Current Events > Biden won't defund police

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Does this change your opinion on him?

https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-nw-biden-statement-defund-police-20200608-3p4piac6nndj7n5lfjfb5lnq3i-story.html

No.

He was the architect of our police state, of course he wants to keep it in place.

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isn't this the decision of each city not the president?

I would need to understand exactly what "defunding the police" even means before I make a decision on whether I'm for or against it.

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marthsheretoo posted...

No.

He was the architect of our police state, of course he wants to keep it in place.

LMAO. Cmon now. Dont give Biden that much credit.

It's hard for a guy running for national office to take such an extremist position

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I dont think its up to him.

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CableZL posted...

I would need to understand exactly what "defunding the police" even means before I make a decision on whether I'm for or against it.

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Ding Ding Ding

Nothing will change and liberals wont care anymore

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CableZL posted...

I would need to understand exactly what "defunding the police" even means before I make a decision on whether I'm for or against it.

There's enough info out there for a simple Google search my dude

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Blue_Dream87 posted...

There's enough info out there for a simple Google search my dude

Eh. Its as meaningless as hipster and SJW. Definition changes depending on who is using it.

my opinion of him was already bedrock, so no, not really. what does he give a shit if stormtroopers are driving apcs and shooting chemical weapons at people?

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Would be pretty stupid if he said otherwise

ImAMarvel posted...

This. And honestly, things gaining ground through local politics into the federal level is probably how it'll be done anyhow.

well nothing will be done in the south then

Him advocating it would have likely been political suicide, just as he was starting to run up the score on Trump. It's an idea that triggers the "impossible" response from too many people at this point and they start talking about the Purge and Mad Max. It needs more police misconduct, more explanation, and better framing before any senior national level politician can safely advocate it. In fact, it probably needs to be successfully implemented in a few major cities before they can do it. Otherwise, Trump would be able to successfully use it as a bludgeon to paint the Dems as radical, anti-law and order, and actively pro-crime.

All of this is coming from someone orders of magnitude more sympathetic to the idea than your average American who has never even heard of it and think it means tearing down the police and replacing them with absolutely nothing when they first hear about it.

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*republicans shifting furiously*

I knew this already. He is still our best option, but like others have said, defunding the police will happen on a local level first, then eventually get to national politics.

I don't like Biden but he has to win, the primaries are over.

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Good.

"Defund the police" has a vague meaning and above all is a far left wing talking point. Most people do want to make changes to the current system, though.

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I agree with the meaning behind motivation of what they are asking for, but the wording sucks.

I mean theres a reason no nationwide candidate calling themselves a Democratic socialist and winning...so not sure we should completely bow down to the marketing of leftists lol

CruelBuffalo posted...

Eh. Its as meaningless as hipster and SJW. Definition changes depending on who is using it.

The most reasonable version is you are taking funds and responabilities away from cops and starting up other organizations. Like instead of cops dealing would homeless. Another local government group would do that. That specializes in it. Instead of cops dealing with addiction problems another specialized government group would deal with that.

I also see a ton of people just saying shut them down period.

That's it, I'm voting for Kodos.

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Biden's only redeeming quality at this point is not being Trump.

And it's a fucking depressing state of affairs for America.

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Abiz_ posted...

The most reasonable version is you are taking funds and responabilities away from cops and starting up other organizations. Like instead of cops dealing would homeless. Another local government group would do that. That specializes in it. Instead of cops dealing with addiction problems another specialized government group would deal with that.

I also see a ton of people just saying shut them down period.

I haven't seen a single human being say the second part, and I have a lot of leftist leftist friends. They don't always say it when they're saying to abolish the police, but they don't just mean to abolish them and let crime run rampant. They always want to invest in non-violent interventions for homelessness, sex workers, people with mental illness, students, etc, to invest in education, housing, anti-poverty programs etc. They're just much less concerned with sugar coating or even explaining their message because most of their friends agree with them and they're fed up. But they reaaaallly should explain because their message, while still radical, is not as radical as it sounds when they just say "abolish the police" and nothing more.

Tl:dr-It's the first step/a pre-condition of a long process in their ideology, not the end goal.

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Well, he made the right choice. Endanger 10% of the voters or endanger 50%.

No-brainer.

Doe posted...

Ding Ding Ding

Nothing will change and liberals wont care anymore

Vote blue no matter who

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legendary_zell posted...

I haven't seen a single human being say the second part

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-announces-intent-disband-police/

On Sunday afternoon, hundreds of people rallied at a Minneapolis park to call for more changes to the city's police department. Nine out of 13 Minneapolis City Council members stood up on the stage to announce their intent to disband the city's police department, CBS Minnesota reports.
The announcement comes after council president Lisa Bender and member Jeremiah Ellison tweeted last week that they plan to dismantle the police department.

The alternative offer had to do with taking the department money and putting it toward community initiatives that strengthen safety, CBS Minnesota points out. Concrete details about how to do the work of dismantling MPD were less defined, although council member Philippe Cunningham said the upcoming budget is a great place to start.
"We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
Many people have asked, in this visionary future with no police, "Who do you call when there's no 911?" One of the speakers on Sunday said it would be family and neighbors.

Fuck Biden for not committing to a vague proposal that he'd ultimately have little power over since the federal government isn't in charge of most police funding.

This is as bad as Trump, who I recommend you all vote for to further the progressive cause.

Dark_SilverX posted...

