Current Events > You are racist if you give Nazi Germany any benefit of the doubt

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Any holocaust denial bull **** or anything refuting it{see below}

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wannsee_Conference

In addition, guess what? The germans didn't target only Jews, so yes there are survivors cough cough Russians, french, american pows,...etc that aren't Jewish

But the Germans could have won WW2 if this and that and that and rif raffff

Germany couldn't even invade England because it lacked something called a Blue Water navy so let alone how would it defeat the USA?

The German's got their asses handed to them by the russians point blank, not some dumb winter (I'm sorry did WW2 last only 1 year) or Hitler overriding his generals. If you defend Nazi Germany for any instance then yes you are a racist...end of discussion

Rant over

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Jew is a race now?

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AsianFury2020 posted...

Jew is a race now?

Anti-semites tend to think so.

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The most benefit I give is some of the soldiers, given they had no real options even if they disagreed, it's either support the nazis or get certain death at home :/

But then there were also ones gladly into it soooooo

AsianFury2020 posted...

Jew is a race now?

Judaism is a religion, but there is a racial side to it too - for example, Ashkenazi Jews are considered culturally and racially Jewish. You can be culturally Jewish atropos of nothing, but you can come from Jewish blood as a part of your heritage whether you're religious or not.

At least, that's my understanding of it.

vigorm0rtis posted...

Anti-semites tend to think so.

Not coming at this from an anti-semitic point of view for the record. I've just heard you can be culturally Jewish and racially Jewish, if not both. If I'm coming at this the wrong way, I'd like to be set straight if possible.

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Literally a topic from a Holocaust denier

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Why would the Germans have needed a blue water navy to invade across the English Channel?
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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why would the Germans have needed a blue water navy to invade across the English Channel?

have you not been to a beach before

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

The germans didn't target Jews

This is like, the Holocaust denier version of "Civil War wasn't about slavery."

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TC is a having a melty for some reason

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The same should be said for Confederacy defenders who think the Civil War was a matter of state's rights.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why would the Germans have needed a blue water navy to invade across the English Channel?

Exactly, is TC trolling?

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MrMallard posted...

Not coming at this from an anti-semitic point of view for the record. I've just heard you can be culturally Jewish and racially Jewish, if not both. If I'm coming at this the wrong way, I'd like to be set straight if possible.

I dont believe you are. I know plenty of people who consider themselves ethnically Jewish, but are not religiously Jewish. They consider themselves Secular Jews.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is like, the Holocaust denier version of "Civil War wasn't about slavery."

I forgot to put only jews, reread

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Tyranthraxus posted...

This is like, the Holocaust denier version of "Civil War wasn't about slavery."

Yeah, Jewish people were specifically targeted. They were kicked out of their homes and moved into cramped ghettoes, and their businesses and property were seized and given to Aryan Germans. There's an event called Kristallnacht where Jewish businesses were targeted and destroyed by Nazi supporters. The Nazis documented the genocide they were carrying out against the Jewish people, intending to display it as their great victory over "the enemy".

Yes, they also targeted gay and disabled people. But there was a clear effort to exterminate the Jewish population in Germany. Hitler personally vilified the Jews, a lot of their propaganda was about vilifying them, events like Kristallnacht affected them specifically and it was primarily Jewish populations who were driven out of their homes into ghettos before being taken to labor camps.

Nazi Germany certainly did target Jewish people.

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MrMallard posted...

Yeah, Jewish people were specifically targeted. They were kicked out of their homes and moved into cramped ghettoes, and their businesses and property were seized and given to Aryan Germans. There's an event called Kristallnacht where Jewish businesses were targeted and destroyed by Nazi supporters. The Nazis documented the genocide they were carrying out against the Jewish people, intending to display it as their great victory over "the enemy".

Yes, they also targeted gay and disabled people. But there was a clear effort to exterminate the Jewish population in Germany. Hitler personally vilified the Jews, a lot of their propaganda was about vilifying them, events like Kristallnacht affected them specifically and it was primarily Jewish populations who were driven out of their homes into ghettos before being taken to labor camps.

Nazi Germany certainly did target Jewish people.

well a holocaust denier is going to completely disregard that because it involves a Jewish perspective. The point of that section was to combat that selective bias by stating that there werent just Jews in the concentration camps, so you cant just simply denounce every survivor claim.

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JBaLLEN66 posted...

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Why would the Germans have needed a blue water navy to invade across the English Channel?

have you not been to a beach before

Ah yes, the famous deep water beaches
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JBaLLEN66 posted...

But the Germans could have won WW2 if this and that and that and rif raffff

JBaLLEN66 posted...

The German's got their asses handed to them by the russians point blank, not some dumb winter (I'm sorry did WW2 last only 1 year) or Hitler overriding his generals.

I don't see how the above are JBaLLEN66 posted...

defend Nazi Germany for any instance

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Irony posted...

Literally a topic from a Holocaust denier

it truly bojjles the mind

Where the janitors at

UnholyMudcrab posted...

