Current Events > Black man asks for supervisor at traffic stop, cop pulls gun on him.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hnlpy0/black_guy_at_dui_checkpoint_gun_pulled_cop_gets/

Scary.
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Half way and it looks more like the guy is just being a Karen.

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Lamo he destroyed that cop.

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Veggeta X posted...

Half way and it looks more like the guy is just being a Karen.

Maybe he thought acting like a white woman would help him go free.
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wow, he actually convinced someone that the 4th amendment hasn't actually been repealed yet. I'm stunned.

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Veggeta X posted...

Half way and it looks more like the guy is just being a Karen.

Act like a Karen, get shot. Totally justified.
/just fake vegy post

Fake news. Video starts after the gun is already pulled.

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The cop drew his gun cause the guy had a gun holstered in the car, most likely on his hip.

Probably safe to assume he didn't tell the cops he had a gun considering his general attitude about providing them any information.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Probably safe to assume he didn't tell the cops he had a gun

he literally did, on camera, in a way that made it clear it wasn't the first time.

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So in general, if you're pulled over while driving with reasonable cause, and a police officer asks for ID and registration, you are required to give that info to the police officer. An alternative is the officer looking up your information, either in their police cars or by bringing you down to the precinct to verify your identity and vehicle registration. However, if you're illegally pulled over, you are not required to show ID or registration.

In this case, this was a DUI checkpoint. Unfortunately, the US supreme court has found that DUI checkpoints are legal, and that a motorist must answer the basic questions and provide ID during said stop. Some states, however, passed specific laws to outlaw this; while others passed laws to make it legal under specific circumstances (e.g., must be done at night, must be advertised that there will be a DUI checkpoint, etc.).

So if this driver was in a state that made it illegal for a DUI checkpoint, he was full within his rights to refuse to answer and refuse to hand over his ID and registration. But all other states, the driver was wrong.

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Medussa posted...

he literally did, on camera, in a way that made it clear it wasn't the first time.

He acknowledged he had a gun after it was already seen. That's not the same thing as telling them he was armed. Which should be the first thing out of your mouth during a traffic stop.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

He acknowledged he had a gun after it was already seen. That's not the same thing as telling them he was armed. Which should be the first thing out of your mouth during a traffic stop.

He could've never once mentioned it and the cop still would've been badly in the wrong for pulling a gun.

this guy had some balls. this could have gone down like a repeat of that Philando Castile shooting. either this dude is better at speechcraft or this cop was less stupid and/or insane than the one that murdered Castile.

RadiantAdolin posted...

He could've never once mentioned it and the cop still would've been badly in the wrong for pulling a gun.

Cops are pretty sketched out if someone doesn't tell them about guns in the car, and for good reason

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Solid Snake07 posted...

He acknowledged he had a gun after it was already seen. That's not the same thing as telling them he was armed. Which should be the first thing out of your mouth during a traffic stop.

rewatched. you might be right. it wasn't phrased quite like i thought.

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What does his race have to do with anything?


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WingsOfGood posted...

Act like a Karen, get shot. Totally justified.
/just fake vegy post

Hmm wonder where I even implied or said that.

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OH

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Cops are pretty sketched out if someone doesn't tell them about guns in the car, and for good reason

Being sketched out is not justification for pulling a gun.

RadiantAdolin posted...

Being sketched out is not justification for pulling a gun.

Fear that someone could be a leathal threat is actually the reason to draw your weapon

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Fear that someone could be a leathal threat is actually the reason to draw your weapon

Reasonable fear. Which someone not mentioning they have a gun does not create.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Fear that someone could be a leathal threat is actually the reason to draw your weapon

funny how that never applies to us (not-cops) with the cops. those with "training" get to fear for their lives, but we need to remain completely calm while we're being drawn on. doesn't quite add up.

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Veggeta X posted...

Hmm wonder where I even implied or said that.

OH

How many active posts I have on this websight is irrelevant.

Solid Snake07 posted...

