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HylianFox 12/30/19 2:19:43 PM #1:	https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/hallmark-movies-are-the-most-insidious-authoritarian-propaganda-heres-how/ That is probably a startling statement to some. When most of us think about fascistically propagandistic movies, we think of the grotesque grandeur of Leni Riefenstahls films celebrating the Third Reich grand, but cold sweeping shots of soldiers goose-stepping and flags waving, all meant to inspire awe and terror. But the reality is, even in Nazi Germany, the majority of movies approved by the Nazi minister of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, were escapist and feather-light, with a Hallmark movie-style emphasis on the importance of normality. Theres plenty of reason that empty-headed kitsch fits neatly in the authoritarian worldview. Its storytelling that imitates the gestures of emotion without actually engaging with real feeling. The Hallmark movie steers clear of the real passion or deeper emotion that tends to be the engine driving more artful fiction. Characters who have real feelings, after all, can prompt empathetic reactions in the audience, and empathy for others is the greatest single threat to the authoritarian mindset. And so schmaltz walks through the paces of love without touching on any of the messy but compelling realities of it. Sadly, its hard to imagine it being any other way. The qualities that people cite when they defend Hallmark movies comforting, formulaic, soothing are all a result of the aggressively conformist impulse that drives them. And that impulse and fealty to the dominant culture stands in direct contrast to the values of diversity Hallmark facetiously claims to hold. Hallmark movies, with their emphasis on returning home and the pleasures of the small, domestic life, also send a not-at-all subtle signal of disdain for cosmopolitanism and curiosity about the larger world, which is exactly the sort of attitude that helps breed the kind of defensive white nationalism that we see growing in strength in the Donald Trump era. lol, yikes --- I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and my homosexuals FUH-LAMING! - Homer Simpson Don't be a turd. - Chris Pratt <cite>HylianFox posted [p:932243749] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>https://www.alternet.org/2019/12/hallmark-movies-are-the-most-insidious-authoritarian-propaganda-heres-how/ <quote>That is probably a startling statement to some. When most of us think about fascistically propagandistic movies, we think of the grotesque grandeur of Leni Riefenstahls films celebrating the Third Reich grand, but cold sweeping shots of soldiers goose-stepping and flags waving, all meant to inspire awe and terror. But the reality is, even in Nazi Germany, the majority of movies approved by the Nazi minister of propaganda, Joseph Goebbels, were escapist and feather-light, with a Hallmark movie-style emphasis on the importance of normality. Theres plenty of reason that empty-headed kitsch fits neatly in the authoritarian worldview. Its storytelling that imitates the gestures of emotion without actually engaging with real feeling. The Hallmark movie steers clear of the real passion or deeper emotion that tends to be the engine driving more artful fiction. Characters who have real feelings, after all, can prompt empathetic reactions in the audience, and empathy for others is the greatest single threat to the authoritarian mindset. And so schmaltz walks through the paces of love without touching on any of the messy but compelling realities of it.</quote> <quote>Sadly, its hard to imagine it being any other way. The qualities that people cite when they defend Hallmark movies comforting, formulaic, soothing are all a result of the aggressively conformist impulse that drives them. And that impulse and fealty to the dominant culture stands in direct contrast to the values of diversity Hallmark facetiously claims to hold. Hallmark movies, with their emphasis on returning home and the pleasures of the small, domestic life, also send a not-at-all subtle signal of disdain for cosmopolitanism and curiosity about the larger world, which is exactly the sort of attitude that helps breed the kind of defensive white nationalism that we see growing in strength in the Donald Trump era.</quote> lol, yikes </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 2:21:05 PM #2:	Is this what SJWs actually believe? <cite>coh posted [p:932243813] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Is this what SJWs actually believe? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
sevihaimerej 12/30/19 2:26:25 PM #3:	Doesn't seem like this was written by a human, I'm leaning more towards the author being a horse skull full of spiders and some kinda sentient goo --- https://imgtc.com/Y8ojZ3x <cite>sevihaimerej posted [p:932244021] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Doesn't seem like this was written by a human, I'm leaning more towards the author being a horse skull full of spiders and some kinda sentient goo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/30/19 2:26:32 PM #4:	wow. this holiday monday must be a slow news day --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:932244028] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>wow. this holiday monday must be a slow news day</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/30/19 2:29:59 PM #5:	Seems pretty accurate. What's the problem? --- Everyone gangsta until country roads starts playing. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:932244167] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Seems pretty accurate. What's the problem? