Current Events > Dark Souls doesn't seem all that difficult so far

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Just beat Asylum Demon!

It's only difficult if you aren't patient.
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it's only difficulty if you fucking suck

get good kid

I'm one of the few that actually played Demon's Souls before Dark Souls was a thing, and I found Dark Souls to be way, way easier. But I've always wondered if that was primarily because I was used to the "Souls" style. Demon's Souls was much more unforgiving - you had to navigate an entire area without dying - none of those bonfires that make Dark Souls more manageable.

That said, Demon's Souls was more exploitable. One of the bosses could literally be sniped to death without even having to fight it.


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eggcorn posted...

It's only difficult if you aren't patient.

This. there's nothing inherently difficult about Dark Souls that a good amount of practice and memorization won't get you. The first truly difficult boss fight is O+S. Even Capra Demon isn't that bad.

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eggcorn posted...

It's only difficult if you aren't patient.

This.

Other games would reward you for going in guns blazing. Dark Souls doesn't.
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LightningAce11 posted...

This.

Other games would reward you for going in guns blazing. Dark Souls doesn't.

Actually, this is precisely what I loved so much about Bloodborne.

You do legitimately have to "go in guns blazing" but with the same cleverness and preparation the Souls games require. The ability to regen the health you've lost added a lot to the combat.


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I hope they introduce an experience for casuals into the demon souls remake. Dark Souls was waaaaay too hard and everyone says demon souls is even worse

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OneThatFollows posted...

I hope they introduce an experience for casuals into the demon souls remake. Dark Souls was waaaaay too hard and everyone says demon souls is even worse

demons souls is the easiest game to cheese into oblivion and it doesn't even take much effort

OneThatFollows posted...

I hope they introduce an experience for casuals into the demon souls remake. Dark Souls was waaaaay too hard and everyone says demon souls is even worse

All they have to do is leave in the ability to have 99 of every healing item and done.

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DarkRoast posted...

Actually, this is precisely what I loved so much about Bloodborne.

You do legitimately have to "go in guns blazing" but with the same cleverness and preparation the Souls games require. The ability to regen the health you've lost added a lot to the combat.

There is nothing more satisfying than the first time you beat Father Gascoigne. God I hope Bloodborne comes to PC. It's too good of a game to languish at 720p 30fps.

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Alucard188 posted...

God I hope Bloodborne comes to PC. It's too good of a game to languish at 720p 30fps.

It would be truly amazing at 1080p+ and 60fps

It's actually my favorite of all the Souls games.


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LightningAce11 posted...

This.

Other games would reward you for going in guns blazing. Dark Souls doesn't.

This

ita considered hard by these Rambos who could run around MW2/3 with a type 95 or akimbo sawed offs.

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Father Gascoigne is an extremely well-designed fight because it's the first fight in the game that really hits home that you can't play Bloodborne like other Souls games. The previous enemies and even the Cleric Beast can be defeated with defensive play, but Gascoigne is all about riposting and keeping momentum.

It's a testament to the game's design that he seems so "hard" initially but then if you go back and fight him after learning the game's mechanics, he's almost comically easy.


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DarkRoast posted...

I'm one of the few that actually played Demon's Souls before Dark Souls was a thing, and I found Dark Souls to be way, way easier. But I've always wondered if that was primarily because I was used to the "Souls" style

I'll think you'll find that most fans of the souls series will agree that the first game you play is the hardest one. Precisely because, like you suggest, you have gotten use to the combat system.

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Dark Souls is only difficult if you don't learn from your mistakes, really.

eggcorn posted...

It's only difficult if you aren't patient.

Reis posted...

it's only difficulty if you fucking suck

R_Jackal posted...

Dark Souls is only difficult if you don't learn from your mistakes, really.

...shit. Now I'm getting a bad feeling about this.

loafy013 posted...

I'll think you'll find that most fans of the souls series will agree that the first game you play is the hardest one. Precisely because, like you suggest, you have gotten use to the combat system.

yes that is correct

I also played demons souls first so it was relatively the hardest but none of them are actually hard and in actuality demons souls is the easiest by a large margin

Reis posted...

yes that is correct

I also played demons souls first so it was relatively the hardest but none of them are actually hard and in actuality demons souls is the easiest by a large margin

I really wish they would've expanded upon that PVP boss from the Tower of Latria in Demon's Souls. That was an exceptionally clever boss fight - pulling another player from their game and making them literally the final boss of that area.


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3 - 3 was a really cool boss idea but the entire zone itself was just really not good, especially 3 - 2

hopefully the remake fixes how fucking janky the gargoyles are and doesn't have the frame drop to absolute shit in the swamp

Those Cthulhu dudes at the beginning of Tower of Latria were pure nightmare fuel

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Not to change the subject, but I really appreciated the influences Dark Souls III took from Bloodborne. I think the fusion of the two game designs made Dark Souls III feel really fresh without destroying what makes the Souls series different from Bloodborne.

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yeah, atmospherically it's a great level largely due to how freaky the enemies are but actually playing it isn't very fun

farthest I ever made it was killing the Gaping Dragon. I have never made it to the next boss after him. which i think is the spider lady. I've watched let's plays of all the games so I know what comes. but in my personal attempts i Have never seen much of the game

Gaping Dragon is only like the 5th boss in the game

OneThatFollows posted...

