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Religion isn't the cause of hate. It's just the excuse these people use. If it wasn't "the Bible" then they would come up with some other reason to be hateful towards others that are different.

lolife67 posted...

Religion isn't the cause of hate. It's just the excuse these people use. If it wasn't "the Bible" then they would come up with some other reason to be hateful towards others that are different.

Because hatred has an internal origin, not an external origin. And every single human being who has ever lived or ever will live possesses it. No exceptions. It's comical to listen to someone go on a self-righteous rant about hate and bigotry.

Religion goes down in the west, nationalism goes up in the west.

darkphoenix181 posted...

If you seriously believe this....yikes.

Then yikes. Religion has always been. Wars are always in connection with religion.

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this is what Witcher fans should do over Triss

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Why won't Trump say "radical christian terrorism?"

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Why won't Trump say "radical christian terrorism?"

because Christians can't be terrorists, duh
>_>

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Sayoria posted...

Then yikes. Religion has always been. Wars are always in connection with religion.

That's a fail.

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EbonTitanium posted...

That's a fail.

They aren't always but prior to 1800s most of the worst wars were over religion.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

They aren't always but prior to 1800s most of the worst wars were over religion.

I'm pretty sure people have been stabbed to death over getting the last 4K TV on the shelf at a Black Friday sale. Are 4K TVs evil?

EbonTitanium posted...

That's a fail.

Not really. What's a war or two that had no connection to religion at all?

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OfDustandBone posted...

I'm pretty sure people have been stabbed to death over getting the last 4K TV on the shelf at a Black Friday sale. Are 4K TVs evil?

Not really the same thing pal. 4k tvs don't preach hate and vitriol that lead to jihads, crusades, the thirty years war, abortion clinic bombings, abortion doctor murders, gay club bombings or shootings, or any of the other myriad of historical disasters brought about because the priests of your sky wizard preach hatred of people who don't share their views.

This shit doesn't happen in a vacuum. Do you want to pretend that it wasn't hundreds of years of preaching hate against jews from European Catholic and Protestant priests that made it so easy for people from Poland and Germany to turn their heads during the events of 1933 to 1945?

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hockeybub89 posted...

Surely everyone that rallied behind Charlie Hebdo will stand in solidarity with this troupe and their free speech

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Sayoria posted...

Not really. What's a war or two that had no connection to religion at all?

Off the top of my head, American Revolutionary war.
Fought over independence. And almost every country in the world has had such a war for independence.

Then we have WWII.
What religious ideology fueled the desire for a 3rd reich?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_views_of_Adolf_Hitler

Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious, anti-Christian, anti-clerical and scientistic.[1] In light of evidence such as his fierce criticism and vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity,[2] numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition,[1] and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity

Basically one war is used to hate religion, the crusades.

Btw, not only was Hitler an anti-religious atheist, so was Stalin.
Both men together have the blood of millions on their 4 hands.

Sayoria posted...

Not really. What's a war or two that had no connection to religion at all?

The American Civil War, the War of 1812, Vietnam.

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Basically, most wars are fought over land and power.

Sometimes power can be a religious struggle but usually not. And when it is, often that is a mask for the dictator to hide his ambitions behind.

ScazarMeltex posted...

They aren't always but prior to 1800s most of the worst wars were over religion.

Errr I'm pretty sure this is complete bullshit. Most wars were fought over shit like "This is my country now" or "We don't have enough food let's conquer the nearby farming tribe" and "Those guys have more money than me and I don't like that"

Now in the middle ages a lot of wars were connected to religion by vector of the Catholic Church providing financial support but were still about base imperialism and conquest. The British didn't invade India and then try to convert anyone. They just wanted to take their natural resources.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

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this is what happens when ancient idiotic drug induced beliefs still used in modern world.

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Sayoria posted...

Then yikes. Religion has always been. Wars are always in connection with religion.

Not really, rulers have used religion as a justification, but we were warring over land and resources long before religion came along.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

Maybe they are illegals who dont want to draw attention to themselves.

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ScazarMeltex posted...

Why won't Trump say "radical christian terrorism?"

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MrMallard posted...

Tyranthraxus posted...
Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

They've been denouncing the company that made the movie.

Tyranthraxus posted...

Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

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I wonder what the backlash would have been if instead of Jesus, it was Muhammad being portrayed as gay...

Pretty much every war between 500 AD and 1650 AD was religious

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In all of human history, religion as a cause of war accounts to something like 7%.

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Phewfus posted...

In all of human history, religion as a cause of war accounts to something like 7%.

Probably.

Garioshi posted...

Pretty much every war between 500 AD and 1650 AD was religious

Yea, I guess kings in the middle ages stopped caring about land and kingdoms and just wanted to please Jesus.
Oh wait, there is a bigger world than Europe.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Chinese_wars_and_battles

Kinda ironic that for the sake of hating religion people buy into nonsensical bullshit.
Wasn't the point of hating religion to supposedly get away from that?