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/30/19 2:32:05 PM #6:	What you chose not to copy and pasting seems noteworthy Instead of characters driven by real feelings, therefore, the guiding hand of normalcy pulls the characters along through narratives and unsurprisingly, that idea of normalcy doesnt have a lot of room for the true diversity of American experiences. This much is evident in the efforts to include Jewish characters in recent Hallmark holiday movies which, by all accounts, seems like a complete disaster in part because the rule of normalcy reorients everything towards a very narrow, sentimentalized version of Christmas. In the Hallmark-Lifetime Cinematic Universe, Hanukkah and the characters who celebrate it exist only in relation to Christmas, Nancy Coleman of th New York Times complained, adding that the Hallmark movie Holiday Date could, with remarkably little editing turn into a Jewish Get Out.' Britni de la Cretaz, writing for the Washington Post, not only complained that the Jewish Hallmark movies were Christmas movies with Jewish characters, but also that the movies rely on some of the oldest anti-Semitic tropes in the book, such as painting one Jewish character as the perpetual outsider who is sneaky, untrustworthy. The drama hinges on Jewish characters being compelled to observe Christmas, and the tension resolves only when these outsiders learn how to participate in or appreciate the dominant religious tradition, she adds. ... If you dont believe me, listen to authoritarians themselves. At the Federalist, which is ground zero website for generating frankly fascist culture war arguments, Hans Fiene argues that, culturally speaking, Hallmark Christmas movies are noticeably Christian. By this, Fiene isnt talking about characters who actually go to church or pray even self-identified conservative Christians dont want to see that but a set of patriarchal and authoritarian values that are more about white evangelicals defining themselves as an ethnic group, and not about a genuine feeling of spirituality. The movies always depict a heroine who begins the story loving her self-involved life in the city chooses family and a life of self-sacrifice in her hometown, he writes, arguing that its the last remaining hideout for those who want a fantasy of a world where the cynicism and immorality of modern life arent allowed. By cynicism and immmorality, Fiene explains hes talking about fornication and acceptance of sexual deviants, by which he means LGBTQ people. None of this, of course, means that everyone who watches Hallmark Christmas movies is some kind of fledgling fascist. These movies are not for me, but I believe people when they say they find it relaxing to watch these predictable movies that have low stakes because none of the characters feel like real people. Ive got my own flavors of trashy entertainment I fully enjoy without mistaking it for high art. (Baby Yoda, whats up?) Still, its critical to be mindful of the role that Hallmark movies are actually playing in our society. The very fact that theyre presented as harmless fluff makes it all the more insidious, the way they work to enforce very narrow, white, heteronormative, sexist, provincial ideas of what constitutes normal. Its easy to spot fascist propaganda when its goose-stepping Pepe-the-frog memes. Its a lot harder to notice how its working when its tied up in Christmas cheer and suggesting grinchhood of anyone who questions the rigidity of its worldview. As University of Richmond communications professor Nicole Maurantonio wrote in a recent piece exposing the sneakily racist propaganda of Confederate-themed Christmas ornaments, seemingly apolitical objects like cookbooks, toys and Christmas ornaments commemorating Confederate history serve to normalize, and in doing so, make white supremacy seem less harmful than it actually is. Decide for yourself whether any of this critique is unreasonable or not, but it's not based on nothing. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:932244255] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>What you chose not to copy and pasting seems noteworthy <quote>Instead of characters driven by real feelings, therefore, the guiding hand of normalcy pulls the characters along through narratives and unsurprisingly, that idea of normalcy doesnt have a lot of room for the true diversity of American experiences. This much is evident in the efforts to include Jewish characters in recent Hallmark holiday movies which, by all accounts, seems like a complete disaster in part because the rule of normalcy reorients everything towards a very narrow, sentimentalized version of Christmas. In the Hallmark-Lifetime Cinematic Universe, Hanukkah and the characters who celebrate it exist only in relation to Christmas, Nancy Coleman of th New York Times complained, adding that the Hallmark movie Holiday Date could, with remarkably little editing turn into a Jewish Get Out.' Britni de la Cretaz, writing for the Washington Post, not only complained that the Jewish Hallmark movies were Christmas movies with Jewish characters, but also that the movies rely on some of the oldest anti-Semitic tropes in the book, such as painting one Jewish character as the perpetual outsider who is sneaky, untrustworthy. The drama hinges on Jewish characters being compelled to observe Christmas, and the tension resolves only when these outsiders learn how to participate in or appreciate the dominant religious tradition, she adds. ... If you dont believe me, listen to authoritarians themselves. At the Federalist, which is ground zero website for generating frankly fascist culture war arguments, Hans Fiene argues that, culturally speaking, Hallmark Christmas movies are noticeably Christian. By this, Fiene isnt talking about characters who actually go to church or pray even self-identified conservative