Current Events > Marvel: Literally doing a third Guardians of the Galaxy movie...

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DC: Couldnt even do a Batman v Superman Movie right. Or justice League. Or Suicide Squad with Will Smith and Margot Robbie

Could you imagine them trying to do a Cyborg movie?

Hard to be a DC fanboy these days.


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A bunch of the Batman movies are fucking awesome, so they got that going on.

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Jeff AKA Snoopy posted...

A bunch of the Batman movies are fucking awesome, so they got that going on.

The funny thing is they already had a universe there with the Nolan films but decided to reboot it for no reason.

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It's pretty easy to DC fanboy if you stick to animation.

They're killing it there.

Even that Harley Quinn show is pretty great, evidently.

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SwayM posted...

Hard to be a DC fanboy these days.

idk u just gotta ask @Tyranthraxus his secret

DrizztLink posted...

It's pretty easy to DC fanboy if you stick to animation.

They're killing it there.

Even that Harley Quinn show is pretty great, evidently.

Take what you can get I guess.

Ive been skeptical of DCs animation since I heard so many people praise Under the Red Hood as if it the animated equivalent of The Dark Knight and found it painfully mediocre.

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Problem is they didn't take their time developing the DCU.

They basically went from Iron Man to Avengers lite.

Most of the better recieved films are solo.

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Reis posted...

idk u just gotta ask @Tyranthraxus his secret

I am not a DC fanboy.

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SwayM posted...

The funny thing is they already had a universe there with the Nolan films but decided to reboot it for no reason.

Aside from what happened in TDKR, there's no way to make the Nolan movies the kick-off for the rest of DC. You can't match the tone of those movies with something like Wonder Woman or Cyborg.

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The fact that weve gotten 3 GotG movies and in that same span of time, DC cant even put out a single sequel to Superman is depressing af.

At least Wonder Woman happened >_>

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SwayM posted...

Take what you can get I guess.

Ive been skeptical of DCs animation since I heard so many people praise Under the Red Hood as if it the animated equivalent of The Dark Knight and found it painfully mediocre.

Redhood isn't part of the dcau, it came out before the shared universe was established. Flashpoint paradox was the reboot and everything after that has been sequentially connected

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I pretty much assumed when I heard about it that Guardians of the Galaxy was going to bomb, and be one of the worst movies in the MCU, and no one was really gonna go see it because the characters weren't nearly as mainstream. It honestly kind of made me feel like watching Star Wars for the first time again, and it was pretty incredible the quality and the characters that they built from a very lesser known group. And it did blow up, because it was really good and humorous. I don't have a concept of how difficult that would be to do as a filmmaker but I appreciate the effort.

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To me all the Marvel movies are on the same level as Batman vs Superman. It's all mainstream generic predictable superhero mediocre garbage.

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SwayM posted...

Could you imagine them trying to do a Cyborg movie?

It would be Song of the South with robots.

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Batfleck movies would have been great

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SwayM posted...

The funny thing is they already had a universe there with the Nolan films but decided to reboot it for no reason.

Eh, most of the people involved with that trilogy probably wouldn't want to be part of a big crossover franchise like that.

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Nolan Batman exists in a world where the supernatural doesn't exist and science fiction elements are kept to a minimum. It wouldn't have worked.

It'd be like having a series of Scooby Doo movies where the monsters are all people in costume -- then suddenly doing a shared universe with Dracula, the Wolfman, and Frankenstein's Monster.

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ImAMarvel posted...

Ironically, I ended up hating the movie but went into it with decently high expectations. vol. 2 was much better imo.

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DC: Gritty Christopher Nolan Batman movies and gritty Joker movie
Also DC: Literally everything else

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

but scooby doo actually did that tho

and the wwe people in scoobyverse had real feats of strength too like john cena catching a giant ass boulder and tossing it like nothing

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0Renegade posted...

and the wwe people in scoobyverse had real feats of strength too like john cena catching a giant ass boulder and tossing it like nothing

Shut up, the WWE? Lol.

