Poll of the Day > Without a vaccine there is no normalcy

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Gonna be some tough times ahead. Years taking off our lives from sitting inside all day and retirements cut short due to lack of savings

That's cute if you think that well be in lockdown for any longer than the end of next month.

Well except maybe for California where Im sure theyd rather we stay indoors forever just so they can control our every move, but thatll just lead to tons of very expensive lawsuits.

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Depends on the rate of spread.

If the rate of spread and mutation rates are high enough... then may as well end quarantine because it's now just a new normal part of life the same way as the common cold and influenza and salmonella and e.coli are.

However, if we continue to hit hard against it... we can keep it contained.

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Or in other words: Assume the disease has a 1% mortality rate and infects the entire planet of 8 billion people (not to scale), that would be 80 million dead. Now imagine any other thing doing the same... such as a war or a famine or an asteroid collision. Those are ONE-AND-DONE. Same would be true if this was a chemical agent or an idle bacteria/fungal attack.

However, it's a virus... uncontained it's not just 1% once for every person on the planet... it's 1% for the rest of humanity.

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That's why we need that vaccine.

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teddy241 posted...

retirements cut short due to lack of savings

Not really. Unless you plan on doing all youre retirement savings in the last few years, then you have to work a few months longer.

teddy241 posted...

Years taken off our lives from sitting inside all day

Thats a normal job. If anything this is healthier. Youre still free to exercise indoors. Or outdoors depending on where you are. If youre that concerned google calisthenics.

teddy241 posted...

Gonna be some tough times ahead. Years taking off our lives from sitting inside all day and retirements cut short due to lack of savings

I agree this thing is here for decades to come sadly. This could be a game changer on the world stage as well because now some countries are beginning to see America as being weak because of the way this virus thing was and is being handled.

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we don't even have mass testing yet

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aDirtyShisno posted...

That's cute if you think that well be in lockdown for any longer than the end of next month.

Well except maybe for California where Im sure theyd rather we stay indoors forever just so they can control our every move, but thatll just lead to tons of very expensive lawsuits.

lol

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how about the people who want to work can work, and the people who are at risk, or those who aren't but don't want to live there life, stay home?

people need money.
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

how about the people who want to work can work, and the people who are at risk, or those who aren't but don't want to live there life, stay home?

people need money.

no. that still spreads the virus and the at risk people are still at risk and those don't want to catch the virus are forced to stay in a prolonged amount of time.

Going back to work right now is pure selfishness at the expense of others

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BUMPED2002 posted...

I agree this thing is here for decades to come sadly. This could be a game changer on the world stage as well because now some countries are beginning to see America as being weak because of the way this virus thing was and is being handled.

If this puts a stop to all the immigration then I'd say tht's a win. The US isn't weak, we just can't keep up with the increasing numbers. China or India try to ignore it.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Going back to work right now is pure selfishness at the expense of others

again.

people need money.
bills aren't being waived permanently for this time, people will need to pay them. people also need food.
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BUMPED2002 posted...

I agree this thing is here for decades to come sadly. This could be a game changer on the world stage as well because now some countries are beginning to see America as being weak because of the way this virus thing was and is being handled.

Thanks Trump

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thekingoftown posted...

Thanks Trump

china could have told the world when they first found out. plenty of blame to go around
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I agree with Krazy_Kirby. People still need money. So, people still need to work...
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Krazy_Kirby posted...

again.

people need money.
bills aren't being waived permanently for this time, people will need to pay them. people also need food.

there are welfare services. getting corona virus is also a danger. the lockdown would be over quicker if people followed social distancing guidelines.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

there are welfare services. getting corona virus is also a danger. the lockdown would be over quicker if people followed social distancing guidelines.

Those can only do some much. But people are going to need more money than those can offer...
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LinkPizza posted...

Those can only do some much. But people are going to need more money than those can offer...

corona virus isn't going to put food on the table either........

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

corona virus isn't going to put food on the table either........

if you want everyone to live their life based on possibilities... then you could also die in a car accident, so i guess you should never leave your house.
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JOExHIGASHI posted...

corona virus isn't going to put food on the table either........