Ah yes, the famous deep water beaches

and what do you cross to get to those beaches

not really as complicated as you're making it

JBaLLEN66 posted...

But the Germans could have won WW2 if this and that and that and rif raffff

saying the Germans could have won had certain things gone differently is not a defense of the nazis. it's just speculating about history. there is a dude who made a career out of writing alternate history novels, Harry Turtledove and one of his best books is called In the Presence of Mine Enemies. it's set in a world where Hitler won and took over the world. takes place in I think the year 2010 in Berlin and focuses on a Jewish family. the Germans think all the Jews are dead. but some remain and hide in plain sight, surviving by hiding their heretige and blending in.

What I am saying though is that just because someone speculates on different timelines and how things could have gone, doesn't mean they WISH it went that way. do you think the people who made the Amazon Prime show Man in the High Castle actually wished that America was conquered by the nazis and Japanese Empire?

you went on a similar rant, TC, last week when I said something about the civil war and how the real people behind slavery mostly stayed home on their plantations and made common folk who didn't even own slaves, go fight and die for them. I didn't even mean it as a defense of the Confederacy, in fact it was an insult to them. that the leaders were too scared to fight and had to hide behind normal people. but you took it as some "Lost Cause" thing and went on a rant and accused me of being Pro Confederacy.

some people just like to talk about history. history wasn't guaranteed to happen the way it did, and all through human history there are moments that can subjects of discussion over what if such and such thing happened instead of what actually happened and what would happen next. The scary truth is, that the Nazis ALMOST did win the war. We got very lucky. A large thanks goes to the Russians. It might have been impossible to win, if the Russians had not turned on Hitler. Also Hitler was not very smart in strategy and he often ignored his advisors. there was a lot of factors. I think if a smarter person had been Fuhrer, maybe the Nazis would rule the world right now.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

Ah yes, the famous deep water beaches

and what do you cross to get to those beaches

not really as complicated as you're making it

The English Channel has an average depth of about 200 ft. The German plan for Sea Lion was to transport troops using river barges.

I'm certainly not going to argue that Germany didn't need more ships for an invasion like that. I'm just arguing that they didn't specifically need a navy capable of wide operations and power protection. Aircraft carriers and that sort of thing.
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Golly gee I sure do hate those Holocaust deniers wink wink

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When you have to gain naval superiority over the Royal Navy you kind of do need a navy like that. So saying an invasion of England wasn't possible at the time is not wrong.

At the start of World War II, the Royal Navy was the largest in the world with over 1,400 vessels.
They lost something like 244 vessels during the war.
At the end of it, it was the second largest one with over 4,800 vessels.

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AsianFury2020 posted...

Jew is a race now?

Yeah. According to the Torah, they are all descended from one man. His name was Jacob, son of Isaac, son of Abraham.

Abraham found favor with God and was promised to have loads of descendents. His first son was named Ismael, and was Illegitimate. His wife Sarah was too old to have children (they thought) so knocked up her servant Hagar in order to fulfill the prophecy on his own. Then, sure enough, Sarah getas pregnant too and gives birth to Isaac. Isaac's descendents and Ishmael's descendants (known as the Ishmaelites) have some squabbles.

Isaac had two sons--Jacob and Easu. These two have a falling out over their father's inheritance--they were twins, and their parents each picked a favorite. Esau was also called Edom, meaning red, and as the older, he would have customarily had a much more favorable inheritance, but Jacob swindled him out of it, with his mother's help. Esau's descendants would become known as the Edomites.

Jacob is approached by a strange man in the middle of the night, who wrestles with him until sunrise. When the man sees he cannot defeat Jacob, he zaps his hip to disable him and flees to prevent Jacob from seeing his face. Before leaving, he declares that Jacob's name will from this day forward be Israel, because he struggled with God and won.

Israel had twelve sons, and via a series of events I don't have time to get into, the second-youngest, Joseph, ends up getting replaced as a son of Israel by his two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh. Simeon and Levi go on a mass killing spree and lose their inheritance as well. The inheritance now split i to eleven parts rather than twelve, Manasseh's descendants are granted two plots of land to bring the total back up to twelve.

This land would eventually come to be inhabited by the descendents of Israel, after they grew for a few centuries while living in Egypt until they outnumbered the Egyptians, which of course leads to the famous story of Moses.

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UnholyMudcrab posted...

The English Channel has an average depth of about 200 ft. The German plan for Sea Lion was to transport troops using river barges.

I'm certainly not going to argue that Germany didn't need more ships for an invasion like that. I'm just arguing that they didn't specifically need a navy capable of wide operations and power protection. Aircraft carriers and that sort of thing.

you do know modern amphibious assaults are the most complicated things in warfare right. You dont just put a bunch of men with spears and shields on wooden cogs and pray a storm doesnt ruin the voyage on the way. Yes, they happened back then but against smaller vassal kingdoms or uncivilized countries. Invading a Functioning great power nation state is virtually impossible and it is the reason the USA, Japan, and UK have been untouchable throughout history.

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