Christians dont want to see that but a set of patriarchal and authoritarian values that are more about white evangelicals defining themselves as an ethnic group, and not about a genuine feeling of spirituality. The movies always depict a heroine who begins the story loving her self-involved life in the city chooses family and a life of self-sacrifice in her hometown, he writes, arguing that its the last remaining hideout for those who want a fantasy of a world where the cynicism and immorality of modern life arent allowed. By cynicism and immmorality, Fiene explains hes talking about fornication and acceptance of sexual deviants, by which he means LGBTQ people. None of this, of course, means that everyone who watches Hallmark Christmas movies is some kind of fledgling fascist. These movies are not for me, but I believe people when they say they find it relaxing to watch these predictable movies that have low stakes because none of the characters feel like real people. Ive got my own flavors of trashy entertainment I fully enjoy without mistaking it for high art. (Baby Yoda, whats up?) Still, its critical to be mindful of the role that Hallmark movies are actually playing in our society. The very fact that theyre presented as harmless fluff makes it all the more insidious, the way they work to enforce very narrow, white, heteronormative, sexist, provincial ideas of what constitutes normal. Its easy to spot fascist propaganda when its goose-stepping Pepe-the-frog memes. Its a lot harder to notice how its working when its tied up in Christmas cheer and suggesting grinchhood of anyone who questions the rigidity of its worldview. As University of Richmond communications professor Nicole Maurantonio wrote in a recent piece exposing the sneakily racist propaganda of Confederate-themed Christmas ornaments, seemingly apolitical objects like cookbooks, toys and Christmas ornaments commemorating Confederate history serve to normalize, and in doing so, make white supremacy seem less harmful than it actually is.</quote> Decide for yourself whether any of this critique is unreasonable or not, but it's not based on nothing.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 2:36:33 PM #8:	Antifar posted... but it's not based on nothing. Yes it is. <cite>coh posted [p:932244421] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>but it's not based on nothing.</quote>Yes it is. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
TheMikh 12/30/19 2:36:58 PM #9:	pop journalism was a mistake --- https://imgur.com/A0TAfek <cite>TheMikh posted [p:932244435] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>pop journalism was a mistake </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 12/30/19 2:38:05 PM #10:	Antifar posted... What you chose not to copy and pasting seems noteworthy But that hurts the narrative! --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:932244480] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>What you chose not to copy and pasting seems noteworthy</quote>But that hurts the narrative! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
PostCrisisJ2 12/30/19 2:40:04 PM #11:	SJWs, fascism... I just want my Columbo marathons back for god's sake! --- RIP Stephen Hawking 1942-2018 <cite>PostCrisisJ2 posted [p:932244565] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>SJWs, fascism... I just want my Columbo marathons back for god's sake! </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Dragon239 12/30/19 2:40:24 PM #12:	Huh. Interesting thought. I would've avoided calling it fascist authoritarian propaganda simply because of the obvious "lol SJWs" reactions and instant dismissal it'll provoke, but, hey. --- https://imgur.com/nkZgO <cite>Dragon239 posted [p:932244573] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Huh. Interesting thought. I would've avoided calling it fascist authoritarian propaganda simply because of the obvious "lol SJWs" reactions and instant dismissal it'll provoke, but, hey. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/30/19 2:41:46 PM #13:	HylianFox posted... growing in strength in the Donald Trump era. Of course they mention Trump. So Hallmark got him elected? <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:932244640] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>HylianFox posted... </cite> <quote>growing in strength in the Donald Trump era.</quote> Of course they mention Trump. So Hallmark got him elected? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
darkphoenix181 12/30/19 2:44:33 PM #14:	This has me thinking though, if enough people start saying this to Hallmark One day we might get a hallmark movie set in the ghetto where the mc is addicted to drugs and his only companion is his loyal golden retriever A gang steals his dog and he goes in guns blazin to save her. ~~Then he kisses her and she transforms to a hot b actress and they bone~~ Truly a tale of emotion and love. <cite>darkphoenix181 posted [p:932244767] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>This has me thinking though, if enough people start saying this to Hallmark One day we might get a hallmark movie set in the ghetto where the mc is addicted to drugs and his only companion is his loyal golden retriever A gang steals his dog and he goes in guns blazin to save her. Then he kisses her and she transforms to a hot b actress and they bone Truly a tale of emotion and love. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ThePrinceFish 12/30/19 2:45:01 PM #15:	darkphoenix181 posted... Of course they mention Trump. So Hallmark got him elected? Trump did win the married white woman demo --- Dielman on Rivers: "I've tried to get him to say s--- or f--- and all he'll ever do is say 'Golly gee, I can't do that" Quis custodiet ipsos custodes? <cite>ThePrinceFish posted [p:932244784] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>darkphoenix181 posted... </cite> <quote>Of course they mention Trump. So Hallmark got him elected?</quote>Trump did win the married white woman demo </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
