.

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viewmaster_pi
07/16/20 11:44:05 PM
#83:


the "no original characters" rule explains a lot for SPM, but it worked for it

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BroodRyu
07/16/20 11:45:26 PM
#84:


The dont want to do the same thing again

I keep pointing this part out. This logic makes less than zero sense, Nintendo. Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King are cut from the same cloth. Youre doing the same thing.
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DoctorPiranha3
07/16/20 11:46:35 PM
#85:


BroodRyu posted...
The dont want to do the same thing again

I keep pointing this part out. This logic makes less than zero sense, Nintendo. Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King are cut from the same cloth. Youre doing the same thing.

Nevermind these are the same developers that make Fire Emblem, which basic core gameplay really hasn't changed much at all since the literal NES.

Dumbass liars.
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Blue_Inigo
07/16/20 11:53:44 PM
#86:


BroodRyu posted...
The dont want to do the same thing again

I keep pointing this part out. This logic makes less than zero sense, Nintendo. Sticker Star, Color Splash, and Origami King are cut from the same cloth. Youre doing the same thing.
I want you to take a goooood look at Sticker Star and then look Origami King. They are very very different games

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BakonBitz
07/17/20 12:23:00 AM
#87:


Blue_Inigo posted...

I want you to take a goooood look at Sticker Star and then look Origami King. They are very very different games

Yeah, I agree. Just because it shares the lack of creative NPCs and the papercraft aesthetic doesn't mean it's just Sticker Star again. There's plenty gameplay-wise to separate it from Sticker Star and Color Splash.
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Balrog0
07/17/20 8:51:42 AM
#88:


Blue_Inigo posted...
I want you to take a goooood look at Sticker Star and then look Origami King. They are very very different games

What's so new about it?

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Tyranthraxus
07/17/20 10:11:06 AM
#89:


Balrog0 posted...
What's so new about it?

Well they got rid of stickers for one.

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Tyranthraxus
07/17/20 10:12:58 AM
#90:


Don't resign from anything until you've signed a job offer elsewhere.

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Balrog0
07/17/20 10:29:51 AM
#91:


Tyranthraxus posted...
Well they got rid of stickers for one.

Isn't that more like removing something than adding something?

I'm just curious, the big difference seems to be the ring system thing in the battles to me but obviously there could be more I'm not thinking of

Tyranthraxus posted...
Don't resign from anything until you've signed a job offer elsewhere.

Wat

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Tyranthraxus
07/17/20 11:32:43 AM
#92:


Balrog0 posted...
Wat
Somehow I posted that in the wrong topic.

Balrog0 posted...
Isn't that more like removing something than adding something?

They didn't just remove it though. They added something new to replace stickers. There's not just the ring system but some enemies are fought on the field as well which is a dramatic departure kind of mixing up a little of Super Paper Mario into the mix.

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Smashingpmkns
07/17/20 11:34:16 AM
#93:


I've played a few hours last night. Its actually pretty damn good and the writing is incredibly charming and funny. The combat is engaging and the best it's been in a long time.
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Stallion_Prime
07/17/20 11:35:34 AM
#94:


Nintendo needs to be shut down

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Herodopus
07/17/20 11:37:53 AM
#95:


Smashingpmkns posted...
I've played a few hours last night. Its actually pretty damn good and the writing is incredibly charming and funny. The combat is engaging and the best it's been in a long time.
You were fanboying this game up hard prior to release so double doubt son
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Smashingpmkns
07/17/20 11:42:23 AM
#96:


Herodopus posted...
Smashingpmkns posted...
I've played a few hours last night. Its actually pretty damn good and the writing is incredibly charming and funny. The combat is engaging and the best it's been in a long time.
You were fanboying this game up hard prior to release so double doubt son

Nah I just didnt blindly hate it like most of you lol
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Blue_Inigo
07/17/20 11:53:09 AM
#97:


Balrog0 posted...
What's so new about it?
Sticker Star and Color Splash had you pick zones to teleport to from a world map like old school Mario Bros. This game has a central hub that you travel to and just like Rogueport and Toad Town.
There are a lot of adventure elements in Origami King. You have open areas you can roam around in and do stuff like the boat in the ocean and some shoe vehicle in the desert.

The gameplay is pretty different. Sticker Star had the issue where fighting random battles was pointless and robbed you of items needed for bosses. This doesn't have that.


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dmaster342
07/17/20 12:10:27 PM
#98:


Blue_Inigo posted...
Series that sell millions dont get killed off like that. Keep dreaming

Series selling millions die all the time. F-Zero (last game 16 years ago), Nintendogs (last game eleven years ago), Golden Sun (last game ten years ago), Kid Icarus (last game eight years ago). Tthe list goes on and on and on. In the timespan of most of the last games in all these series, there has been literally three dog-shit Paper Mario games. Sales mean nothing and you're an idiot defending one of the worst Nintendo series of all time (IMO) right now.

Blue_Inigo posted...
Ah you're right.

The smartest thing you've ever said.

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Blue_Inigo
07/17/20 12:15:51 PM
#99:


I cant imagine being such a manchild over a multimillion dollar selling franchise existing. I'd be embarrassed if I were you. Sorry bub, Sticker Star sold better than most games that you like and PM aint going anywhere. I also cant imagine spouting such hyperbole about the Paper Mario franchise. It has one bad game.

Origami King has favorable reviews and will probably sell well. Guess you better deal with it

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BroodRyu
07/17/20 12:16:28 PM
#100:


So what does Origami King do differently that makes its battles less pointless?
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