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Tyranthraxus
07/12/20 5:03:58 PM
#51:


KCJ5062 posted...
Where the heck have you been?

Watching the movie along with millions of other people. \_()_/

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rexcrk
07/12/20 5:42:31 PM
#52:


SwayM posted...
The funny thing is they already had a universe there with the Nolan films but decided to reboot it for no reason.
I mean... Nolan told his story. Not everything is a grand cinematic universe.

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marc55
07/12/20 5:53:43 PM
#53:


DrizztLink posted...
It's pretty easy to DC fanboy if you stick to animation.

They're killing it there.

Even that Harley Quinn show is pretty great, evidently.
no love for doom patrol?

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KiwiTerraRizing
07/12/20 6:02:31 PM
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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
A bunch of the Batman movies are fucking awesome, so they got that going on.

Batman 1989, Batman Returns and The Dark Knight are the only good ones.

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s0nicfan
07/12/20 6:04:21 PM
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Reminds me of the old meme (from before WW, obviously):


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SwayM
07/12/20 6:19:35 PM
#56:


rexcrk posted...
I mean... Nolan told his story. Not everything is a grand cinematic universe.

This is like the third post like this in this topic. Did yall not watch The Dark Knight Rises?

why set up Robin at the very end and say there was nowhere to go.

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rexcrk
07/12/20 6:23:14 PM
#57:


SwayM posted...
This is like the third post like this in this topic. Did yall not watch The Dark Knight Rises?

why set up Robin at the very end and say there was nowhere to go.
Maybe just to show that there would be someone else to protect Gotham?

Again, not everything needs to be a grand cinematic universe.

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KCJ5062
07/12/20 6:24:01 PM
#58:


s0nicfan posted...
Reminds me of the old meme (from before WW, obviously):

Well I think prior to Wonder Woman coming out, studios were cynical about female superhero heroes because of the failures of Catwoman and Elektra. Of course that was just a cheap excuse because the main factor of those films is that they weren't good which is why they flopped.

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SwayM
07/12/20 6:25:59 PM
#59:


rexcrk posted...
Maybe just to show that there would be someone else to protect Gotham?

Again, not everything needs to be a grand cinematic universe.

Youre right not everything needs to be but if youre gonna do it u should do it right.

DC had a decent framework to go off


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KCJ5062
07/12/20 6:26:12 PM
#60:


SwayM posted...
This is like the third post like this in this topic. Did yall not watch The Dark Knight Rises?

why set up Robin at the very end and say there was nowhere to go.

What would be the point of having a DCEU if the dark knight himself wasn't going to appear?

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SwayM
07/12/20 6:29:43 PM
#61:


KCJ5062 posted...
What would be the point of having a DCEU if the dark knight himself wasn't going to appear?

Who said he wouldnt.

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Darmik
07/12/20 6:38:53 PM
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The Dark Knight Rises was specifically made by Nolan to cut off any potential for him being asked to come back. It was most certainly a finale. Once Ledger died any cinematic universe launching off of the Nolan movies died with him.

Funnily enough GOTG3 has been Disney's biggest fumble with the MCU so far since that movie should have been pretty much done by now. Now they've gotta wait until Gunn is done with The Suicide Squad.

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KCJ5062
07/12/20 6:38:56 PM
#63:


SwayM posted...
Who said he wouldnt.

Well Bruce retired from being Batman and have moved on to start a new life with Selina. He had a happy ending there so why ruin it?

And again, Bale stated he wasn't interested in reprising Batman afterwards.


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FortuneCookie
07/12/20 8:16:06 PM
#64:


SwayM posted...
Did we forget how the MCU got its start?

With Iron Man. Now it may be hard to go back and look at that movie in a vacuum but it also released in 2008 the same year as The Dark Knight. And we all looked at Iron Man as a very grounded, realistic depiction of a Super Hero. Thats kind of what made the MCU so exciting was that it felt like, for some degree anyway, it wasnt a completely out to lunch Superhero film. It felt real in a lot of ways.

So then it became super interesting with questions of How are they going to do Thor? Or hell Doctor Strange. So far theres been no express magic shown. And even Dr Strange introduced magic in a way that felt true to the series.

Now I think weve gotten to the point in the MCU where theres nothing they cant do and audiences really dont care.

But anyway my point is they could have easily done the same thing branching off from Nolans Batman.