Probably safe to assume he didn't tell the cops he had a gun considering his general attitude about providing them any information.

Amazing country we live in. People will fight for your right to open carry, conceal carry, whatever carry, but if you don't mention it to the cop who approached you he'd be justified if he shot you for twitching a finger without even thinking about your gun which everyone wants to be normalized.

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RadiantAdolin posted...

Reasonable fear. Which someone not mentioning they have a gun does not create.

Someone not being upfront about being armed to law enforcement is a pretty reasonable cause for concern

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VipaGTS posted...

Amazing country we live in. People will fight for your right to open carry, conceal carry, whatever carry, but if you don't mention it to the cop who approached you he'd be justified if he shot you for twitching a finger without even thinking about your gun which everyone wants to be normalized.

I mean the NRA justified Philandro Castille's murder even though he told the cop he had a gun in the car.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Probably... assume... considering

"I would understand if that cop killed that Black guy."

VipaGTS posted...

Amazing country we live in. People will fight for your right to open carry, conceal carry, whatever carry, but if you don't mention it to the cop who approached you he'd be justified if he shot you for twitching a finger without even thinking about your gun which everyone wants to be normalized.

No one said that it's a reason to be shot. It is a reason to be concerned and prepare yourself to deal with a lethal threat.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Someone not being upfront about being armed to law enforcement is a pretty reasonable cause for concern

why just law enforcement. can i just shoot someone if i happen to see a gun on their hip because they weren't "up front" about it? If people in this country want guns to be normalized and treated loosely why should they have to announce they have one? You can't allow it to be a fashion accessory in one case and then act like its a serious tool that needs to be disclosed at all times in another.

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I never really get the point of these videos. Why waste a half hour bitching at a cop for something that would otherwise take a minute? Unless there's some correlation to running info and false arrests, seems like absolutely nothing.

bloodyarts posted...

"I would understand if that cop killed that Black guy."

"He's making reasonable points.....I'll just make up a strawman so I can act smug about something he never said"

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nemu posted...

I never really get the point of these videos. Why waste a half hour bitching at a cop for something that would otherwise take a minute? Unless there's some correlation to running info and false arrests, seems like absolutely nothing.

you know that "first they came for..." poem? it applies to rights, too.

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nemu posted...

I never really get the point of these videos. Why waste a half hour bitching at a cop for something that would otherwise take a minute?

because your rights are your rights? "it'll only take a minute" is a poor excuse. That's like saying "why didn't she just flash the cop when he asked it would have only taken a minute and she wouldn't have had to deal with getting arrested". Just because this is trivial in comparison doesn't mean people should just allow cops to do things they shouldn't do for the sake of convenience.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

Someone not being upfront about being armed to law enforcement is a pretty reasonable cause for concern

Nope. If they're actively hiding and lying about it maybe, but even then alone it's still questionable. Just not mentioning it is not reasonable cause for fear.

I saw the cop talking, but all I heard was oink oink oink

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the threshold people on this website have before they believe your life is completely forfeit is so shockingly easy to pass that's it's amazing.

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VipaGTS posted...

why just law enforcement. can i just shoot someone if i happen to see a gun on their hip because they weren't "up front" about it? If people in this country want guns to be normalized and treated loosely why should they have to announce they have one? You can't allow it to be a fashion accessory in one case and then act like its a serious tool that needs to be disclosed at all times in another.

You don't have to tell them you have a gun. It's just a dumb thing to do that endangers yourself and them.

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Cop got fucking REKT.

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Solid Snake07 posted...

You don't have to tell them you have a gun. It's just a dumb thing to do that endangers yourself and them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Philando_Castile

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Solid Snake07 posted...

You don't have to tell them you have a gun. It's just a dumb thing to do that endangers yourself and them.

Or an honest mistake, or just deciding not to volunteer information, all perfectly legitimate, protected actions that a cop cannot escalate a situation over.

Solid Snake07 posted...

You don't have to tell them you have a gun. It's just a dumb thing to do that endangers yourself and them.

