Current Events > Witcher fans: ''I love Geralt. he's a human, but an outcast. people judge him

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without knowing who he really is, so he has a tough exterior. But at the end of the day, he's like anyone else, just different. its wrong that people judge him."

Also witcher fans:

"I admit that i don't like having black protagonist in my franchises and there is literally nothing wrong with that."

https://imgur.com/a/TqtgrbA

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"But that's pandering" -

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also the bit where he says geralt doesn't save monsters. yes he does. a lot actually. im still reading the first book and he's made a point of not killing harmless, intelligent monsters.

dummy.

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_BIueMonk posted...

also the bit where he says geralt doesn't save monsters. yes he does. a lot actually. im still reading the first book and he's made a point of not killing harmless, intelligent monsters.

dummy.

There is a brief example of this in one episode of the show also.

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People don't have a problem with black protagonists, they have a problem with major characters who are white being changed to black for no other reason then because it's trendy and for "diversity." You wouldn't change Jasmin or Mulan to a white chick, so why does Ariel need to be changed to a black chick?

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Gamerguymass posted...

People don't have a problem with black protagonists, they have a problem with major characters who are white being changed to black for no other reason then because it's trendy and for "diversity." You wouldn't change Jasmin or Mulan to a white chick, so why does Ariel need to be changed to a black chick?

to be fair, the crazy ass shitty people do have a problem with black protagonists
another, much larger portion of people, are just going "why change things for no clear reason"

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Lol, grown men still upset about Ariel this long.

Also, people identify as characters they THINK they are like, not the ones that they're actually like. The ones that have the qualities they romanticize themselves having. Characters that have traits they have and don't like upset them by invoking thoughts they don't want to confront.

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i'm more annoying with triss appearing way older than she should, as well as the weird jumping around the timeline. should have just adapted the books chronologically for the most part, but then we wouldn't have ciri for a while. the casting might make problems in the future since some of the cast that is now black is related to others so unless they just ignore the blood relation and cast differently it's going to be weird.

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Gamerguymass posted...

People don't have a problem with black protagonists, they have a problem with major characters who are white being changed to black for no other reason then because it's trendy and for "diversity." You wouldn't change Jasmin or Mulan to a white chick, so why does Ariel need to be changed to a black chick?

There is a cultural association with Jasmin and Mulan, and both characters are tied into that culture, along with the plot of the films. Ariel is a fucking mermaid from a fictional undersea world. I don't get why that's hard to understand.

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The Witcher 3 is a game full of strong females though, so da fuq is that person on about?

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Gamerguymass posted...

You wouldn't change Jasmin or Mulan to a white chick, so why does Ariel need to be changed to a black chick?

The first two characters are based on real cultures (Mulan is based on a potentially real person). Ariel is literally a mythical creature. It's like genie being blue or whatever, just a total non-issue. There was also a Japanese version of Little Mermaid called Ponyo, and a Chinese live action one called The Mermaid. I just don't think Ariel is a good example for this when that story has been adapted to many cultures already.

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I see that you are trying to make a point but, for the life of me, I can't figure out what it is.

Fans being fake. Nothing new here.

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MabusIncarnate posted...

There is a cultural association with Jasmin and Mulan, and both characters are tied into that culture, along with the plot of the films. Ariel is a fucking mermaid from a fictional undersea world. I don't get why that's hard to understand.

And what is so hard to understand that everything about the Little Mermaid is based off of European culture? Its a Danish story. Atlantis was also possibly a real city, either way it is still a European myth/legend/real place. Mermaids have also all been portrayed as white in popular culture in America which is what the Little Mermaid was made for by an American company based off of a European story. There was absolutely no need to change her other then Hollywood's weird continuing war on redheads fetish.

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There's no war on redheads.

And what you're simply doing here is taking one acceptable thing and comparing it to other extreme things. It's just not reasonable.

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The idea is to add diversity not to take it away. Oh and Ariel was green in the original story.

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Gamerguymass posted...

And what is so hard to understand that everything about the Little Mermaid is based off of European culture? Its a Danish story. Atlantis was also possibly a real city, either way it is still a European myth/legend/real place. Mermaids have also all been portrayed as white in popular culture in America which is what the Little Mermaid was made for by an American company based off of a European story. There was absolutely no need to change her other then Hollywood's weird continuing war on redheads fetish.