Right? You need money to do that. And nobody working means no food on the table still... So, people need to start working again...
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LinkPizza posted...

Right? You need money to do that. And nobody working means no food on the table still... So, people need to start working again...

working........ again.............. means.............. hospitals............... will ..........be......... flooded............. with ...........patients......... opening ...............while ............it ................is ..........not............. under ............control.............. doesn't............. fix anything. .....................things ...............won't ...............be ...............back................. to............. normal............ your.................. chance ................of.................. getting ................the............... disease................ dramatically................ increases................. and................... deaths..................... will .....................also.................. dramatically................... increase.................. ignoring.................. the................... disease ..................doesn't................ solve .................anything

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Well except maybe for California where Im sure theyd rather we stay indoors forever just so they can control our every move, but thatll just lead to tons of very expensive lawsuits.

lmfao conservatives crack me up with their insane theories

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aDirtyShisno posted...

That's cute if you think that well be in lockdown for any longer than the end of next month.

Well except maybe for California where Im sure theyd rather we stay indoors forever just so they can control our every move, but thatll just lead to tons of very expensive lawsuits.

I remember you being much smarter than this, now you're just full trumpet

While we're at it, what's your opinion on global warming?

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

working again means hospitals will be flooded with patients opening while it is not under control doesn't fix anything. Things won't be back to normal your chance of getting the disease dramatically increases and deaths will also dramatically increase ignoring the disease doesn't solve anything

And not working mean people loss their houses, vehicles, utilities, and everything else. Eventually, they won't even be able to buy food anymore. And they will still die. At least if some people can go back to work, people won't die from just sitting at home in the dark and starving. Like Krazy_Kirby said, have the people who want to work go to work. And the ones who can't, or don't want to, stay at home. Everyone can't just not work. Or else they all die. Nobody is going to keep paying for everyone. People NEED money. And it doesn't need to be everyone who works. But we can't have nobody working...

Also, I use ellipsis and still think you used too many periods...
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LinkPizza posted...

And not working mean people loss their houses, vehicles, utilities, and everything else. Eventually, they won't even be able to buy food anymore. And they will still die. At least if some people can go back to work, people won't die from just sitting at home in the dark and starving. Like Krazy_Kirby said, have the people who want to work go to work. And the ones who can't, or don't want to, stay at home. Everyone can't just not work. Or else they all die. Nobody is going to keep paying for everyone. People NEED money. And it doesn't need to be everyone who works. But we can't have nobody working...

Also, I use ellipsis and still think you used too many periods...

There are welfare services, unemployment checks, and no evictions. going back to work also leads to death of people working and those not working. partial opening just prolongs the pandemic. People also NEED to not contract or spread the disease.

You... don't... need... ellipsis...

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

lmfao conservatives crack me up with their insane theories

Lmao liberals crack me up with their insane attitudes.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

working........ again.............. means.............. hospitals............... will ..........be......... flooded............. with ...........patients......... opening ...............while ............it ................is ..........not............. under ............control.............. doesn't............. fix anything. .....................things ...............won't ...............be ...............back................. to............. normal............ your.................. chance ................of.................. getting ................the............... disease................ dramatically................ increases................. and................... deaths..................... will .....................also.................. dramatically................... increase.................. ignoring.................. the................... disease ..................doesn't................ solve .................anything

I dont mean to be a buzzkill or anything but the hospitals arent anywhere near being overcrowded even in NYC. Slowly phasing back to normalcy is part of flattening the curve and you should better educate yourself on what youre talking about.

Yellow posted...

I remember you being much smarter than this, now you're just full trumpet

While we're at it, what's your opinion on global warming?

Well the world didnt end back in 2018 and I find it highly highly HIGHLY unlikely that climate scientists just went oops I was wrong and NOW were all going to die in 2032 instead.

Dont get me wrong as the planet will eventually get hotter but not because of humans anytime soon. The sun will eventually expand over several billion years and as it does the temperature of the Earth will rise. That likely accounts partially for the increase in temperature over the last several million years but any temperature changes over a couple of decades are a blimp on the radar on terms of scale. The temperature rises then falls repeatedly. Eventually it gets hotter overall.

