Current Events > Is it ok for a gay person to use the disgusting 6 letter f word?

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"Maybe it's like 'Take Back the Night'."


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Vicious_Dios posted...

I say it, and I'm straight, so...

Dude, youre an angry, backwards trailer person. No one is surprised you proudly use that word

You shouldn't say it, even if you're gay or bi or whatever. It just shouldn't be used.
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ZannoL posted...

Dude, youre an angry, backwards trailer person.

You say that, but you're always ending up being wrong.

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Are you talking about a bundle of sticks?

thrashmetal14 posted...

Are you talking about a bundle of sticks?

Yup.

nfearurspecimn posted...

You shouldn't say it, even if you're gay or bi or whatever. It just shouldn't be used.

If South Park taught me anything, yes it's fine.

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I don't think anyone should say it. It's hate speech.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

If South Park taught me anything, yes it's fine.

That was my least favorite part of South Park. I never thought that was funny.
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MabusIncarnate posted...

If South Park taught me anything, yes it's fine.

I'm sure South Park taught you lots of stupid shit.

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I'm gay and I say it. It's fine. No one likes loud obnoxious Harley riders anyway.

TheOtherMike posted...

I'm gay and I say it. It's fine. No one likes loud obnoxious Harley riders anyway.

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My gay friends say it

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TheOtherMike posted...

I'm gay and I say it. It's fine. No one likes loud obnoxious Harley riders anyway.

This guy gets it

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To me, the word f***** has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.

Freddie Mercury is gay, guys that drive like assholes in loud, obnoxious pick-up trucks or sports cars are f*****s.
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Nice to know where CE stands on homophobic slurs

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Jetblackmoon posted...

I don't think anyone should say it. It's hate speech.

:(
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Can't say it here regardless of who you are

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EffectAndCause posted...

To me, the word f***** has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.

Freddie Mercury is gay, guys that drive like assholes in loud, obnoxious pick-up trucks or sports cars are f*****s.

"Look, you might think of something else when you hear it but that's not my problem, when I say n***** I just mean..."

How does the start of that argument sound to you? The fuck makes you think you get to redefine slurs and act like that makes it okay to use them?

I've seen some gay dudes trying to reclaim it online. I heavily disagree with it, I grew up when the word was at the height of its power and it jars me whenever I see it or hear it, but if gay dudes want to reclaim the f-slur for themselves, in their own spaces, then that's their business.

Like the user admitted, it was a justified moderation. He phrased his explanation in a way to suggest that it was a power move against another user who he described as a "hetero right winger". Like other slurs, it's not accepted on gamefaqs, and he's taking the punishment in stride for what he said. Everything past that point is up to the person.

Personally, I'm all against the word. I'm cool with the LGBTQIA+ community's reclaiming of the word queer, but the f-slur is something that I heard a lot as a kid and I really, really don't like it. But you do see some people reclaiming it in their own spaces, and that's their business. I don't think GameFAQs is the place for the f-slur personally, regardless of how you feel about it, but if it's a word that the modded user is comfortable with as a gay man, then that's his business. As long as he's taking responsibility for what he said, which he is, that's all there really is to say imo.

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Tenlaar posted...

The fuck makes you think you get to redefine slurs and act like that makes it okay to use them?

The fact that im not alone in viewing the word this way at all.

Id never call a gay person a f***** just for being gay. Though if he drove a Harley and revved the engine at residential stoplights or didnt move up in the drive-thru line and left a huge space in front of him because he was texting I might.
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MrMallard posted...

I've seen some gay dudes trying to reclaim it online. I heavily disagree with it, I grew up when the word was at the height of its power and it jars me whenever I see it or hear it, but if gay dudes want to reclaim the f-slur for themselves, in their own spaces, then that's their business.

Like the user admitted, it was a justified moderation. He phrased his explanation in a way to suggest that it was a power move against another user who he described as a "hetero right winger". Like other slurs, it's not accepted on gamefaqs, and he's taking the punishment in stride for what he said. Everything past that point is up to the person.

Personally, I'm all against the word. I'm cool with the LGBTQIA+ community's reclaiming of the word queer, but the f-slur is something that I heard a lot as a kid and I really, really don't like it. But you do see some people reclaiming it in their own spaces, and that's their business. I don't think GameFAQs is the place for the f-slur personally, regardless of how you feel about it, but if it's a word that the modded user is comfortable with as a gay man, then that's his business. As long as he's taking responsibility for what he said, which he is, that's all there really is to say imo.

Ive been mostly kinda sarcastic/flippant all night... but this post was genuinely thoughtful & made me personally contemplate my own POV... thank you.
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EffectAndCause posted...

The fact that im not alone in viewing the word this way at all.

Id never call a gay person a f***** just for being gay. Though if he drove a Harley and revved the engine at residential stoplights or didnt move up in the drive-thru line and left a huge space in front of him because he was texting I might.

I see that you conveniently cut out and dodged responding to the part about how you feel about the start of the argument from somebody who doesn't mean black people when he says the n word.

DiamondAndSilk posted...

