Poll of the Day > What the fuck, Australia?!

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https://imgur.com/gallery/1n1rCnQ

The worst parts IMO are that the volunteer fire fighters aren't getting paid unemployment b/c they're too busy fighting the fires to do the weekly job searches mandated by the PM's party and the part where another politician from the PM's party joked about two people who died that based on where they lived "probably voted Green" (another party)

Also, the Australian government just approved selling the water they need to put out the fires to China

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Lokarin posted...

Also, the Australian government just approved selling the water they need to put out the fires to China

O_O

streamofthesky posted...

https://imgur.com/gallery/1n1rCnQ

The worst parts IMO are that the volunteer fire fighters aren't getting paid unemployment b/c they're too busy fighting the fires to do the weekly job searches mandated by the PM's party and the part where another politician from the PM's party joked about two people who died that based on where they lived "probably voted Green" (another party)

im australian and though i consider myself a conservative i cannot in good conscience support a pm that at the height of the fires decides to go on a holiday because his entitled children were promised one.

oh and before i forget he gave 110k to the hillsong church whilst wanting to force people who have no jobs in this country onto a card that costs 10k plus per person per year just to prevent people from gambling/drinking mind you this is also administrated by a corporation that is linked to the LNP coalition via a guy called Larry anthony who is a former president of the National party.

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Locke90 posted...

im australian and though i consider myself a conservative i cannot in good conscience support a pm that at the height of the fires decides to go on a holiday because his entitled children were promised one.

To Hawaii, literally my roomates were there with him.

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wolfy42 posted...

To Hawaii, literally my roomates were there with him.

wow small world.

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It's terrible what's happening in Australia.
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then there is this

https://www.2gb.com/andrew-constance-the-prime-minister-got-what-he-deserved-from-angry-cobargo/

https://www.2gb.com/ray-hadley-criticises-scott-morrisons-bushfire-response/

the anger is palpable and despite how some would paint it its not just those on the left who are angry but both sides of the political divide.

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Locke90 posted...

the anger is palpable and despite how some would paint it its not just those on the left who are angry but both sides of the political divide.

Surprisingly, not wanting your things to be destroyed in a fire is bipartisan.

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GanonsSpirit posted...

Surprisingly, not wanting your things to be destroyed in a fire is bipartisan.

yeah exactly but it also stems from the fact that he has made numerous gaffs and continues to do so.

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Lokarin posted...

Also, the Australian government just approved selling the water they need to put out the fires to China

Sounds like something our PM would do. Or has done.

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zebatov posted...

Sounds like something our PM would do. Or has done.

Yup

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jan/02/queensland-government-was-warned-about-risks-of-chinese-companys-water-extraction

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now hes visited another town and brought a woolies bag full of......wait for it......biscuits/cookies and energy drinks not anything nutritious like veggies/meat or maybe some eggs and milk or maybe bottles of water no what he brought was biscuits/cookies and energy drinks.

https://7news.com.au/news/fires/victoria-bushfires-scott-morrison-visits-bairnsdale-brings-woolies-bag-with-biscuits-c-630999

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please stop bringing up climate change, australia is just a dry country that has a lot of fires starting. we don't need to enact marxism or destroy our own industries to stop china/india's pollution causing this

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Yeah were fucked.

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streamofthesky posted...

The worst parts IMO are that the volunteer fire fighters aren't getting paid unemployment b/c they're too busy fighting the fires to do the weekly job searches mandated by the PM's party

So they weren't fulfilling the reqs? Fair, next. If anything, you should be arguing that they be paid from a separate disaster relief fund.

Locke90 posted...

i cannot in good conscience support a pm that at the height of the fires decides to go on a holiday because his entitled children were promised one.

And what would you have him do instead? Physically go out and fight the fires himself? Whether he's sitting in his office or not doesn't directly impact the problem. Unless you're arguing that politicians shouldn't be allowed vacations at all.

Locke90 posted...

now hes visited another town and brought a woolies bag full of......wait for it......biscuits/cookies and energy drinks not anything nutritious like veggies/meat or maybe some eggs and milk or maybe bottles of water no what he brought was biscuits/cookies and energy drinks.

https://7news.com.au/news/fires/victoria-bushfires-scott-morrison-visits-bairnsdale-brings-woolies-bag-with-biscuits-c-630999

Were were waiting for silly whining and pointless objections? Because that's some ridiculous faux outrage. "Omg! Instead of bringing celery sticks, he brought something people like! How dare he do that?!"