Vote blue no matter who

I think he means how a lot of "progressives" were very vocal about things like the wars in the Middle East, the domestic surveillance state (Patriot Act, etc.), and corporate bailouts, but then once Obama got elected they stopped caring when he continued and even enhanced a lot of those things. I certainly think people should vote Biden over Trump, but I understand his sentiment because it does appear most don't actually care about the issues, just getting their team in charge.

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I don't fully understand how people think things will work if we eliminate the police.

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COVxy posted...

I don't fully understand how people think things will work if we eliminate the police.

While I think the argument isn't that extreme, it's also a legitimate train of thought I've read pieces about.

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No. He has always sucked.

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COVxy posted...

I don't fully understand how people think things will work if we eliminate the police.

Street justice probably. Eye for an eye.

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Most people I see saying defund the police also use abolish interchangeably with it.

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scorpion41 posted...

Street justice probably. Eye for an eye.

Vigilantism is the only thing that would come from depowering (I'll use that word, because it has the widest implications without being overly blind at the same time) law enforcement. People thinking they can't get justice through official channels because it's ineffective or simply not there will want to take matters into their own hands.

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I feel like there needs to be one confirmed, well known meaning to what "defund the police" means. legendary_zell's post did a good job of explaining it, but there are still a few variations of what it is and also it has a black or white name. When the average person hears defund the police, they hear just abolish it. I haven't read the context in how Biden gave his answer, but at this point in time with so many people still not really understanding what this entails that it makes sense as a political move to say no because saying he would sends the wrong message to people who aren't aware of what it actually means. No idea if that came out right, I had some drinks.

Of course he could also be against every form of what defunding the police means, that wouldn't shock me in the least. It's a weird world when someone like Biden is considered a leftist. He could take a knee and say BLM and then do nothing. Even then, it's not like Trump is any better. Either way you're not going to get a president who will do this, so it only effects how I view Biden the person than anything that involves the election.

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Defund the police? Maybe we should start with defunding the military. You know, so we can give people health care and free college education.

Good.

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CableZL posted...

I would need to understand exactly what "defunding the police" even means before I make a decision on whether I'm for or against it.

High level overview means take money away from police and spend it on crime ridden areas so that there's less crime so you don't need as many police.

Not sure about the logistics of it all. It's a kind of newish concept like UBI.

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Defund the police? Maybe we should start with defunding the military. You know, so we can give people health care and free college education.

Putin likes this

I mean, even if "abolish the police" didn't mean "abolish the police" (like, what type of fucking moron decides that this is a good way to get the message across?), splitting the police into 10 different specialized organizations to deal with all of the responsibilities of the police sounds like a fucking bureaucratic nightmare. Like, I don't believe for a second that life is that clean and segmented.

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DDirtyDastard posted...

Defund the police? Maybe we should start with defunding the military. You know, so we can give people health care and free college education.

We could literally save so much fucking money by just not R&Ding shit we never use. We have spent literally trillions making fighter jets that no American pilots ever flew and to recoup the massive losses we sell them overseas and sometimes it winds up in the hands of our enemies

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HiddenRoar posted...

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/minneapolis-city-council-announces-intent-disband-police/

On Sunday afternoon, hundreds of people rallied at a Minneapolis park to call for more changes to the city's police department. Nine out of 13 Minneapolis City Council members stood up on the stage to announce their intent to disband the city's police department, CBS Minnesota reports.
The announcement comes after council president Lisa Bender and member Jeremiah Ellison tweeted last week that they plan to dismantle the police department.

The alternative offer had to do with taking the department money and putting it toward community initiatives that strengthen safety, CBS Minnesota points out. Concrete details about how to do the work of dismantling MPD were less defined, although council member Philippe Cunningham said the upcoming budget is a great place to start.
"We're not going to tomorrow all the sudden have nobody for you to call for help. There will be thoughtful and intentional work that's done, research engagement, learning that happens in a transition that will happen over time," Cunningham said.
Many people have asked, in this visionary future with no police, "Who do you call when there's no 911?" One of the speakers on Sunday said it would be family and neighbors.

I'm not sure why that person said that or who they are. 911 doesn't mean an armed police officer needs to be the person that shows up though because the vast majority of the things police do don't involve armed conflict or the threat of armed conflict. Plus, we could hypothetically disband the current police departments and still have people available to respond to the true life or death situations. This is why I said we're at the very very early stages of this. It's a movement that is being galvanized well before its expected time due to public police fuckery. People don't have their talking points down yet.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

We have spent literally trillions making fighter jets that no American pilots ever flew

do you understand how deterrence works or what

Still voting for him, still better than Trump

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Broseph_Stalin posted...

do you understand how deterrence works or what

Lmao we already got seven fucking aircraft carriers. #2 most aircraft carriers in the world is China with just 1.

How much more deterrence do you want?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Lmao we already got seven fucking aircraft carriers. #2 most aircraft carriers in the world is China with just 1.

How much more deterrence do you want?

All of it

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COVxy posted...

I mean, even if "abolish the police" didn't mean "abolish the police" (like, what type of fucking moron decides that this is a good way to get the message across?), splitting the police into 10 different specialized organizations to deal with all of the responsibilities of the police sounds like a fucking bureaucratic nightmare. Like, I don't believe for a second that life is that clean and segmented.

when did you become not a knucklehead? Just remember in a few months youll be excised from the purity group lest you change your tune

That's it! I'm voting for Trump!

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