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jeffhardyb0yz posted...

but scooby doo actually did that tho

Scooby Doo had a cartoon series in which the monsters were all revealed to have natural explanations. The live action movies always had real monsters.

0Renegade posted...

and the wwe people in scoobyverse had real feats of strength too like john cena catching a giant ass boulder and tossing it like nothing

I'm pretty sure John Cena can do that in real life. <_<

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Mcufanboi: *had 23 movies he can talk about*
Mcufanboi: I hate these things that have nothing to do with what I like!

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I still cant believe how badly they screwed everything up. Quality aside they waited far to long to release batman v superman hell I'm confident they could have released the movie a year prior.

That and not only did that movie fail at world building completely but its ending killed any possibility of it in the first place. Aside from old man batman. Synder tried to make a amazingly deep film but he didnt know these character, which is a issue you can only get away with during the origin storys.

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FortuneCookie posted...

Nolan Batman exists in a world where the supernatural doesn't exist and science fiction elements are kept to a minimum. It wouldn't have worked.

It'd be like having a series of Scooby Doo movies where the monsters are all people in costume -- then suddenly doing a shared universe with Dracula, the Wolfman, and Frankenstein's Monster.

Did we forget how the MCU got its start?

With Iron Man. Now it may be hard to go back and look at that movie in a vacuum but it also released in 2008 the same year as The Dark Knight. And we all looked at Iron Man as a very grounded, realistic depiction of a Super Hero. Thats kind of what made the MCU so exciting was that it felt like, for some degree anyway, it wasnt a completely out to lunch Superhero film. It felt real in a lot of ways.

So then it became super interesting with questions of How are they going to do Thor? Or hell Doctor Strange. So far theres been no express magic shown. And even Dr Strange introduced magic in a way that felt true to the series.

Now I think weve gotten to the point in the MCU where theres nothing they cant do and audiences really dont care.

But anyway my point is they could have easily done the same thing branching off from Nolans Batman.

I Like Toast posted...

Mcufanboi: *had 23 movies he can talk about*
Mcufanboi: I hate these things that have nothing to do with what I like!

lol, small brain take

I want all Superhero movies to succeed. Especially characters as important as Batman and Superman.

So yeah Ill talk all day about how DC failed while trying to follow on Marvels footsteps


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Imagine playing Comik Warzz in 2020.

Imagine.

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SwayM posted...

Now I think weve gotten to the point in the MCU where theres nothing they cant do and audiences really dont care.

Exactly, it's all about perception. DC's shit isn't any worse than Marvel's worst, and Marvel's best is still pretty meh compared to other movies... audiences just give the MCU a pass and are more critical of DC

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I find it hard to care about Marvel post Endgame. Give me a new cinematic universe to get invested it

Hinakuluiau posted...

Exactly, it's all about perception. DC's shit isn't any worse than Marvel's worst, and Marvel's best is still pretty meh compared to other movies... audiences just give the MCU a pass and are more critical of DC

This is the worst take thus far in the topic.

Marvel got to this point because theyve made so many awesome movies with characters that had no right to be that interesting or well loved. That now audiences are just like let the chef cook. You dont just make 20 great films without people trusting that you know what youre doing.

DC cant make their most universally recognized and loved heroes work. Theyre not the same in any way.

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We disagree about Marvel having "20 great films." You have a handful of good ones, a few bad ones, and a sea of mediocrity.
They're not what I would call good movies, but I liked Man of Steel and Batman v Superman -- they were about on par with average MCU movies.

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Yikes

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Hinakuluiau posted...

We disagree about Marvel having "20 great films." You have a handful of good ones, a few bad ones, and a sea of mediocrity.

No, no, no. You should like the generic plots that are a chase to a special object lead by a smartass who needs to learn a lesson, leading up to a big finale of a CGI fest that ages terrible
How dare you criticize them

That's okay. They kick Marvel's ass in TV, Comics and Cartoons.

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Remember before the first GotG movie was made and everybody thought that it would be a waste of time, that it would be the lowest point of the MCU?