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This is payback for banning video games.

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So like...I remember around 2010-ish, Australia had a hilarious revolving door of PMs, like they'd just keep coming in then quitting or getting no confidence voted out.
How the fuck is this dip shit still holding onto power now? There's no way all those other short termers were worse than him!

Timic83 posted...

please stop bringing up climate change, australia is just a dry country that has a lot of fires starting. we don't need to enact marxism or destroy our own industries to stop china/india's pollution causing this

"Please stop bringing up the reason this fire is so severe. It's like...super inconvenient to the industries that are paying me to claim it's not the reason."

Zeus posted...

So they weren't fulfilling the reqs? Fair, next. If anything, you should be arguing that they be paid from a separate disaster relief fund.

Oh, you're back? Here to do damage control about Trump being a chickenhawk neocon, I guess.
And no, it's not fair, lol
The easiest solution would be to just...pay them the fucking unemployment and waive the job search requirement for anyone serving as a volunteer fire fighter. Rather than add another labor payment stream to manage. But common sense has seemed to be lacking in Australia for a long time now.
For example...

Smoking_Hamster posted...

This is payback for banning video games.

Not to mention their war on porn. #Priorities
Pretty unfair payback, though. The half a billion dead animals didn't try to take away games and porn. :(

Zeus posted...

So they weren't fulfilling the reqs? Fair, next. If anything, you should be arguing that they be paid from a separate disaster relief fund.

And what would you have him do instead? Physically go out and fight the fires himself? Whether he's sitting in his office or not doesn't directly impact the problem. Unless you're arguing that politicians shouldn't be allowed vacations at all.

Were were waiting for silly whining and pointless objections? Because that's some ridiculous faux outrage. "Omg! Instead of bringing celery sticks, he brought something people like! How dare he do that?!"

you really need to think for once in your life a leader leads they dont go swanning off on a holiday in the midst of a crisis the time for a holiday is after the crisis is finished secondly you call giving people what they "like" faux outrage seriously zeus these people have lost homes and livestock and family/friends giving them energy drinks and sweets is not helpful to anyone it would be like you losing everything you owned and your president giving you a tic tac food and thats not to mention that the areas that are on fire are going through a drought ie no water so if anything food and water is what is needed if other prime ministers can give out food and water as they have done in the past then scott morrison can do so as well.

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He can't help but reflexively defend anything a right-wing leader does no matter how indefensible.
That's what it means to be a left-leaning centrist, after all!

Locke90 posted...

you really need to think for once in your life a leader leads they dont go swanning off on a holiday in the midst of a crisis the time for a holiday is after the crisis is finished secondly you call giving people what they "like" faux outrage seriously zeus these people have lost homes and livestock and family/friends giving them energy drinks and sweets is not helpful to anyone it would be like you losing everything you owned and your president giving you a tic tac food and thats not to mention that the areas that are on fire are going through a drought ie no water so if anything food and water is what is needed if other prime ministers can give out food and water as they have done in the past then scott morrison can do so as well.

zeus doesn't even get paid to repeat what bot accounts on Reddit say, ok?

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Zeus posted...

So they weren't fulfilling the reqs? Fair, next. If anything, you should be arguing that they be paid from a separate disaster relief fund.

And what would you have him do instead? Physically go out and fight the fires himself? Whether he's sitting in his office or not doesn't directly impact the problem. Unless you're arguing that politicians shouldn't be allowed vacations at all.

Were were waiting for silly whining and pointless objections? Because that's some ridiculous faux outrage. "Omg! Instead of bringing celery sticks, he brought something people like! How dare he do that?!"

Over here in Australia, if you're unemployed, you have to be on a Newstart allowance to kind of have some income in your life for food and a roof above your head (it's ~$530 every fortnight). Depending on which job network you go to, you either have to go to them every week, or every so often. HOWEVER, you are required to job search and apply to 20 jobs per month. People volunteering to fight the fires should be exempt of this because they are risking their lives (some volunteer firies have lost their lives) to save others. They don't have the time to go on seek and mygov and/or attend interviews.

The problem with Scott Morrison is that his holiday was covered up. No one knew he even went on holiday until these bushfires escalated and got worse (they also started way earlier, before summer even started). Scott has in the past criticised a police chief for having dinner during a bushfire back in 2010 and then goes on holiday for X amount of days during this nationwide bushfire. Firies have been wanting to have meetings with him to warn him about the bushfires back in the middle of last year, but every time he never bothered to meet them. His inaction from before the bushfires to now makes him to be a pretty bad PM (you have no idea how much I'm being polite here).