LiteCoin 12/30/19 2:45:35 PM #16:	They are boring movies for boomers lol Why give them any space in your mind? <cite>LiteCoin posted [p:932244805] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>They are boring movies for boomers lol Why give them any space in your mind? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
JKRowling 12/30/19 2:46:01 PM #17:	What about Lifetime movies? --- https://tinyurl.com/uomcflq https://youtu.be/jS-sxJFn6O0 https://youtu.be/vUO4dmDPvFo https://tinyurl.com/thkkosc <cite>JKRowling posted [p:932244826] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>What about Lifetime movies?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
garlic powder 12/30/19 2:48:33 PM #18:	It's almost like these movies are catering to 50-60 year old Moms and stuff... --- What, this isn't Resident Evil? Dying means nothing. It's simply a minor setback, if that.-radioraheem <cite>garlic powder posted [p:932244926] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>It's almost like these movies are catering to 50-60 year old Moms and stuff... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 2:48:44 PM #19:	(Searches internet for insane people) (finds website of insane fascists) (Posts article from website of insane fascists) (Pretends to be blown away by this crazy opinion when they clearly went out looking for the craziest opinion out there) (Waits for inevitable suggestion that this is the prevailing opinion of [Insert political group we dislike]) (Rinse, Repeat) <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932244937] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>(Searches internet for insane people) (finds website of insane fascists) (Posts article from website of insane fascists) (Pretends to be blown away by this crazy opinion when they clearly went out looking for the craziest opinion out there) (Waits for inevitable suggestion that this is the prevailing opinion of [Insert political group we dislike]) (Rinse, Repeat)</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 2:50:34 PM #20:	garlic powder posted... It's almost like these movies are catering to 50-60 year old Moms and stuff... Old ladies are fascists now. It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards <cite>coh posted [p:932245010] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>garlic powder posted... </cite> <quote>It's almost like these movies are catering to 50-60 year old Moms and stuff...</quote>Old ladies are fascists now. It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
BLAKUboy 12/30/19 2:52:31 PM #21:	Dragon239 posted... Huh. Interesting thought. I would've avoided calling it fascist authoritarian propaganda simply because of the obvious "lol SJWs" reactions and instant dismissal it'll provoke, but, hey. You shouldn't neuter your journalism just because idiots that can't read past the headline are going to out themselves. --- Aeris dies if she takes more damage than her current HP - Panthera https://signavatar.com/26999_s.png <cite>BLAKUboy posted [p:932245099] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Dragon239 posted... </cite> <quote>Huh. Interesting thought. I would've avoided calling it fascist authoritarian propaganda simply because of the obvious "lol SJWs" reactions and instant dismissal it'll provoke, but, hey.</quote>You shouldn't neuter your journalism just because idiots that can't read past the headline are going to out themselves. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/30/19 2:54:33 PM #22:	JKRowling posted... What about Lifetime movies? Lifetime is liberal <cite>Zikten posted [p:932245184] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>JKRowling posted... </cite> <quote>What about Lifetime movies?</quote>Lifetime is liberal </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Antifar 12/30/19 2:59:53 PM #23:	coh posted... It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards Nobody in their 60s fought any Nazis. --- kin to all that throbs <cite>Antifar posted [p:932245402] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>coh posted...</cite> <quote>It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards</quote> Nobody in their 60s fought any Nazis.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 12/30/19 3:02:26 PM #24:	coh posted... Old ladies are fascists now. It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:932245525] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Old ladies are fascists now. It's funny how the generation that literally fought fascism would be considered fascists by today's standards</quote> What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 3:02:59 PM #25:	Antifar posted... Nobody in their 60s fought any Nazis. I'm not saying they did. I meant the generation before them <cite>coh posted [p:932245553] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Antifar posted... </cite> <quote>Nobody in their 60s fought any Nazis.</quote>I'm not saying they did. I meant the generation before them </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zikten 12/30/19 3:03:15 PM #26:	Shablagoo posted... What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? Well they were hippy protesters and they rebelled against their parents generation <cite>Zikten posted [p:932245568] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight?</quote>Well they were hippy protesters and they rebelled against their parents generation </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 12/30/19 3:03:32 PM #27:	coh posted... I'm not saying they did. I meant the generation before them That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:932245582] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>I'm not saying they did. I meant the generation before them</quote> That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 3:03:49 PM #28:	What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932245594] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 3:04:51 PM #29:	Shablagoo posted... That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. I don't think that's true at all. <cite>coh posted [p:932245635] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists.</quote>I don't think that's true at all. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Pseudomenon 12/30/19 3:08:09 PM #30:	Hotel_Security posted... What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position. holy shit --- https://imgur.com/ZzqY3ze <cite>Pseudomenon posted [p:932245778] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted... </cite> <quote>What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position.</quote>holy shit </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 3:10:20 PM #32:	Hotel_Security posted... What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position. The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy. <cite>coh posted [p:932245868] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted... </cite> <quote>What fascism did the Baby Boomer generation fight? At the least the Koreans and Vietnamese. That generation tended to lean left so I dont think anyone would be calling them fascists. Huh? Fascists are generally those who lean super-left on the political spectrum. It's complete control of all portions of people's life under the guise of safety and protection...this is very much an extreme leftist position.</quote>The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Nunyobidness 12/30/19 3:13:18 PM #33:	coh posted... The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy. Except if your gay, bisexual, transgender or in an interracial relationship, and for God's sake speak American! The silliness of what you just posted... <cite>Nunyobidness posted [p:932245978] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy.</quote> Except if your gay, bisexual, transgender or in an interracial relationship, and for God's sake speak American! The silliness of what you just posted... </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
spudger 12/30/19 3:15:57 PM #34:	Nunyobidness posted... The silliness of what you just posted... p. sure thats his gimmick --- -Only dead fish swim with the current http://error1355.com/ce/spudger.html <cite>spudger posted [p:932246070] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Nunyobidness posted...</cite> <quote>The silliness of what you just posted... </quote> p. sure thats his gimmick</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/30/19 3:30:33 PM #35:	Fascism is, by definition, far right, and the American right wing is very very close to fascism. Its got the myth-laden nationalism, the militarism, the authoriatianism and hierarchy...about the only thing its missing is uhh, like, I dunno, but I'm sure its there. --- Everyone gangsta until country roads starts playing. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:932246694] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Fascism is, by definition, far right, and the American right wing is very very close to fascism. Its got the myth-laden nationalism, the militarism, the authoriatianism and hierarchy...about the only thing its missing is uhh, like, I dunno, but I'm sure its there. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 3:36:14 PM #36:	The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy. Well, there's a mix of this. For example, Russia is "socially conservative." Very anti-gay, very strict on religion and with severe curtailing on free speech and with a downplay on feminism and such. However, Russia is "Fiscally liberal" and socialist since the economy is heavily dependent on the State controlling all commerce...which is a very leftist idea. So fascism can reflect different things and possibly both sides at times. and the American right wing is very very close to fascism. The sides in America are not "close" to it at all. We can't even fathom what fascism would be like here since we're so far from it. A bit of an ignorant comment. ts got the myth-laden nationalism, the militarism, the authoriatianism and hierarchy... That describes every major country. I don't get what point you're making. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932246923] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>The American right wing at least is nothing like fascism. They advocate individualism, liberty and a free market economy. Well, there's a mix of this. For example, Russia is "socially conservative." Very anti-gay, very strict on religion and with severe curtailing on free speech and with a downplay on feminism and such. However, Russia is "Fiscally liberal" and socialist since the economy is heavily dependent on the State controlling all commerce...which is a very leftist idea. So fascism can reflect different things and possibly both sides at times. and the American right wing is very very close to fascism. The sides in America are not "close" to it at all. We can't even fathom what fascism would be like here since we're so far from it. A bit of an ignorant comment. ts got the myth-laden nationalism, the militarism, the authoriatianism and hierarchy... That describes every major country. I don't get what point you're making.