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theres nothing funnier than how bitter and passive aggressive people get over marvel being so successful

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ultimate reaver posted...

theres nothing funnier than how bitter and passive aggressive people get over marvel being so successful

It's fucking weird.

I love Marvel and DC. It's so weird that fanboys are still a thing.

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Foppe posted...

Remember before the first GotG movie was made and everybody thought that it would be a waste of time, that it would be the lowest point of the MCU?

No

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ultimate reaver posted...

theres nothing funnier than how bitter and passive aggressive people get over marvel being so successful

I'm not bitter, I just think it's sad that Marvel fanboys think their movies are that much better than DC's

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Its kind of amazing how the 80/90s Batman movies and Nolan Batman movies both take a huge drop off in quality after the 2nd movie.

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Hinakuluiau posted...

I'm not bitter, I just think it's sad that Marvel fanboys think their movies are that much better than DC's

It's not just "marvel fanboys" that think that lol. its the general consensus among people in general

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When the comic book movie craze started in the 00s, if you were to say that an Aquaman movie would have not only been better received, but also make more money than a movie starring Batman and Superman, people would have laughed at you.

DC's problem is it seemed like they were trying too hard to catch up with Marvel. What they should have done is before BVS, they should have made a solo Batman film and maybe a Man Of Steel sequel. Then after BVS, along with Wonder Woman, also have Aquaman and Flash in their own films in order to better establish their characters before teaming up in Justice League.

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Batman V Superman could of worked if it was a good movie. Everyone and their mom knows those characters, they don't need to be established.

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SwayM posted...

The funny thing is they already had a universe there with the Nolan films but decided to reboot it for no reason.

Nolan's Batman was planned to end with TDKR. And I don't think Christian Bale was interested in playing Batman again afterwards.

Tyranthraxus posted... No

Where the heck have you been? Because that's exactly what people were saying when it was announced they would be doing a Guardians movie. Their main reasons being the characters not being popular enough and because of characters like Rocket Raccoon and Groot. The former argument never really made sense as if being popular beforehand was a requirement, then it would mean that no original movie can ever be successful as it features characters no one knew nor cared about. Hell prior to his movie Iron Man was an unknown B-lister among non comic readers and he started the MCU. As a matter of fact, Ant-Man was even lesser known and the original plan was to launch the MCU with him instead of Iron Man.

And if audiences could handle something like a 7 foot anthropomorphic dog-like creature that doesn't even speak a language that the viewer can understand, I'm not sure what gave people the idea that a talking raccoon and a talking tree would be the breaking point for others.


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The problem with DC's movie universe is they kicked it off with probably the two worst source material to start a universe off with, those being Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns.

What is the actual endgame (no pun intended) if Superman already died in his second movie appearance and Batman is already a jaded asshole? That's like if Marvel killed off Iron-Man in the first Avengers movie.

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RchHomieQuanChi posted...

The problem with DC's movie universe is they kicked it off with probably the two worst source material to start a universe off with, those being Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns.

What is the actual endgame (no pun intended) if Superman already died in his second movie appearance and Batman is already a jaded asshole? That's like if Marvel killed off Iron-Man in the first Avengers movie.

The Avengers could always go to another universe and pick up a teenage Tony Stark, then have him for four movies before all superheroes are killed.
...and then we discover that Franklin Richards recreated them in a pocket universe and then popped them back into reality, and suddenly we got an adult Tony Stark again.

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KarmaMuffin posted...

No, no, no. You should like the generic plots that are a chase to a special object lead by a smartass who needs to learn a lesson, leading up to a big finale of a CGI fest that ages terrible
How dare you criticize them

FWIW, Marvel's strength has never been the complexity of their plots, but rather their characters. One of the best scenes in Age of Ultron was the Avengers just chilling at a party, precisely because of how likable their characters are.

That's one thing the DCEU failed at. Nobody cared about their characters until Wonder Woman came out.

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This topic could have fit perfectly in 2015-2016

Now? Nah.

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