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PeePeeTheFrog 02/19/20 11:20:59 PM #1:	"but without having to rely on a recurring revenue system" cute thought but unrealistic --- i will be respected or there will be consequences <cite>PeePeeTheFrog posted [p:934622974] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>"but without having to rely on a recurring revenue system" cute thought but unrealistic </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AdmiralStiff 02/19/20 11:28:52 PM #2:	Nice try, EA --- You cannot stop me from getting inside I am cold, I am hard and my name... is Reality <cite>AdmiralStiff posted [p:934623291] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Nice try, EA </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkbuster 02/19/20 11:29:42 PM #3:	PeePeeTheFrog posted... "but without having to rely on a recurring revenue system" cute thought but unrealistic Wasn't always that way, tho. --- Remember kids, it's only an RPG until someone gets hit with a meteor; Then it's a JRPG! SSBB: 3869 0521 7142 <cite>darkbuster posted [p:934623319] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>PeePeeTheFrog posted... </cite> <quote>"but without having to rely on a recurring revenue system" cute thought but unrealistic</quote> Wasn't always that way, tho. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PeePeeTheFrog 02/21/20 10:15:48 AM #4:	darkbuster posted... Wasn't always that way, tho. times change and budgets go up --- i will be respected or there will be consequences <cite>PeePeeTheFrog posted [p:934682524] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>darkbuster posted... </cite> <quote>Wasn't always that way, tho.</quote>times change and budgets go up </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 10:17:39 AM #5:	PeePeeTheFrog posted... times change and budgets go up AdmiralStiff posted... Nice try, EA Games sell more today than back then. Revenue and profit for games are massively higher than back then. Yet now they need more money. Lmao. Propaganda. There is also a thing that didn't exist back then where they can sell a game forever and continue making profits. Digital sales. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934682582] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>PeePeeTheFrog posted... </cite> <quote>times change and budgets go up</quote> AdmiralStiff posted... </cite> <quote>Nice try, EA</quote> Games sell more today than back then. Revenue and profit for games are massively higher than back then. Yet now they need more money. Lmao. Propaganda. There is also a thing that didn't exist back then where they can sell a game forever and continue making profits. Digital sales. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TwoDoorPC 02/21/20 10:31:32 AM #6:	ea's getting so desperate they're sending their pr staff here of all places --- Tell me your favourite things Tell me your favourite things <cite>TwoDoorPC posted [p:934683063] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>ea's getting so desperate they're sending their pr staff here of all places </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MC_BatCommander 02/21/20 10:33:03 AM #7:	Unless they are further supporting the game with free content updates there is literally no justification for cramming more monetization into a full price game. --- The Legend is True! <cite>MC_BatCommander posted [p:934683110] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Unless they are further supporting the game with free content updates there is literally no justification for cramming more monetization into a full price game. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DezDroppedFreak 02/21/20 10:39:13 AM #8:	darkphoenix181 posted... Games sell more today than back then. And they cost a metric fuckton more to make --- I feel like Ratatouille when I'm whipping that cheddar <cite>DezDroppedFreak posted [p:934683284] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Games sell more today than back then.</quote>And they cost a metric fuckton more to make </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KillerSlaw 02/21/20 10:39:51 AM #9:	Lick them boots --- The personal is the political is a totalitarian progressive decree that I reject entirely. <cite>KillerSlaw posted [p:934683306] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Lick them boots </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 02/21/20 10:41:26 AM #10:	Almost every good game I've played this gen didn't have microtransactions so... --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:934683359] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Almost every good game I've played this gen didn't have microtransactions so... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
MI4 REAL 02/21/20 10:42:15 AM #11:	Every game before the millennium didn't have that shit --- "Er...well, y'know. You can't make an omelette without um...destroying a forest.....or something" -Black Mage <cite>MI4 REAL posted [p:934683388] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Every game before the millennium didn't have that shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AsucaHayashi 02/21/20 11:01:20 AM #12:	DezDroppedFreak posted... And they cost a metric fuckton more to make depends on how you define a metric fuckton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop they've set the minimum to $50million in order to make the list which isn't that much when considering overall game revenue. if game development costs were really that high then this list would have been much bigger with many more entries as the years went on. overall the most "expensive year" for games was 2013 with 8 entries. --- http://abload.de/img/pcgamingxtuvt.jpg https://imgur.com/9Yv0R2Z <cite>AsucaHayashi posted [p:934684032] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted... </cite> <quote>And they cost a metric fuckton more to make</quote>depends on how you define a metric fuckton. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_expensive_video_games_to_develop they've set the minimum to $50million in order to make the list which isn't that much when considering overall game revenue. if game development costs were really that high then this list would have been much bigger with many more entries as the years went on. overall the most "expensive year" for games was 2013 with 8 entries. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TwoDoorPC 02/21/20 11:11:25 AM #13:	DezDroppedFreak posted... And they cost a metric fuckton more to make so it's the consumers fault developers and publishers are failing to manage their overheads? --- Tell me your favourite things Tell me your favourite things <cite>TwoDoorPC posted [p:934684385] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted... </cite> <quote>And they cost a metric fuckton more to make</quote> so it's the consumers fault developers and publishers are failing to manage their overheads? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BakonBitz 02/21/20 11:18:51 AM #14:	There's plenty of games that are like that and the developers are just fine. --- Game collection: http://www.backloggery.com/bakonbitz Gaming channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCwVQm69J7bGScbv3_50C0dA <cite>BakonBitz posted [p:934684681] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>There's plenty of games that are like that and the developers are just fine. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Vyrulisse 02/21/20 11:24:30 AM #15:	PeePeeTheFrog posted... times change and advertising budgets go up Fixed that for you. That's where most of the money is wasted. --- https://imgur.com/6VeX04D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGOuDyLcUZY <cite>Vyrulisse posted [p:934684888] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>PeePeeTheFrog posted... </cite> <quote>times change and advertising budgets go up</quote>Fixed that for you. That's where most of the money is wasted. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 02/21/20 11:28:04 AM #16:	darkphoenix181 posted... Games sell more today than back then. I dunno, tbh. I'd be interested to see something more comprehensive, because obviously the extremes aren't a great representation, but if you look at a list of the top selling games, the release dates are kind of all over the place: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games There definitely does seem to be a bias toward newer games but not as much so as you would think. There are even games from the early 80's on this list. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:934685009] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Games sell more today than back then.</quote>I dunno, tbh. I'd be interested to see something more comprehensive, because obviously the extremes aren't a great representation, but if you look at a list of the top selling games, the release dates are kind of all over the place: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games There definitely does seem to be a bias toward newer games but not as much so as you would think. There are even games from the early 80's on this list. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 11:30:38 AM #17:	DezDroppedFreak posted... And they cost a metric fuckton more to make Did you take economics? Lets compare: $50 at 100,000 units sold. $5 million in revenue. $60 at 1,000,000 sold. $60 million in revenue. Even little niche jrpgs are make 10 times more today than they did in the 90s. 100,000 units pushed used to be a success. Now, look at the big franchies. CoD sells 10 million copies on the first day. $600 million revenue. Now, even if we take a layman who is likely quoting a huge number, they made waaaaaayyyyy more profit. https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-it-cost-to-make-Call-of-Duty-WW2 $500 million to make CoD with $600 million revenue? $100 million in profit. Compare to if it was even free to make games in the old days. The whole revenue back then was $50 million because of 1 million sales. So their profits are double the revenue! Conclusion, it literally doesn't matter how much it costs them to make games today profit wise. They are making more than double the profits they used to. And this is before the predatory dlc and all that. They are greedy. Greedy. Greedy. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934685095] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DezDroppedFreak posted... </cite> <quote>And they cost a metric fuckton more to make</quote> Did you take economics? Lets compare: $50 at 100,000 units sold. $5 million in revenue. $60 at 1,000,000 sold. $60 million in revenue. Even little niche jrpgs are make 10 times more today than they did in the 90s. 100,000 units pushed used to be a success. Now, look at the big franchies. CoD sells 10 million copies on the first day. $600 million revenue. Now, even if we take a layman who is likely quoting a huge number, they made waaaaaayyyyy more profit. https://www.quora.com/How-much-did-it-cost-to-make-Call-of-Duty-WW2 $500 million to make CoD with $600 million revenue? $100 million in profit. Compare to if it was even free to make games in the old days. The whole revenue back then was $50 million because of 1 million sales. So their profits are double the revenue! Conclusion, it literally doesn't matter how much it costs them to make games today profit wise. They are making more than double the profits they used to. And this is before the predatory dlc and all that. They are greedy. Greedy. Greedy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 02/21/20 11:40:29 AM #19:	M_Live posted... How the hell did the Deadpool game cost so much, it screams low budget Probably alot or licensing fees. And paying comic writers to make the story align. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934685431] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>M_Live posted... </cite> <quote>How the hell did the Deadpool game cost so much, it screams low budget</quote> Probably alot or licensing fees. And paying comic writers to make the story align. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Looked gf 02/21/20 11:43:16 AM #20:	TwoDoorPC posted... ea's getting so desperate they're sending their pr staff here of all places --- https://gfycat.com/chillynearfiddlercrab.gif <cite>Looked gf posted [p:934685527] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>TwoDoorPC posted... </cite> <quote>ea's getting so desperate they're sending their pr staff here of all places</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/21/20 11:46:12 AM #21:	Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:934685637] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 02/21/20 11:46:26 AM #22:	DevsBro posted... I dunno, tbh. I'd be interested to see something more comprehensive, because obviously the extremes aren't a great representation, but if you look at a list of the top selling games, the release dates are kind of all over the place: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games There definitely does seem to be a bias toward newer games but not as much so as you would think. There are even games from the early 80's on this list. Ok I just ran a PivotTable on the data (lol) and the bias is a lot more obvious now. 1980's had 6 of the 50 1990's had 5 2000's had 17 2010's had 22 --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:934685648] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>I dunno, tbh. I'd be interested to see something more comprehensive, because obviously the extremes aren't a great representation, but if you look at a list of the top selling games, the release dates are kind of all over the place: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_video_games There definitely does seem to be a bias toward newer games but not as much so as you would think. There are even games from the early 80's on this list.</quote>Ok I just ran a PivotTable on the data (lol) and the bias is a lot more obvious now. 1980's had 6 of the 50 1990's had 5 2000's had 17 2010's had 22 </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Jabodie 02/21/20 11:47:17 AM #23:	Questionmarktarius posted... Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes. I don't really think it needs resurrection. Some developers do this still. --- <insert sig here> <cite>Jabodie posted [p:934685685] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes.</quote>I don't really think it needs resurrection. Some developers do this still. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/21/20 11:48:28 AM #24:	Some of those old Expansion Packs were just random downloaded usercreated maps. --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:934685733] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Some of those old Expansion Packs were just random downloaded usercreated maps. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/21/20 11:49:10 AM #25:	Jabodie posted... I don't really think it needs resurrection. Some developers do this still. "More game" DLC seems pretty rare nowadays, outside of Borderlands and Nintendo. Unless, of course we count nigh-mandatory multiplayer map packs. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:934685762] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Jabodie posted... </cite> <quote>I don't really think it needs resurrection. Some developers do this still.</quote>"More game" DLC seems pretty rare nowadays, outside of Borderlands and Nintendo. Unless, of course we count nigh-mandatory multiplayer map packs. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 02/21/20 11:49:48 AM #26:	EA is a fucking greedy ass company but at the same time a shit ton of video game consumers are entitled whiny people. Both parties is what fucked us over. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:934685789] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>EA is a fucking greedy ass company but at the same time a shit ton of video game consumers are entitled whiny people. Both parties is what fucked us over. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
DevsBro 02/21/20 11:50:26 AM #27:	Questionmarktarius posted... Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes. I like how people keep pointing back to horse armor, which happened so long ago it can have a GameFAQs account. I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again. --- 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 53 <cite>DevsBro posted [p:934685814] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Resurrect the old PC gaming concept of "expansion pack", instead of monetizing via horse armor and lootboxes.</quote>I like how people keep pointing back to horse armor, which happened so long ago it can have a GameFAQs account. I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 02/21/20 11:51:36 AM #28:	I will never understand Internet people. You people can easily acknowledge how awful customers can be IRL at like Walmart of Burger King but at the same time YOU are that customer when it comes to wanting what you want on these forums. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:934685863] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>I will never understand Internet people. You people can easily acknowledge how awful customers can be IRL at like Walmart of Burger King but at the same time YOU are that customer when it comes to wanting what you want on these forums. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/21/20 11:52:29 AM #29:	DevsBro posted... I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again. Any meaningless cosmetic DLC is "horse armor", whether horses are involved or not. <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:934685895] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again.</quote>Any meaningless cosmetic DLC is "horse armor", whether horses are involved or not. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 02/21/20 11:52:50 AM #30:	DevsBro posted... I like how people keep pointing back to horse armor, which happened so long ago it can have a GameFAQs account. I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again. Amiibos did not get enough hate and gamers should be ashamed of this. Even now you get people going out their way to defend them and yet think what EA is doing is greedy. --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:934685906] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>I like how people keep pointing back to horse armor, which happened so long ago it can have a GameFAQs account. I guess in the last 14 years, we haven't seen anything that bad again.</quote>Amiibos did not get enough hate and gamers should be ashamed of this. Even now you get people going out their way to defend them and yet think what EA is doing is greedy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Twi1ightSpark1e 02/21/20 11:53:36 AM #31:	The old days of gaming. <cite>Twi1ightSpark1e posted [p:934685928] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>The old days of gaming. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 11:53:37 AM #32:	DevsBro posted... Ok I just ran a PivotTable on the data (lol) and the bias is a lot more obvious now. 1980's had 6 of the 50 1990's had 5 2000's had 17 2010's had 22 There are alot more gamers today for various reasons. People are more willing to buy games. So there is a bigger pool of consumers. The actual problem devs have are bad budgetting. The frame it as something they cannot control: rising costs. It is a trick to make whales feel pity and spend more. But the most interesting thing is how today, games are not a thing you sell once and then dump the code in the trash. Back then, they actually did this. Notoriously FF8 had this happen to it. When a modern game is made, years down the line it will get a remaster. It might get new versions. And it will be resold on a bunch of different platforms. This means there is inherently extra revenue any new game will perpetually make a company assuming it warrants interest of gamers. If it is a trash game it won't. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934685933] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>DevsBro posted... </cite> <quote>Ok I just ran a PivotTable on the data (lol) and the bias is a lot more obvious now. 1980's had 6 of the 50 1990's had 5 2000's had 17 2010's had 22</quote> There are alot more gamers today for various reasons. People are more willing to buy games. So there is a bigger pool of consumers. The actual problem devs have are bad budgetting. The frame it as something they cannot control: rising costs. It is a trick to make whales feel pity and spend more. But the most interesting thing is how today, games are not a thing you sell once and then dump the code in the trash. Back then, they actually did this. Notoriously FF8 had this happen to it. When a modern game is made, years down the line it will get a remaster. It might get new versions. And it will be resold on a bunch of different platforms. This means there is inherently extra revenue any new game will perpetually make a company assuming it warrants interest of gamers. If it is a trash game it won't. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Veggeta X 02/21/20 11:56:12 AM #33:	Thinking it's all the gaming company's fault is the same as thinking "the customer is always right". --- Don't like it? Don't watch it. It's that simple Dictator of Nice Guys <cite>Veggeta X posted [p:934686037] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Thinking it's all the gaming company's fault is the same as thinking "the customer is always right". </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 12:13:03 PM #34:	Veggeta X posted... Thinking it's all the gaming company's fault is the same as thinking "the customer is always right". What is all the game company's fault? The cost it takes them to make a game? Umm...yes it is. They decide what game to make, how it should look, etc. To suggest otherwise is saying what.. they don't decide these things? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934686750] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Veggeta X posted... </cite> <quote>Thinking it's all the gaming company's fault is the same as thinking "the customer is always right".</quote> What is all the game company's fault? The cost it takes them to make a game? Umm...yes it is. They decide what game to make, how it should look, etc. To suggest otherwise is saying what.. they don't decide these things? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