Batman could've easily had the Riddler or the Penguin as his first opponent. In choosing a centuries old demon as their first antagonist and revealing that he's actually a hoax, they made deliberate point that this Batman existed in a world without science fiction elements or the supernatural. The Dark Knight Rises feels a little out of place when compared with the first film of the trilogy. The whole "raise the temperature" notion doesn't work when the series begins with a declaration that it's super-grounded.

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TheoryzC
07/12/20 8:25:15 PM
#65:


s0nicfan posted...
Reminds me of the old meme (from before WW, obviously):
I always found this meme to be so damn dumb. Like movies with talking plants and animals never been a thing

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pegusus123456
07/13/20 1:39:37 AM
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The comparison to Iron Man doesn't really hold up because that movie isn't all that grounded in reality either. The Iron Man suit itself is far more unrealistic than anything in the Nolan movies.

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SwayM
07/13/20 2:23:24 AM
#67:


pegusus123456 posted...
The comparison to Iron Man doesn't really hold up because that movie isn't all that grounded in reality either. The Iron Man suit itself is far more unrealistic than anything in the Nolan movies.

It is unrealistic but its explained to the audience in a way that feels somewhat grounded

Its no more unrealistic then any of the technology Batman has. Remember that weird hacking scene in the Dark Knight?

https://youtu.be/IRELLH86Edo

Or how about just the idea of the bat suit. How a thin cape can support the frame of a 250 pound man and allow him to glide gently into the night.

Theres a lot of unrealistic shit about three movies. But thats not the point. They both ground themselves enough to immerse you in their reality.

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Darmik
07/13/20 2:33:09 AM
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I think they could have still launched a cinematic universe after Batman Begins and TDK if they really wanted to. Superman being known to the world after the events of those movies could probably work. Especially since a theme of those movies were escalation anyway. Arrow followed a similar trajectory but that always was a cheesy CW show so people were fine with the sort of retconning that show did.

But TDKR killed it. I think that was designed on purpose. Ledger died. Bale and Nolan did one movie to wrap it up and they were done. There was no point launching a cinematic universe from them at that point.

The other issue really is that Iron Man always had MCU roots in with its design. The Nolan movies never did. It was always going to be something thought of after the fact. But tbh yeah I think Warner Bros would have paid the big bucks to keep Bale and Ledger around for more movies because of how crazy successful TDK was.

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pegusus123456
07/13/20 3:15:40 AM
#69:


SwayM posted...
It is unrealistic but its explained to the audience in a way that feels somewhat grounded
I mean, not really. The arc reactor may as well be magic.

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Tyranthraxus
07/13/20 3:38:01 AM
#70:


Darmik posted...
But tbh yeah I think Warner Bros would have paid the big bucks to keep Bale and Ledger around for more movies because of how crazy successful TDK was.

They probably would have needed a lot of big bucks for that one. How much money do you need to bribe God?

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AlisLandale
07/13/20 7:25:28 AM
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Honestly, a TDK meets Superman would be hella interesting, because Supermans very existence would be a nuke that totally obliterates everything that world thought it knew. Seeing how Batman and the villains of that universe react to Superman would be really cool.

But beyond that one concept story, I wouldnt be interested in a shared universe based on TDK.

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ThisGuyAreSick
07/13/20 7:36:09 AM
#72:


FortuneCookie posted...
Nolan Batman exists in a world where the supernatural doesn't exist and science fiction elements are kept to a minimum. It wouldn't have worked.

It'd be like having a series of Scooby Doo movies where the monsters are all people in costume -- then suddenly doing a shared universe with Dracula, the Wolfman, and Frankenstein's Monster.


Are we just going to ignore Iron Man 1?
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FortuneCookie
07/13/20 9:37:19 AM
#73:


ThisGuyAreSick posted...
Are we just going to ignore Iron Man 1?

It's pretty grounded, but the post-credits sequence hooks the fact that the other Avengers exist. Some of which are supernatural. Going by that monsters comparison I used earlier, this would be like a Phantom of the Opera movie which ends with a cameo from the vampire-hunter from Dracula. If a vampire-hunter exists, so must a vampire.

And Iron Man is still a bit more far-fetched than what Batman Begins and The Dark Knight were. We have a flying man in a suit of armor. By comparison, that makes Batman's echo-location bat-summoner thing look like something that could actually exist.