Hell, Tony Abbott, our LNP PM from back in 2013 would have done more because he was a fire fighter. I still hate that guy, but at least he would have potentially listened to the former fire chiefs about the impending bushfire situation.

The least he (Scott) could have done was stand and listen to the people in Cobargo and admit that his government has failed them (at least then he'd earn points for being honest for a change). He should have brought food and water for them. There are so many things he should/could have done, but him being Scotty from Marketing, he doesn't know how to be a leader, nor show some form of human empathy.

People are outraged because homes/towns and lives have been lost. Scott has, on camera, turned his back to people calling for more help. To call it "silly whining" and "faux outrage" just makes you look like a... well I can't say it, but we have an insult here that is reserved for people who are "the worst kind of unpleasant."

https://youtu.be/yNdWtNlJEzw

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Zeus has literally the worst takes on everything. Its truly amazing.

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DirtBasedSoap posted...

Zeus has literally the worst takes on everything. Its truly amazing.

its like watching a man cut off his penis to spite his balls, ok?

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streamofthesky posted...

Oh, you're back?

I like that you keep trying to troll with that, like I was ever gone. I've been here all along -- debunking your bullshit -- but you couldn't hear the voice of reason over your loud ranting and raving.

streamofthesky posted...

Here to do damage control about Trump being a chickenhawk neocon, I guess.

>Claims not to be obsessed with Trump
>Either suggests or implies that Trump had something to do with Australia's fires or is otherwise bringing up Trump in yet another unrelated topic for no fucking reason

streamofthesky posted...

The easiest solution would be to just...pay them the fucking unemployment and waive the job search requirement for anyone serving as a volunteer fire fighter.

...because the fact that separate government agencies have separate funds is meaningless, apparently? Why not just ask that the post office pay them because that could be easier?

Nestama posted... Over here in Australia, if you're unemployed, you have to be on a Newstart allowance to kind of have some income in your life for food and a roof above your head (it's ~$530 every fortnight). Depending on which job network you go to, you either have to go to them every week, or every so often. HOWEVER, you are required to job search and apply to 20 jobs per month. People volunteering to fight the fires should be exempt of this because they are risking their lives (some volunteer firies have lost their lives) to save others. They don't have the time to go on seek and mygov and/or attend interviews.

Applying for 20 jobs is fucking nothing. You're suggesting that they don't have a free hour or two a month, unless Australia has some hidden requirement that you have to apply for the jobs through one government system and that government system has some kind of embedded glitches in it where each application takes hours and all other job search engines in the country are banned.

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Locke90 posted...

you really need to think for once in your life a leader leads they dont go swanning off on a holiday in the midst of a crisis the time for a holiday is after the crisis is finished secondly you call giving people what they "like" faux outrage seriously zeus these people have lost homes and livestock and family/friends giving them energy drinks and sweets is not helpful to anyone it would be like you losing everything you owned and your president giving you a tic tac food and thats not to mention that the areas that are on fire are going through a drought ie no water so if anything food and water is what is needed if other prime ministers can give out food and water as they have done in the past then scott morrison can do so as well.

Well at least you used a period at the end of all of that. :p

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Zeus posted...

Applying for 20 jobs is f***ing nothing. You're suggesting that they don't have a free hour or two a month, unless Australia has some hidden requirement that you have to apply for the jobs through one government system and that government system has some kind of embedded glitches in it where each application takes hours and all other job search engines in the country are banned.

Mate, the fact that they're volunteering their lives to save others should be more than enough to exempt them from having to search 20 jobs (and attend JSP meetings, agree to go to info sessions setup by their JSP, attend meetings with their JSP to get their payments back, etc) since they're technically working. Due to how ferocious these fires have been, I think it's safe to say the volunteer firies haven't had a free hour or two (some/most have completely missed spending Christmas with their families) and if they have, then they most likely used that time to eat, drink, sleep, call their loved ones, try not to let depression take hold, and/or plan on how to deal with the next bushfire (or the same one). Applying to 20 jobs is the least of their concerns.

An example of what some volunteer fire fighters are dealing with: https://www.reddit.com/r/australia/comments/ejw431/how_can_you_fight_that_unreal_footage/

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Zues has no clue about real life. Don't even bother trying to explain it to him.
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