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/30/19 3:46:30 PM #37:	Hotel_Security posted... The sides in America are not "close" to it at all. We can't even fathom what fascism would be like here since we're so far from it. A bit of an ignorant comment. No, its pretty easy to fathom. All you have to do is look at the rise and rhetoric of fascism from other countries, and look at the modern day Republican party, and the parallels are striking. Hotel_Security posted... That describes every major country. I don't get what point you're making. Most major countries have a fascist-leaning party or two. The USA has the Republicans. --- Everyone gangsta until country roads starts playing. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:932247369] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote><quote>Hotel_Security posted... </cite> The sides in America are not "close" to it at all. We can't even fathom what fascism would be like here since we're so far from it. A bit of an ignorant comment.</quote>No, its pretty easy to fathom. All you have to do is look at the rise and rhetoric of fascism from other countries, and look at the modern day Republican party, and the parallels are striking. Hotel_Security posted... </cite> <quote>That describes every major country. I don't get what point you're making.</quote>Most major countries have a fascist-leaning party or two. The USA has the Republicans. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 3:49:02 PM #38:	IShall_Run_Amok posted... The USA has the Republicans. eye roll <cite>coh posted [p:932247453] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>IShall_Run_Amok posted... </cite> <quote>The USA has the Republicans.</quote>eye roll </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 3:56:49 PM #39:	No, its pretty easy to fathom. All you have to do is look at the rise and rhetoric of fascism from other countries, and look at the modern day Republican party, and the parallels are striking. No, it's not. The "rise and rhetoric" of fascism in other countries is from a political mindset formed over the last 50-80 years or longer that is mostly shared by the general public. China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom...they are conditioned through generations of the idea of the "the state before the individual." Russia, Korea, Iran Vietnam...they're all the same...almost no one who is even alive in those countries remembers any time when they were "free." This is not something that just "rises up" over the course of a few years and certainly not because we elected a president you don't like. These places are how they are because fascism is conditioned into their people. They've never known real freedom and their connection to places that have it are blocked so they never know to rebel. Compare this to the attitude in America and it's night and day and it's laughable you suggest that they're the same. You don't even understand how fascism started in these places and yet you're claiming that someone will flip a switch and it'll happen here? This is the height of the lazy alarmism that the media and young people LOVE to toss out there. Heaven forbid we just accept that America is pretty great and we enjoy it...why the need to pretend that Americans are some poor victims? Of what? Most major countries have a fascist-leaning party or two. The USA has the Republicans. THe Republicans are not a fascist-leaning party and spare me this crap, please...how would you expect me to take your fascism comments seriously when you follow it up with this biased nonsense? Think for yourself and don't regurgitate the left's alarmism news back at me as facts. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932247773] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>No, its pretty easy to fathom. All you have to do is look at the rise and rhetoric of fascism from other countries, and look at the modern day Republican party, and the parallels are striking. No, it's not. The "rise and rhetoric" of fascism in other countries is from a political mindset formed over the last 50-80 years or longer that is mostly shared by the general public. China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom...they are conditioned through generations of the idea of the "the state before the individual." Russia, Korea, Iran Vietnam...they're all the same...almost no one who is even alive in those countries remembers any time when they were "free." This is not something that just "rises up" over the course of a few years and certainly not because we elected a president you don't like. These places are how they are because fascism is conditioned into their people. They've never known real freedom and their connection to places that have it are blocked so they never know to rebel. Compare this to the attitude in America and it's night and day and it's laughable you suggest that they're the same. You don't even understand how fascism started in these places and yet you're claiming that someone will flip a switch and it'll happen here? This is the height of the lazy alarmism that the media and young people LOVE to toss out there. Heaven forbid we just accept that America is pretty great and we enjoy it...why the need to pretend that Americans are some poor victims? Of what? Most major countries have a fascist-leaning party or two. The USA has the Republicans. THe Republicans are not a fascist-leaning party and spare me this crap, please...how would you expect me to take your fascism comments seriously when you follow it up with this biased nonsense? Think for yourself and don't regurgitate the left's alarmism news back at me as facts.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/30/19 4:00:28 PM #40:	Hotel_Security posted... No, it's not. Yes, it is. The rest of your post can basically be answered that way, too. Like, no, you're wrong, dude. You don't even know what fascism is. "China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom"? That's not what fascism is, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Republican party and its fascist traits. --- Everyone gangsta until country roads starts playing. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:932247918] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Hotel_Security posted... </cite> <quote>No, it's not.</quote>Yes, it is. The rest of your post can basically be answered that way, too. Like, no, you're wrong, dude. You don't even know what fascism is. "China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom"? That's not what fascism is, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Republican party and its fascist traits. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 12/30/19 4:04:34 PM #41:	Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public. I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord. --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:932248085] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public. I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
AirFresh 12/30/19 4:06:35 PM #42:	:( --- AirFresh - Voted the hottest content creator on The FAQs' #KeepItFresh <cite>AirFresh posted [p:932248160] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>:( </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
coh 12/30/19 4:07:41 PM #43:	Shablagoo posted... Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public. I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord. What the hell? No, it is not ingrained in the public. Give me a break. <cite>coh posted [p:932248212] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public. I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord.</quote>What the hell? No, it is not ingrained in the public. Give me a break. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 4:11:00 PM #44:	The rest of your post can basically be answered that way, too. Like, no, you're wrong, dude. It can't be but you're going to pretend that it is. Sadly, you just can't admit you don't know what you're talking about so you resort to the "I'll just declare he's wrong and then pretend it's so obvious that I don't even have to say why" tactic. Given that you were spewing anti-Trump rhetoric at me and using that as facts behind your fascism commentary then it's clear that you're not really researching any of this and I'm not missing out on much from you not responding anyway. "China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom"? That's not what fascism is, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Republican party and its fascist traits. Well, that's correct. That's NOT what fascism is. Because that's not what I stated fascism to be and you're just trying to dumb down my comment because you don't understand it. And, yes, it also has nothing to do with the Republican Party. You also accidentally got that right as well. Maybe if I say you got something right you'll be happy at being declared right and will stop desperately trying to "win" the argument. Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public Where? Where are we all in favor of censoring free speech? Where are we in favor of govt control over the internet? Where are all the people who want to ban all guns? Where are all the people who want govt to own all businesses? Where are the people who want to ban gays, religions, and other thoughts. Where are the folks calling for your arrest for speaking out against govt? This is fascism and there is no one in our govt pushing for any of this. Again, can the left get their head out of their ass and stop pretending that, because your president is rude and sends mean tweets, then he's some agent of fascism? The way people act like Trump's action will have any meaninful impact on our freedoms is just the height of ignorance and makes people look like they have no sense of history. Can we get a single response that isn't someone mindlessly fear-mongering about something that won't happen? Is that all you people read now? What the hell? No, it is not ingrained in the public. None of these statements ever make sense. American internet is filled with people hating Trump and his ideas and yet we're also supposed to believe we're also all fascists? What? These guys don't even get that them bitching about Trump is proving my point on how far we are from fascism. <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932248344] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>The rest of your post can basically be answered that way, too. Like, no, you're wrong, dude. It can't be but you're going to pretend that it is. Sadly, you just can't admit you don't know what you're talking about so you resort to the "I'll just declare he's wrong and then pretend it's so obvious that I don't even have to say why" tactic. Given that you were spewing anti-Trump rhetoric at me and using that as facts behind your fascism commentary then it's clear that you're not really researching any of this and I'm not missing out on much from you not responding anyway. "China is a country of fascism because those people have never known freedom"? That's not what fascism is, and it doesn't have anything to do with the Republican party and its fascist traits. Well, that's correct. That's NOT what fascism is. Because that's not what I stated fascism to be and you're just trying to dumb down my comment because you don't understand it. And, yes, it also has nothing to do with the Republican Party. You also accidentally got that right as well. Maybe if I say you got something right you'll be happy at being declared right and will stop desperately trying to "win" the argument. Not to mention, fascism has been rising in the U.S. for many decades now and is ingrained in the