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marc55
07/13/20 10:47:00 PM
#74:


TheoryzC posted...
I always found this meme to be so damn dumb. Like movies with talking plants and animals never been a thing

dont get it

why do you think is dumb
do you know any superhero movie with talking plants and animals before the guardians of the galaxy ?

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bloodyarts
07/13/20 10:58:50 PM
#75:


ImAMarvel posted...
I ended up hating [Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.1], but went into it with decently high expectations. [V]ol. 2 was much better imo.
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Tyranthraxus
07/13/20 11:36:37 PM
#76:


marc55 posted...
dont get it

why do you think is dumb
do you know any superhero movie with talking plants and animals before the guardians of the galaxy ?

Meteor man.

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Darmik
07/13/20 11:53:00 PM
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The villain of Halo is a giant talking plant who speaks in riddles.

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SwayM
07/14/20 2:36:00 AM
#78:


bloodyarts posted...
Same.

I completely missed this post earlier.

This is a take

I think Guardians 2 is tired with Hulk as the worst movie in the MCU.

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TheoryzC
07/14/20 2:48:04 AM
#79:


marc55 posted...
dont get it

why do you think is dumb
do you know any superhero movie with talking plants and animals before the guardians of the galaxy ?
a bunch of non superhero movies had both these things

it's supposed to be different when it's a superhero movie?


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SwayM
07/14/20 2:58:10 AM
#80:


Darmik posted...
The villain of Halo is a giant talking plant who speaks in riddles.

Sorry. What reality do you live in that anyone takes video games seriously?

TheoryzC posted...
a bunch of non superhero movies had both these things

it's supposed to be different when it's a superhero movie?

How do you not get this?

Its been talked about 2 or 3 times now in this topic. The MCU was built on a very grounded depiction of super heroes. The idea of bringing a talking tree and raccoon into the fold was a leap to say the least.

One of the biggest gambles and payoffs in movie history though.

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pegusus123456
07/14/20 3:31:49 AM
#81:


SwayM posted...
The MCU was built on a very grounded depiction of super heroes
It wasn't though. Even if we agree with you that Iron Man is as grounded as the Nolan Batman movies, it still had the post-credits hook to indicate that this world is not as grounded as it was initially portrayed. It was indicating from the very beginning that there was a bigger, most fantastical world.

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SwayM
07/14/20 3:50:43 AM
#82:


pegusus123456 posted...
It wasn't though. Even if we agree with you that Iron Man is as grounded as the Nolan Batman movies, it still had the post-credits hook to indicate that this world is not as grounded as it was initially portrayed. It was indicating from the very beginning that there was a bigger, most fantastical world.

Were not that far off the same page here.

Theres a reason why Iron Man never saw Fin Fang Foom or a comic accurate depiction of the Manderin.

There was a barrier of disbelief that the MCU rode, and probably still exists to some extent. Even characters like Mysterio have been given an MCU spin to make them work in this Universe. The road to get to things like Dr Strange, Ant Man, Guardians, etc has been a slow methodical one. Yeah it was set up to go places. But it never shot its wad too early.

Its not hard to see that Feige and whoever else is orchestrating the MCU wants the films to have weigh so its not complete mindless bullshit (what the haters would have you believe anyway). Theyre structured and paced out so the suspension of disbelief in this Universe wasnt immediately shattered by something so out to lunch.


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Teh_Dr_Phil
07/14/20 3:51:51 AM
#83:


Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...
A bunch of the Batman movies are fucking awesome, so they got that going on.
They have two good ones and they both came from Nolan.

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Looked gf
07/14/20 4:07:08 AM
#84:


TheoryzC posted...
I always found this meme to be so damn dumb. Like movies with talking plants and animals never been a thing

Way to miss the point lol

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Darmik
07/14/20 4:08:44 AM
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What was grounded about The Incredible Hulk? That's the second movie in the MCU universe. Thor was also in the first wave of movies.

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TheoryzC
07/14/20 4:40:07 AM
#86:


Looked gf posted...
Way to miss the point lol
I get the point completely

Making a Wonder Woman movie shouldn't have been seen as risky but at they same time people need to stop with the talking tree/talking raccoon shit as if thats a risk to have both those things in a movie. And that says more about the meme then what people should people should be talking about which is Marvel taking a chance on a super unknown property of theres


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