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CaptBuzzKiII posted...

I dont mean to be a buzzkill

Sure thing CaptBuzzKiII

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

There are welfare services, unemployment checks, and no evictions. going back to work also leads to death of people working and those not working. partial opening just prolongs the pandemic. People also NEED to not contract or spread the disease.

You... don't... need... ellipsis...

Yes. But will those really cover everything people need. Probably not. Especially since after this has slowed down, people may need to return the life they had. But maybe the extra services weren't enough to keep their car. Or they had to move far away because the extra money couldn't pay for the house they lived in. That money can only do so much.

Sure. The virus does have a small death rate. And that sucks. But you know what else cause death? Starving. And without enough money, people can't feed their families. And I don't know about where you live. But where I live, food cost money. Which people won't have enough of if they aren't working.

Also, we don't know how long they'll be able to afford to keep paying almost everybody extra money for staying at home. And we don't know if they'll be able to keep saying no evictions forever. Especially for people renting houses...

And I do need ellipses... And you used them wrong...

You need to use the clap emoji for what youre trying to do.
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What in the world would a vaccine do? The flu vaccine is useless, doesn't prevent seasonal flu, the best research indicates that maybe it makes it less severe so you can go back to work up to a half-day earlier, it certainly doesn't prevent 28,000-62,000 United States seasonal flu deaths per year.

"Vaccine" didn't affect the 2003-2004 SARS epidemic, the virus mutated and became less virulent, and more people became immune through exposure.

Please explain just how the SARS-2 variant of coronavirus is different.

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LinkPizza posted...

Yes. But will those really cover everything people need. Probably not. Especially since after this has slowed down, people may need to return the life they had. But maybe the extra services weren't enough to keep their car. Or they had to move far away because the extra money couldn't pay for the house they lived in. That money can only do so much.

Sure. The virus does have a small death rate. And that sucks. But you know what else cause death? Starving. And without enough money, people can't feed their families. And I don't know about where you live. But where I live, food cost money. Which people won't have enough of if they aren't working.

Also, we don't know how long they'll be able to afford to keep paying almost everybody extra money for staying at home. And we don't know if they'll be able to keep saying no evictions forever. Especially for people renting houses...

And I do need ellipses... And you used them wrong...

You need to use the clap emoji for what youre trying to do.

Pretending a pandemic isn't happening isn't going to make it stop. Don't downplay the virus. It's disrespectful to those that have died from it already. But I guess you don't care since you're fine with more people dying from it.

You don't need ellipsis unless you really want people to know you make awkward pauses when you speak.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Well the world didnt end back in 2018 and I find it highly highly HIGHLY unlikely that climate scientists just went oops I was wrong and NOW were all going to die in 2032 instead.

Dont get me wrong as the planet will eventually get hotter but not because of humans anytime soon. The sun will eventually expand over several billion years and as it does the temperature of the Earth will rise. That likely accounts partially for the increase in temperature over the last several million years but any temperature changes over a couple of decades are a blimp on the radar on terms of scale. The temperature rises then falls repeatedly. Eventually it gets hotter overall.

The consensus is around 1 degree Celsius over a hundred years, which will not fry us, but melt glaciers raise sea levels make deserts uninhabitable and disrupt the entire ecosystem including farming and access to fresh water.

It doesn't matter if "liberals" are misconstruing anything because science doesn't care about politics and liberals don't own the atmosphere.

The only people saying otherwise are conspiracy theorists on their own initiative or people who were paid off by oil companies.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Dont get me wrong as the planet will eventually get hotter but not because of humans anytime soon.

We have already made it hotter and are still continuing to do. Although I'm sure, because of recent events, the rate of increase has lowered.

Also blaming the sun and absolving our failures as a species is a major copout.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

Pretending a pandemic isn't happening isn't going to make it stop. Don't downplay the virus. It's disrespectful to those that have died from it already. But I guess you don't care since you're fine with more people dying from it.

You don't need ellipsis unless you really want people to know you make awkward pauses when you speak.

I never said to pretend it's not happening. And I never meant to downplay it. You can take the same precautions we have now. Disinfecting everything, wearing gloves and mask, and just better cleaning procedures will have to be a part of life until they figure something out. If they ever do.