general public Where? Where are we all in favor of censoring free speech? Where are we in favor of govt control over the internet? Where are all the people who want to ban all guns? Where are all the people who want govt to own all businesses? Where are the people who want to ban gays, religions, and other thoughts. Where are the folks calling for your arrest for speaking out against govt? This is fascism and there is no one in our govt pushing for any of this. Again, can the left get their head out of their ass and stop pretending that, because your president is rude and sends mean tweets, then he's some agent of fascism? The way people act like Trump's action will have any meaninful impact on our freedoms is just the height of ignorance and makes people look like they have no sense of history. Can we get a single response that isn't someone mindlessly fear-mongering about something that won't happen? Is that all you people read now? What the hell? No, it is not ingrained in the public. None of these statements ever make sense. American internet is filled with people hating Trump and his ideas and yet we're also supposed to believe we're also all fascists? What? These guys don't even get that them bitching about Trump is proving my point on how far we are from fascism.</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
IShall_Run_Amok 12/30/19 4:13:52 PM #45:	I'm putting this dufus on ignore. I didn't even mention Donald Trump, let alone "spew" it. I recommend everyone else do the same. --- Everyone gangsta until country roads starts playing. <cite>IShall_Run_Amok posted [p:932248473] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>I'm putting this dufus on ignore. I didn't even mention Donald Trump, let alone "spew" it. I recommend everyone else do the same. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Hotel_Security 12/30/19 4:15:49 PM #46:	I'm putting this dufus on ignore. LOL. Thank goodness. Don't have to see these whiny responses anymore. Kid can't even accept that he has no clue about fascism and, because I won't agree that the Republicans are evil fascists, he puts me on ignore. Sounds like something a fascist would do, ironically. Censoring themselves from any ideas that are not their own. I didn't even mention Donald Trump Oh, but you just mention "the Republicans" but that clearly doesn't include Trump somehow... I recommend everyone else do the same. Aww, don't want them to see me make fun of your awful commentary? <cite>Hotel_Security posted [p:932248547] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>I'm putting this dufus on ignore. LOL. Thank goodness. Don't have to see these whiny responses anymore. Kid can't even accept that he has no clue about fascism and, because I won't agree that the Republicans are evil fascists, he puts me on ignore. Sounds like something a fascist would do, ironically. Censoring themselves from any ideas that are not their own. I didn't even mention Donald Trump Oh, but you just mention "the Republicans" but that clearly doesn't include Trump somehow... I recommend everyone else do the same. Aww, don't want them to see me make fun of your awful commentary?</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Shablagoo 12/30/19 4:19:24 PM #47:	Shablagoo posted... I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord. --- "It was some post on the NFL board that got him." -AwesomeToTheMAX <cite>Shablagoo posted [p:932248695] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>Shablagoo posted... </cite> <quote>I think a lot of these type of people only started paying attention to politics when Trump got elected, so they see our criticism of the American zeitgeist that has developed over the past 40 or so years as a personal attack on their lord.</quote> </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
ColdOne666 12/30/19 4:45:26 PM #48:	The far left are insane. --- Zelda and Mario are overrated. Comics are for kids. https://imgur.com/LJ3WSyB . Germany and Great Britain should have been on the same side in WW2. <cite>ColdOne666 posted [p:932249758] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>The far left are insane. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
Zack_Attackv1 12/30/19 4:47:04 PM #49:	What the --- https://imgur.com/iIBI2WB https://imgur.com/Wz5wYeT <cite>Zack_Attackv1 posted [p:932249809] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>What the</quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/30/19 4:56:05 PM #50:	coh posted... Is this what SJWs actually believe? An individual is not a whole group. This is what one person believes. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:932250152] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>coh posted... </cite> <quote>Is this what SJWs actually believe?</quote>An individual is not a whole group. This is what one person believes. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
creativerealms 12/30/19 5:00:06 PM #51:	One person who happens to be part of the left says something and suddenly that's what every "far left woke SJW" believes. Sad. --- Occam's razor: The simplest solution (answer) is most likely the right one <cite>creativerealms posted [p:932250319] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>One person who happens to be part of the left says something and suddenly that's what every "far left woke SJW" believes. Sad. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
vigorm0rtis 12/30/19 5:01:48 PM #52:	If my eyes rolled any harder I might lose them. --- "Can't wait to count out your coin!" -- Bethesda, 2018 <cite>vigorm0rtis posted [p:932250379] in "Hall... [t:78293204]...</cite> <quote>If my eyes rolled any harder I might lose them. </quote> ... Copied to Clipboard!
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