Tyranthraxus posted...

Why isn't the Christian community doing more to denounce these guys though?

Why should they? The perpetrators are most likely Catholic.

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reminder that christians were basically wahhabi muslims up until secularists told them to shut the fuck up. this is one of many reasons why separation of church and state is important, because these sorts of people need to be brought down a few notches rather than empowered. nothing good comes out of letting religion run rampant

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Religion was usually used to cover-up the true reasons behind some wars.

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Sayoria once again affirming the tag attached to her

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ThyCorndog posted...

reminder that christians were basically wahhabi muslims up until secularists told them to shut the fuck up. this is one of many reasons why separation of church and state is important, because these sorts of people need to be brought down a few notches rather than empowered. nothing good comes out of letting religion run rampant

This 100%

I hate it when people try to use moderate religious groups as an example of religious successes when they only exist because secularists disciplined them often after centuries of intense violence

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This is what crazies do when you turn their religious figures homosexual

Still waiting for the mohammad sequel

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

This 100%

I hate it when people try to use moderate religious groups as an example of religious successes when they only exist because secularists disciplined them often after centuries of intense violence

And which secularists we're those, these great secular saviors of Western civilization that tamed the religious wild west?

EbonTitanium posted...

Religion was usually used to cover-up the true reasons behind some wars.

I think that's a notable distinction. Religion wasnt usually the sole driving factor in something, but it was an easy justification to rile up the people for a cause

Either way it's always struck me as strange that war is what people go for when trying to tie religion to violence. It affects smaller (but still horrible) scale violence a lot more commonly than anything as grand as war. Pogroms, religious morality leading to violent retributive laws, murders, or even just general cruelty and prejudice towards other groups

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There was also that Brazilian show about a cartels director or something who also died for it. Its a reminder that the world is still a risky place.

"Why don't religious people take responsibility for extremists?"
"Why don't white people take responsibility for racist cops?"
"Why don't (insert minority group) take responsibility for crime in their community?"

It's a stupid question no matter who asks it or of whom they ask it. All it is is a roundabout way of trying to validate one's one prejudices by claiming that the majority are somehow responsible for the actions of the few.

Anyone can tell you it's wrong to bomb an abortion clinic or try to kill someone for producing content you find objectionable. I shouldn't be expect to release an official statement as a Christian denouncing the act. Nobody's in support of it.

You want a statement denouncing it? Fine.
Murder is bad. Attempted murder is bad. The people who did this belong behind bars. (And, no, there aren't good people on "both sides" of attempted murder.)

Is that clear enough?

Am I an acceptable voice for the collective religious community -- comprising several faiths and the vast majority of the world population -- to be able to publicly denounce the act on this world platform of GameFAQs?

Why isn't the religious community speaking out about a minor headline that most of them probably haven't read. They must secretly support such extremism. (That's sarcasm.)

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Skye Reynolds posted...

"Why don't religious people take responsibility for extremists?"
"Why don't white people take responsibility for racist cops?"
"Why don't (insert minority group) take responsibility for crime in their community?"

It's a stupid question no matter who asks it or of whom they ask it. All it is is a roundabout way of trying to validate one's one prejudices by claiming that the majority are somehow responsible for the actions of the few.

Anyone can tell you it's wrong to bomb an abortion clinic or try to kill someone for producing content you find objectionable. I shouldn't be expect to release an official statement as a Christian denouncing the act. Nobody's in support of it.

You want a statement denouncing it? Fine.
Murder is bad. Attempted murder is bad. The people who did this belong behind bars. (And, no, there aren't good people on "both sides" of attempted murder.)

Is that clear enough?

Am I an acceptable voice for the collective religious community -- comprising several faiths and the vast majority of the world population -- to be able to publicly denounce the act on this world platform of GameFAQs?

Why isn't the religious community speaking out about a minor headline that most of them probably haven't read. They must secretly support such extremism. (That's sarcasm.)

Thats all well and fine but they often dont denounce major incidents either which they definitely should be doing.
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Imagine if every time a woman committed or attempted murder, we looked to prominent feminist activists for an official statement. By it's very nature, it's accusatory. "How do you feel about this act that a member of your circle committed? Do they speak for the rest of you?"

We're not responsible for the actions of others. You don't apologize whenever a member of your faith, your sex, your orientation, your ethnic background, or your nationality commits a heinous act. That's not you. That's them.

Again, I say the people looking for a statement are actually looking for validation of their own prejudices.

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Really, it's a catch-22.

If you don't release a statement, you condone or enable such actions by way of failure to publicly denounce such actions. If you do release a statement, you are taking responsibility for the actions of others. Which in turn means that it's your fault when someone else of the same demographic does something wrong.

The very nature of prejudice is to seek faults within the community as a whole and to make the worst the representatives of the whole.

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