And while I'm not fine with it, people are going to die regardless. Either from the virus or from starvation. And the virus would probably claim less people that almost everybody starving because nobody can buy more food. But whatever. I guess you don't care that people can't live without money.

And I use them to normally trail off at the end of certain sentences. So you leave my ellipsis alone. I'm using them just fine...
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aDirtyShisno posted...

Lmao liberals crack me up with their insane attitudes.

Im not a liberal and Im not saying anything insane.

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SunWuKung420 posted...

Also blaming the sun

In this post: Astronomy doesnt exist.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Im not a liberal and Im not saying anything insane.

Except Lol theres no point arguing an actual opinion against your opinion, you funny...

Clearly never took debate class.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

In this post: Astronomy doesnt exist.

Equating what can happen in 1 year or 10 years or even 100 years to a billion years is a perfect example of how not to debate.

aDirtyShisno posted...

Clearly never took debate class.

Clearly you didn't either.


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SunWuKung420 posted...

Equating what can happen in 1 year or 10 years or even 100 years to a billion years is a perfect example of how not to debate.

EXACTLY! You just made my point.

The temperature of the Earth rises and falls many times over millions of years and what happens in 10 years is completely inconsequential to that. Saying its a defining characteristic that must be caused by man is egotistical beyond reason. Its kind of like sneezing one time from dust and saying that it is a defining moment in your 80+ year life.

Thanks for agreeing with me.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Except Lol theres no point arguing an actual opinion against your opinion, you funny...

Clearly never took debate class.

what? honestly dont know what youre trying to say.

sounds like you didnt go to debate school either cause you have to make your argument clear lmao

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Thanks for agreeing with me.

I didn't. We are making things highly uncomfortable for ourselves by our own means not because of the sun. It won't destroy the Earth but it will destroy us.

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aDirtyShisno posted...

Its kind of like sneezing one time from dust and saying that it is a defining moment in your 80+ year life.

aDirtyShisno posted...

Clearly never took debate class.

lmao

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

what? honestly dont know what youre trying to say.

sounds like you didnt go to debate school either cause you have to make your argument clear lmao

This is what I mean:

DirtBasedSoap posted...

lmfao conservatives crack me up with their insane theories

You havent made any argument at all. So make one or shut the fuck up.

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JOExHIGASHI posted...

There are welfare services, unemployment checks, and no evictions. going back to work also leads to death of people working and those not working. partial opening just prolongs the pandemic. People also NEED to not contract or spread the disease.

You... don't... need... ellipsis...

I bet we don't pay for our house we're out on our asses, no questions.

My sister spent AGES fighting to finally get unemployment. If spouse was laid off too we'd have been pretty hurting, if there wasn't savings to dip into...

Opening everything up all at once too soon is stupid. I get your concerns about partial. But people aren't going to make it forever on welfare. Something is going to give, on way or another, whether we like it or not.

aDirtyShisno posted...

Well except maybe for California where Im sure theyd rather we stay indoors forever just so they can control our every move

I can make dumb shit up with nothing to back it up and call it an argument too!!!

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SunWuKung420 posted...

I didn't. We are making things highly uncomfortable for ourselves by our own means not because of the sun. It won't destroy the Earth but it will destroy us.

If thats what you honestly believe then go ahead and repent for sins, but dont drag e everyone else into your pit of sorrow with you.

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Wtf are you talking about?

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LinkPizza posted...

I never said to pretend it's not happening. And I never meant to downplay it. You can take the same precautions we have now. Disinfecting everything, wearing gloves and mask, and just better cleaning procedures will have to be a part of life until they figure something out. If they ever do.

And while I'm not fine with it, people are going to die regardless. Either from the virus or from starvation. And the virus would probably claim less people that almost everybody starving because nobody can buy more food. But whatever. I guess you don't care that people can't live without money.

And I use them to normally trail off at the end of certain sentences. So you leave my ellipsis alone. I'm using them just fine...

They're not starving. They have welfare. Lockdown started a month ago. Opening back up when the virus is still rampant is insane. We have too little testing and a shortage of masks.

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