I hope they introduce an experience for casuals into the demon souls remake. Dark Souls was waaaaay too hard and everyone says demon souls is even worse

one thing I wish was a thing for all the Souls games was this

just make a boss rush mode. or a "pick a boss" mode. this would be done from the main menu maybe. and you can fight any boss anytime you want just to practice or for fun. as much as I suck at Dark Souls I love attempting the bosses but hate everything else in the game. I wish the game was just the boss fights. also I could probably get better at the bosses if I could just fight them over and over instantly for practice instead of having to keep making my way to them each time I die

Reis posted...

yeah, atmospherically it's a great level largely due to how freaky the enemies are but actually playing it isn't very fun

I think the boss that I am the most conflicted over is the "final" final boss in Demon's Souls. Without spoilers, at first I was super disappointed but after reading the lore, I think it's one of the best bosses ever. The point it's trying to convey is so well executed.

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Alucard188 posted...

This. there's nothing inherently difficult about Dark Souls that a good amount of practice and memorization won't get you. The first truly difficult boss fight is O+S. Even Capra Demon isn't that bad.

O&S had my heart rate through the roof. It didn't help that I really wanted orensteins armor.

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DarkRoast posted...

Reis posted...

yes that is correct

I also played demons souls first so it was relatively the hardest but none of them are actually hard and in actuality demons souls is the easiest by a large margin

I really wish they would've expanded upon that PVP boss from the Tower of Latria in Demon's Souls. That was an exceptionally clever boss fight - pulling another player from their game and making them literally the final boss of that area.

They did it in other games too. Looking Glass Knight in 2 and Halflight in 3.
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OnS is really the testing factor. Its about the halfway point and if youre getting the game you might die a few times but you wont have too much trouble.

If Dark Souls isnt for you then OnS will stomp you into oblivion

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Don't listen to the people telling you it's the hardest game ever. Definitely don't listen to the meme drones saying "git gud", if you ask for advice and get that response instead it really gets you wondering if you're at the part where the wheels have come off and the game's abandoned trying to be fair and it's all one big prank on you.

The game is for the most part (There's this one boss) fair and manageable. If you can find a way to win that's good enough. Just get a feel for how your character moves, how fast attacks come out and how much stamina they use. A lot of the time the game's a lot more about positioning and adaptability more than execution.
Hope you enjoy the game, definitely one of the best games that's come out in a long time now.

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ViewtifulJoe posted...

Don't listen to the people telling you it's the hardest game ever. Definitely don't listen to the meme drones saying "git gud", if you ask for advice and get that response instead it really gets you wondering if you're at the part where the wheels have come off and the game's abandoned trying to be fair and it's all one big prank on you.

The game is for the most part (There's this one boss) fair and manageable. If you can find a way to win that's good enough. Just get a feel for how your character moves, how fast attacks come out and how much stamina they use. A lot of the time the game's a lot more about positioning and adaptability more than execution.
Hope you enjoy the game, definitely one of the best games that's come out in a long time now.

I'm enjoying it so far, though obviously I'm only at the beginning. Movement feels a little clunky. Most of my gaming has been on Monster Hunter: World, where movement feels much smoother and more intuitive for me. I'm expecting I'll probably have a challenge here. I'm not a particularly good player and I've already died a few times. Tried killing Asylum Demon a couple times with the broken sword before it dawned on me that they probably didn't expect newbies to spend like 10+ minutes killing him with paper cuts.

You can get by on instinct for a long time but eventually you have to read attacks.


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The game is weirding me out a little with the random phantom things and strange messages. Disasters are gone after the defeat of the gravelord servant, apparently.

DarkRoast posted...

That said, Demon's Souls was more exploitable. One of the bosses could literally be sniped to death without even having to fight it.

So could manus.


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NotYou posted...

The game is weirding me out a little with the random phantom things and strange messages. Disasters are gone after the defeat of the gravelord servant, apparently.

Gravelord servants are a covenant players can join, and they can make stronger enemies appear in other people's games. I forgot the specifics of it, but IIRC it's not something you have to worry about since I think they only affect players that are on a New Game+ (or higher) run.

That message about them comes up whenever another player has entered the Gravelord servant's world and killed them.

I4NRulez posted...

If Dark Souls isnt for you then OnS will stomp you into oblivion

Dark Souls really wasn't for me, but I stuck with it to experience most of what it had to offer and to beat the game.

Btw, with Ornstein and Smough you can use features of the area map to keep them separated.

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There are only one or two absolutely bullshit boss fights in ds1 and the areas themselves are probably the fairest is the series imo

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Yeah I always find the arguments on "it needs difficulty modes" disingenuous because it isn't actually that hard. We're not talking like NES games with pixel perfect jumps and twitch reflexes, it's a game that you use patience and learning to overcome. There is a video of a bedridden elderly Japanese man playing Dark Souls. He can't get out of bed, his hands more slowly and yet he can beat the game because he can be patient and learn how to overcome different enemies/bosses.

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Shields trivialize everything

eggcorn posted...

It's only difficult if you aren't patient.

*Crosses game off his birthday wishlist.*

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The hardest part of souls games is the jank. Unresponsive controls, terrible camera and atrocious hitboxes

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Okay, apparently bonfires aren't safe spots like I had assumed they were. Just got smashed out of one.

So it begins
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AlmightyCheeks posted...

Unresponsive controls, terrible camera and atrocious hitboxes

I am curious about the first one. Is this some kind of wireless controller issue or something? Never had that happen.

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ssjevot posted...

I am curious about the first one. Is this some kind of wireless controller issue or something? Never had that happen.

ive had too many occasions of attempting jumps and my character doesnt or hitting attack once and he attacks twice.

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only difficult when you always lock your camera on bosses

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