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hypnox 06/25/20 5:15:13 AM #1: |
The Merch brings in so much revenue that the games took the backseat and don't get the attention they should.
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Metalsonic66 06/25/20 5:22:30 AM #2: |
Been a problem for way longer than just the last games
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Zeus 06/25/20 5:56:39 AM #3: |
hypnox posted...
The Merch brings in so much revenue that the games took the backseat and don't get the attention they should. You say that, but I can't even think what merch was out there for the last game that wasn't out there for previous ones. If anything, they seem to make less merch now. I don't see anywhere near as much as they once had. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Veedrock- 06/25/20 8:53:32 AM #4: |
Plush Pikachus and Charmanders are Gen 8's fault! Before that they were Gen 7's fault!
I'm with Zeus here, where are you seeing merchandise that's selling better than the games? --- My friends call me Vee. I'm not your friend, buddy. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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hypnox 06/25/20 9:57:28 AM #5: |
I am very confident that they get more from tee shirts, plushes, and everything else that has a pokemon on them than the video games.
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hypnox 06/25/20 9:58:47 AM #6: |
I just searched Pokemon on Amazon, the first game was Sword at number SIXTEEN.
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papercup 06/25/20 10:01:13 AM #7: |
I mean, kinda. They have this like 2-3 year development cycle, with releases planned 5-6+ years in advance. So they design and make all the merch in advance because they know what their release date is. Then because they HAVE to sell the merch they just release the game in whatever state it's in. That's why Sword is like 58% of a game because that's all they got done before they had to release it.
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 10:39:21 AM #8: |
papercup posted...
I mean, kinda. They have this like 2-3 year development cycle, with releases planned 5-6+ years in advance. So they design and make all the merch in advance because they know what their release date is. Then because they HAVE to sell the merch they just release the game in whatever state it's in. That's why Sword is like 58% of a game because that's all they got done before they had to release it.yeah this, besides plushes and shit its mainly the TCG and anime which want new content every year so they throw out games on tight schedule so they can constantly have new pokemon and characters to milk --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 06/25/20 10:40:30 AM #9: |
The game dev team has nothing to do with the merch though. Any shortfalls in game quality is down to them, not whoever is responsible for marketing
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 10:42:44 AM #10: |
FatalAccident posted...
The game dev team has nothing to do with the merch though. Any shortfalls in game quality is down to them, not whoever is responsible for marketingthe problem is that the dev team isnt in charge of the timing of the releases, and the people up top would rather die than not have a new game every year so the shortfalls in qualiity are most likely due to a lack of time (as is in most yearly release games) --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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FatalAccident 06/25/20 10:45:03 AM #11: |
TheSlinja posted...
the problem is that the dev team isnt in charge of the timing of the releases, and the people up top would rather die than not have a new game every year so the shortfalls in qualiity are most likely due to a lack of time (as is in most yearly release games)Yeah fuck me I just realised that Pokemon has become a yearly release. Thats definitely part of the problem right there --- *walks away* ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Muscles 06/25/20 11:28:51 AM #12: |
TheSlinja posted...
the problem is that the dev team isnt in charge of the timing of the releases, and the people up top would rather die than not have a new game every year so the shortfalls in qualiity are most likely due to a lack of time (as is in most yearly release games)They were doing fine up until S/M, so they have shown that yearly releases aren't the problem, I think they just got lazy because they can --- Muscles Chicago Bears | Chicago Blackhawks | Chicago Bulls | Chicago Cubs | NIU Huskies ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TigerTycoon 06/25/20 11:36:27 AM #13: |
It's more along the lines that the Pokemon franchise is more of a corporate product than anything else in general and the games are designed around this as a priority over anything else.
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 11:37:55 AM #14: |
Muscles posted...
They were doing fine up until S/M, so they have shown that yearly releases aren't the problem, I think they just got lazy because they canthere wasnt a game the year before S/M actually, the yearly release started in 2016 with S/M lol --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Judgmenl 06/25/20 11:39:23 AM #15: |
I haven't purchased Pokemon merchandise since like the 90s.
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Zeus 06/25/20 1:40:20 PM #16: |
hypnox posted...
I am very confident that they get more from tee shirts, plushes, and everything else that has a pokemon on them than the video games. That's not really my point of contention. Whether or not the merch does generate more overall is kinda academic. My question was how is this generation different from previous ones when it comes to merchandise? Especially when the merchandise offered now pales in comparison to some of those previous gens. Also the topic's entire premise is stupid because Pokemon isn't solely a game series anyway and a lot of the mentioned merch is tied to the anime, movies, etc. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helIy 06/25/20 3:46:57 PM #17: |
FatalAccident posted...