kirbymuncher 02/21/20 12:15:24 PM #35:	I'd settle for just "games should be complete" without any additional qualifiers at this point tbh --- THIS IS WHAT I HATE A BOUT EVREY WEBSITE!! THERES SO MUCH PEOPLE READING AND POSTING STUIPED STUFF <cite>kirbymuncher posted [p:934686862] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>I'd settle for just "games should be complete" without any additional qualifiers at this point tbh </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 12:19:05 PM #36:	Like, Dark Souls are speculated to cost about 20 million to make. You don't have to spend 300 million to make a game. That is YOUR decision. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934687008] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Like, Dark Souls are speculated to cost about 20 million to make. You don't have to spend 300 million to make a game. That is YOUR decision. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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darkphoenix181 02/21/20 12:21:39 PM #38:	Godnorgosh posted... How is it that a dude in his mom's basement can crank out Undertale and become wildly successful but a company with EA's money and resources can't make a game worth a damn without gameplay-ruining microtransactions I don't buy that shit Passion vs. How can we separate gamers and their wallets? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934687113] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>How is it that a dude in his mom's basement can crank out Undertale and become wildly successful but a company with EA's money and resources can't make a game worth a damn without gameplay-ruining microtransactions I don't buy that shit</quote> Passion vs. How can we separate gamers and their wallets? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
KamenRiderBlade 02/21/20 12:45:26 PM #39:	Big companies are run by Bean Counters. --- Are you a MexiCAN or a MexiCAN'T - Johnny Depp '*Once Upon A Time in Mexico*' <cite>KamenRiderBlade posted [p:934688072] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Big companies are run by Bean Counters. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/21/20 12:49:14 PM #40:	"Today we are happy to announce record profits! Also, due to these trying economic times we are unfortunately forced to lay off a large portion of our quality control staff. Also every fully priced single player game that we make from now on is going to include a full cash shop of microtransactions for things that we definitely didn't tune the game around." <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:934688228] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>"Today we are happy to announce record profits! Also, due to these trying economic times we are unfortunately forced to lay off a large portion of our quality control staff. Also every fully priced single player game that we make from now on is going to include a full cash shop of microtransactions for things that we definitely didn't tune the game around." </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 02/21/20 12:53:04 PM #41:	Godnorgosh posted... How is it that a dude in his mom's basement can crank out Undertale and become wildly successful but a company with EA's money and resources can't make a game worth a damn without gameplay-ruining microtransactions I don't buy that shit Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:934688393] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Godnorgosh posted... </cite> <quote>How is it that a dude in his mom's basement can crank out Undertale and become wildly successful but a company with EA's money and resources can't make a game worth a damn without gameplay-ruining microtransactions I don't buy that shit</quote>Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/21/20 12:54:37 PM #42:	Rikiaz posted... Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games. Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago? <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:934688453] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games.</quote>Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Rikiaz 02/21/20 1:42:40 PM #43:	Tenlaar posted... Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago? I was going to compare COD4s budget and first week sales with Modern Warfare but I couldnt find COD4s stats. Now dont get me wrong though, Im not defending micro transactions and these terrible AAA practices. Simply stating the reason why they have become prevalent. As for why budgets have skyrocketed, I think its because of the race for graphics and the progression of AAA games to be more like interactive movies. --- From the depths, the thing they called Worm King did rise. Nirn itself did scream in the Mages' and Necromancers' war. <cite>Rikiaz posted [p:934690350] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago?</quote>I was going to compare COD4s budget and first week sales with Modern Warfare but I couldnt find COD4s stats. Now dont get me wrong though, Im not defending micro transactions and these terrible AAA practices. Simply stating the reason why they have become prevalent. As for why budgets have skyrocketed, I think its because of the race for graphics and the progression of AAA games to be more like interactive movies. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/21/20 1:47:03 PM #44:	Rikiaz posted... I was going to compare COD4s budget and first week sales with Modern Warfare but I couldnt find COD4s stats. Now dont get me wrong though, Im not defending micro transactions and these terrible AAA practices. Simply stating the reason why they have become prevalent. As for why budgets have skyrocketed, I think its because of the race for graphics and the progression of AAA games to be more like interactive movies. And I'm saying that just saying "games have stayed the same price" alone doesn't justify the prevalence of microtransactions when you're ignoring that the size of the market has exploded in that same time period. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:934690555] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>I was going to compare COD4s budget and first week sales with Modern Warfare but I couldnt find COD4s stats. Now dont get me wrong though, Im not defending micro transactions and these terrible AAA practices. Simply stating the reason why they have become prevalent. As for why budgets have skyrocketed, I think its because of the race for graphics and the progression of AAA games to be more like interactive movies.</quote>And I'm saying that just saying "games have stayed the same price" alone doesn't justify the prevalence of microtransactions when you're ignoring that the size of the market has exploded in that same time period. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Questionmarktarius 02/21/20 1:47:03 PM #45:	Tenlaar posted... Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago? Did AAA games even really exist 15 years ago? <cite>Questionmarktarius posted [p:934690556] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Tenlaar posted... </cite> <quote>Tell me, how many people buy AAA games today versus 15 years ago?</quote>Did AAA games even really exist 15 years ago? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 1:52:05 PM #46:	Rikiaz posted... Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games. The price has stayed the same because compared to those indie games, the AAA don't offer much more to be worthy of a higher price. The problem then is the makers decided to put stuff in their game like Advanced Fish a.i. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/716425-call-of-duty-ghosts/66300839 Btw, graphics haven't even changed much. They been using Unreal, not making new engines from scratch like they did back in the day. Graphics were more difficult years ago. Today you pay a fee and boom here you go. Be honest, they aren't spending all that money on graphics. They are doing frivolous things like trying to mocap Kevin Spacey for advertising power NOT gameplay gains. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934690760] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Rikiaz posted... </cite> <quote>Heres the thing. AAA Games budgets have massively increased in the past 15 or so years, however the price of AAA games has stayed steady around $60. This is why there are so many micro transactions and dlc and monetization schemes. Its so games dont cost $120-$150. So you cant really compare smaller indie games (or even III Indie games) to AAA games.</quote> The price has stayed the same because compared to those indie games, the AAA don't offer much more to be worthy of a higher price. The problem then is the makers decided to put stuff in their game like Advanced Fish a.i. https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/716425-call-of-duty-ghosts/66300839 Btw, graphics haven't even changed much. They been using Unreal, not making new engines from scratch like they did back in the day. Graphics were more difficult years ago. Today you pay a fee and boom here you go. Be honest, they aren't spending all that money on graphics. They are doing frivolous things like trying to mocap Kevin Spacey for advertising power NOT gameplay gains. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Tenlaar 02/21/20 1:58:57 PM #47:	Questionmarktarius posted... Did AAA games even really exist 15 years ago? KOTOR 2 (technically December 04 for xbox, but PC released a month later). RE4. Tekken 5. Devil May Cry 3. God of War. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Doom 3. Dungeon Siege 2. Shadow of the Colossus. CoD 2. Star Wars Battlefront 2. Lego Star Wars. Kingdom Hearts 2. All of these came out in 2005. Of course there were AAA games 15 years ago, we're not talking about the dark ages of friggin Atari here. <cite>Tenlaar posted [p:934691005] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Questionmarktarius posted... </cite> <quote>Did AAA games even really exist 15 years ago?</quote>KOTOR 2 (technically December 04 for xbox, but PC released a month later). RE4. Tekken 5. Devil May Cry 3. God of War. Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory. Doom 3. Dungeon Siege 2. Shadow of the Colossus. CoD 2. Star Wars Battlefront 2. Lego Star Wars. Kingdom Hearts 2. All of these came out in 2005. Of course there were AAA games 15 years ago, we're not talking about the dark ages of friggin Atari here. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Foppe 02/21/20 2:09:52 PM #48:	>complains about $60 pricetag --- GameFAQs isn't going to be merged in with GameSpot or any other site. We're not going to strip out the soul of the site. -CJayC <cite>Foppe posted [p:934691396] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>>complains about $60 pricetag </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 02/21/20 2:14:29 PM #49:	Fyi, no one forces them to put a $60 pricetag on a game. They decide themselves to do so. And then they complain about it. Think about that for a moment. They complain about a decision they made in full knowledge of all sorts of things that a bunch of people they pay to research the market tell them. Why? To trick you into being a pity whale. Anyways: https://gamerant.com/video-game-prices-breakdown-514/ <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:934691578] in "game... [t:78418997]...</cite> <quote>Fyi, no one forces them to put a $60 pricetag on a game. They decide themselves to do so. And then they complain about it. Think about that for a moment. They complain about a decision they made in full knowledge of all sorts of things that a bunch of people they pay to research the market tell them. Why? To trick you into being a pity whale. Anyways: https://gamerant.com/video-game-prices-breakdown-514/ </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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