'a dumb thing' isn't justification for getting a gun pulled on you in this situation. someone legally carrying a gun shouldn't have a gun pointed at that them by a cop for not "disclosing" it. stop blaming the victim here. we all know how trigger happy cops can be. he'll just put "I was scared" in the report if he had acted on impulse and shot the man..and you'd defend it. that shouldn't be normalized. He has 2nd amendment rights as well too, right? what if he just didn't even think about the gun because its as common to him as his wallet is. You can't have it both ways.

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VipaGTS posted...

because your rights are your rights? "it'll only take a minute" is a poor excuse. That's like saying "why didn't she just flash the cop when he asked it would have only taken a minute and she wouldn't have had to deal with getting arrested". Just because this is trivial in comparison doesn't mean people should just allow cops to do things they shouldn't do for the sake of convenience.

That's a very poor comparison. It would be like saying you should comply to unwarranted police detainment. Those videos I can understand. If they have no right to take you out of your car, then fuck that. But papers are papers, literally a minute or two.

WingsOfGood posted...

How many active posts I have on this websight is irrelevant.

It's very relevant. It shows your credibility.

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nemu posted...

That's a very poor comparison. It would be like saying you should comply to unwarranted police detainment. Those videos I can understand. If they have no right to take you out of your car, then fuck that. But papers are papers, literally a minute or two.

no its a fine comparison. again "a minute or two" is a poor argument. If you don't need to don't allow cops to try and force you to. If cops randomly went door to door and asked for ID, arresting anyone who said no would you be ok with that?

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VipaGTS posted...

no its a fine comparison. again "a minute or two" is a poor argument. If you don't need to don't allow cops to try and force you to. If cops randomly went door to door and asked for ID, arresting anyone who said no would you be ok with that?

Think we're going down a poor quality slippery slope here, but yes, assuming there was some reasonable imperative for going door to door. If it's some kind of dick waving power move by a local station to show they have "the power," then no. If there's a murderer hiding somewhere in a neighborhood, sure, even though I don't think police would ever actually operate like that in any realistic scenario. Making it a more realistic situation, if there was some power tripping cop pulling over dozens and dozens of people every hour just to run their IDs for some random reason, then that would be an abuse of power to complain about. For someone who was stopped in a legally sanctioned stop, even if it's a legal gray area, then just fucking comply for three seconds.

nemu posted...

If it's some kind of dick waving power move by a local station to show they have "the power," then no.

that's kinda what this was. but whatever. you draw the line wherever you want. I have no problem with people drawing it where the law actually starts.

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Veggeta X posted...

It's very relevant. It shows your credibility.

I am able to say websight so I am credible.

nemu posted...

Think we're going down a poor quality slippery slope here, but yes, assuming there was some reasonable imperative for going door to door. If it's some kind of dick waving power move by a local station to show they have "the power," then no. If there's a murderer hiding somewhere in a neighborhood, sure, even though I don't think police would ever actually operate like that in any realistic scenario. Making it a more realistic situation, if there was some power tripping cop pulling over dozens and dozens of people every hour just to run their IDs for some random reason, then that would be an abuse of power to complain about. For someone who was stopped in a legally sanctioned stop, even if it's a legal gray area, then just fucking comply for three seconds.

So even though it's a grey area, the guy should comply because.. it makes the cop's job easier?

A cop needs training not to feel "threatened and terrified" every waking moment.

Why should it be up to a civilian to be perfect when dealing with cops and not the other way around?

Hell, you should be able to go as far as to yell abuse in their face and they won't be allowed to touch you, only calmly de escalate. That's the standard they should be held to.
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nemu posted...

if there was some power tripping cop pulling over dozens and dozens of people every hour just to run their IDs for some random reason, then that would be an abuse of power to complain about

if he did that to one person it be an abuse of power...and worth a complaint to that one person.

I scared for my life watching that video. What an ass clincher that was. It wouldn't have been me. I would have never texted it.

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