Ive been mostly kinda sarcastic/flippant all night... but this post was genuinely thoughtful & made me personally contemplate my own POV... thank you.

Did it make you think about when you said the f-word is equal to the n-word?

So by your logic, when you use it youre basically calling people the n-word?

You never did answer that.

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My gay friends use it but I never do

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On another note... was gonna address this post on the original topic but looks like its closed now:
@ZannoL posted...

Hes a trash-tier poster.

Was that specifically because of the one topic or was there ongoing animosity...? Genuinely wanna know what the beefs all about.
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troll_swag posted...

Did it make you think about when you said the f-word is equal to the n-word?

So by your logic, when you use it youre basically calling people the n-word?

You never did answer that.

I wouldnt call people the N word because Im not a black person. Ive seen black people call each other the hard R version of the N word as a joke & Im not sure how calling likely-straight ppl the F word as a gay person is any different.
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The "it only means an annoying asshole" argument is basically the "not all black people are n-words" argument. It's weak.

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hockeybub89 posted...

The "it only means an annoying asshole" argument is basically the "not all black people are n-words" argument. It's weak.

Now, Im not too crazy about anyone dropping wild F bombs, but this is a poor comparison.

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Context is everything, like with all words.

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Only if theyre rappers

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EffectAndCause posted...

To me, the word f***** has absolutely nothing to do with being gay.

Freddie Mercury is gay, guys that drive like assholes in loud, obnoxious pick-up trucks or sports cars are f*****s.

The word is levelled at all gay men, as well as people who are accused of being gay to further demean them, regardless of your intentions.

The word also has a lot of pointed history towards gay men specifically, where they weren't even deemed worthy of being burned at the stake. They just threw them into the fire beneath whoever was being executed, which is where the f-slur became synonymous with gay men - as the original definition of the word is "a bundle of sticks tied together to make a fire".

The word is like calling gay people kindling, and making light of the fact that they were burnt alive en masse. It doesn't matter how you use it, that's the historical baggage that the word has. You use it to insult a specific, bad group of people rather than to slur a whole demographic, but the word has that baggage across that entire demographic anyway.

It's like how you're not justified using the n-word to slur black people who you deem to be "the bad ones", because regardless of how you use or quantify that word, it has that wider baggage for black people as a whole. In your mind, you're just like "I just mean the ones that stab old ladies to death over $25!", but the word has been levelled against all black people as a derogatory term, and it's historically been used to demean black people as a whole.

There's no moving the goal posts to suit your needs because you want to use the word. The word is a slur to more than your narrow definition, and it has wider implications than just some narrow subset you're trying to insult. You're not justified in using a slur because you're using it to insult a wholly different subset of people that no-one likes, like people who talk too loud in public and have shitty loud vehicles. The history of the word, and the effect on the people who have traditionally been targeted by it, still remain.

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DiamondAndSilk posted...

I wouldnt call people the N word because Im not a black person. Ive seen black people call each other the hard R version of the N word as a joke & Im not sure how calling likely-straight ppl the F word as a gay person is any different.

Neither partys sexual orientation has anything to do with it. It is a hateful term that gay people have been trying to get rid of for years. Just because youre ok with it, doesnt make it ok to use, especially in a public setting where there are people who are still fighting against it. There are people who have been traumatized by that word and find it reprehensible.

Is it too much to ask that you consider the other people around you before you start hurling slurs?

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Yes, when gay people use that word its called word reclamation and socio-linguists have written lots about this concept so its not really up for debate.

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This is just the Wikipedia article but I would also recommend looking this up on Google Scholar. Lots of peer-reviewed articles about this topic exist.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reappropriation


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GameFAQs rules are stupid and the moderators are largely bad at what they do, so imo that's not even a discussion worth having.

Outside of that, sure, gay people should be able to use it. I don't identify as gay but I do have sexual and romantic relations with other men and I've been called it a bunch of times. The only time I've used it is self-referential when responding to bigots who used it against me while actively threatening me, as in "why don't you try that against this (one) and see what happens" kind of stuff.

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With that being said, a gay man using it as an insult is still clearly being shitty by doing it. I get gafemage's intentions, and if it was worth the moderation to him then whatever, but it's still a pretty fucked up word to use to insult someone knowing the weight it can carry to people who are around it.

There is a wider discussion to be had about reappropriation, but I don't think it's controversial to say that it's still shitty to use as an insult, even by a gay dude. That's all I'm gonna say on the topic - I've said my piece.

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What if you're asking for a cigarette in the UK?

Its a horrible offensive word used by horrible offensive people regardless of who says it.

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Trelve posted...

What if you're asking for a cigarette in the UK?

Then ask for a cigarette.

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Why dont we shit the meaning of the word to something else? Like have it refer to people who rev their engines in a parking lot and think that they are cool.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8hGR1ZpUPw

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Gafemage was modded for using that word. Because he's gay does it give him the right to use that word?

The word does not belong on GameFAQs under any circumstances.

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Bass_X0 posted...

Its a horrible offensive word used by horrible offensive people regardless of who says it. Its not a swear word, its a lot more deplorable than that.

Lol