Yeah fuck me I just realised that Pokemon has become a yearly release.it pretty much has been for, uh, ever. 1996: red/green/blue 1998: yellow/red/blue/ stadium/ hey you pikachu 1999: gold/silver/stadium/pinball/ snap 2000: crystal/ stadium 2/ hey you pikachu/ puzzle challenge/ puzzle league 2002: ruby/sapphire 2003: colosseum/ ruby sapphire pinball/ channel 2004: firered/leafgreen/emerald/colosseum/ dash 2005: gale of darkness/ mystery dungeon blue red/ trozei/ dash 2006: diamond/pearl/battle revolution/mystery dungeon blue red/ ranger/ trozei 2007: battle revolution/ mystery dungeon time darkness 2008: platinum/ mystery dungeon time darkness/ ranger almia 2009: heartgold/soulsilver/ mystery dungeon sky/ rumble 2010: black/white/ ranger quardian signs 2011: rumble blast 2012: black2/white2/mystery dungeon infinity/ conquest 2013: x/y/ mystery dungeon infinity/ rumble u 2014: omegaruby/alphasapphire/ battle trozei 2015: super mystery dungeon/ rumble world/ shuffle/ pokken/ picross 2016: sun/moon/ pokken/ detective pikachu 2017: ultrasun/ultramoon/ pokken dx 2018: lets go pikachu/ lets go eevee/ detective pikachu/ quest 2019: sword/shield/ rumble rush 2020: mystery dungeon rescue team/ cafe mix there's more, i guarantee it TheSlinja posted... there wasnt a game the year before S/M actually, the yearly release started in 2016 with S/M lolhahahahahahahahahahaha @TheSlinja --- Fed unto the axioms, and I fell upon the Earth and ran. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 4:19:23 PM #18: |
im not counting spinoffs, since gamfreak had nothing to do with any of the games released in 2015 and we are talking about them
its like saying mario is a yearly rrlease franchise, you know thats not what we are talking about. --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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SpeeDLeemon 06/25/20 5:01:43 PM #19: |
Metalsonic66 posted...
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helIy 06/25/20 5:09:06 PM #20: |
if it's a pokemon game, it fully counts
if it's a mario game, it fully counts why? because it's a pokemon or mario game, like simple as that --- Fed unto the axioms, and I fell upon the Earth and ran. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 5:25:57 PM #21: |
helIy posted...
if it's a pokemon game, it fully countssorry buddy I dont think you are gonna get anyone to agree with you that pokemon has been yearly since 1996 because pokemon rumble blast came out in 2011 lmao --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 06/25/20 5:30:39 PM #22: |
TheSlinja posted...
im not counting spinoffs, since gamfreak had nothing to do with any of the games released in 2015 and we are talking about them Even if you just count the core franchise, there have only been four or five years in Pokemon's almost 25-year history when nothing came out. The idea that "now" it' s a yearly release based on the trend of the past 4 years when it's pretty much always been a yearly thing is silly especially since the "gap years" were home to other major releases related to the core franchise (like Pokemon Stadium 2 in 2001) rather than completely unrelated spinoffs (like Dash or the TCG game) And keep in mind that the production schedule has likely been toned down at times *because* some of the spinoffs were released. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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TheSlinja 06/25/20 5:33:43 PM #23: |
Zeus posted...
Even if you just count the core franchise, there have only been *four* years in Pokemon's almost 25-year history when nothing came out. The idea that "now" it' s a yearly release based on the trend of the past 4 years when it's pretty much always been a yearly thing is sillyThis I can agree with, and when you look at when the gap years happen and the games at the end of yearly streaks I think you can see some similarities in quality problems Zeus posted... especially since the "gap years" were home to other major releases related to the core franchise (like Pokemon Stadium 2 in 2001) rather than completely unrelated spinoffs (like Dash or the TCG game)the stadium games were again not made by gamefreak so I dont see why they would have a significant effect on their workload --- DIRT ON ME I'M FINNA BLOSSOM ... Copied to Clipboard!
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helIy 06/25/20 5:53:12 PM #24: |
you can literally see the entire timeline up there yourself
and i did omit the smaller pretty unknown titles i can include them if you want --- Fed unto the axioms, and I fell upon the Earth and ran. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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Zeus 06/25/20 6:27:03 PM #25: |
TheSlinja posted...
This I can agree with, and when you look at when the gap years happen and the games at the end of yearly streaks I think you can see some similarities in quality problems It's not a matter of Game Freak's workload, it's a matter of the content being provided to fans as well as likely pushes by the rest of "The Pokemon Company" to not flood the market with releases. More importantly, it's not like Game Freak was spending those gap years producing better-quality versions of Pokemon games anyway since they had other projects that kept them busy year-to-year. Pokemon isn't the the only thing the company does. Even now, the company is producing other games. As such, the "workload" excuse is a weak claim. --- (\/)(\/)|-| There are precious few at ease / With moral ambiguities / So we act as though they don't exist. ... Copied to Clipboard!
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