1. The story may be from Denmark, but that doesn't means mermaids are Danish.
2. Historically, most things have been portrayed as white in American pop culture, even when they didn't have white origins. Does that mean those things shouldn't portrayed as any other color?
3. What about being an American company precludes it from having black characters?

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

There's no war on redheads.

And what you're simply doing here is taking one acceptable thing and comparing it to other extreme things. It's just not reasonable.

Redheads were the "acceptable minority" used to add diversity without really adding diversity. Yes there is no war on them

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Gamerguymass posted...

And what is so hard to understand that everything about the Little Mermaid is based off of European culture? Its a Danish story. Atlantis was also possibly a real city, either way it is still a European myth/legend/real place. Mermaids have also all been portrayed as white in popular culture in America which is what the Little Mermaid was made for by an American company based off of a European story. There was absolutely no need to change her other then Hollywood's weird continuing war on redheads fetish.

It is weird that so many ginger girls are replaced by black girls.

Oh hey Guide. Are you still mad at me for shaming you for being an unreasonable Pokemon SS hater? You've held quite the grudge against me for that.

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creativerealms posted...

Redheads were the "acceptable minority" used to add diversity without really adding diversity. Yes there is no war on them

In the 1800s, sure. Now I really doubt there's some sort of revolutionary crusade against people with original red hair.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

Oh hey Guide. Are you still mad at me for shaming you for being an unreasonable Pokemon SS hater? You've held quite the grudge against me for that.

Is this cause @Gamerguymass is your alt, or are you still upset about being wrong literal months ago?

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Gamerguymass posted...

And what is so hard to understand that everything about the Little Mermaid is based off of European culture? Its a Danish story. Atlantis was also possibly a real city, either way it is still a European myth/legend/real place. Mermaids have also all been portrayed as white in popular culture in America which is what the Little Mermaid was made for by an American company based off of a European story. There was absolutely no need to change her other then Hollywood's weird continuing war on redheads fetish.

ssjevot posted...

The first two characters are based on real cultures (Mulan is based on a potentially real person). Ariel is literally a mythical creature. It's like genie being blue or whatever, just a total non-issue. There was also a Japanese version of Little Mermaid called Ponyo, and a Chinese live action one called The Mermaid. I just don't think Ariel is a good example for this when that story has been adapted to many cultures already.

Veggeta_MAX posted...

There's no war on redheads.

And what you're simply doing here is taking one acceptable thing and comparing it to other extreme things. It's just not reasonable.

I'm not going to try to hammer a toothpick into a metal door, the points have been exhausted and the hard headed ones aren't changing their mind, so i'm not debating this further. This about sums it up though. Thanks for these two posters being at least rational.

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Gamerguymass posted...

Atlantis was also possibly a real city

you completely lost me there

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I'll say this. Triss and yen could both be black, asian, or whatever race as they come from some magical realm. I applaud the witcher for putting characters of color into the series. I know Triss has red hair in the games, but that's a detail we can get over.
Speaking from my personal perspective, if someone were to do a myth from MY country, I'd want my country to be represented. Now I'm sure they could find a black Danish person -- Ariel has no story based on her skin color -- I'd just want someone of Danish descent. In general POC are really not visible in media, so sometimes we need a little bit of a boost in that regard.

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Guide posted...

Is this cause @Gamerguymass is your alt, or are you still upset about being wrong literal months ago?

That's a very weird route you're going. I am obviously against what the guy is saying if you simply read my posts but to build this narrative that I am his alt so you could paint me some bad guy is quite hilarious, and it shows you indeed still hold the grudge.

Also, what am I wrong about? You being an illogical and unreasonable hater to Pokemon SS?

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My opinion:
Geralt could not have been better.
Ciri is absolutely fantastic.
Yennifer was also fantastic
Triss was a good fit. Hopefully she gets more screen time in season 2 (witcher book spoilers) when Geralt takes Ciri to Kaer Morhen.
Fringilla was also great, no complaints.
Calanthe was friggin awesome
Jaskier/Dandelion was the best casting in the whole show aside from Geralt himself.

So no complaints with the casting. My only real gripe is that having read the books, it would've helped non-fans if the jumping around in time with the storylines had been labeled to make it easier to follow.


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People have a problem with black protagonists in a fantasy setting because there "weren't black people in the medieval time" but at the same time will call in pandering when something has too many female characters, even though real life has more women than men.

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ROBANN_88 posted...

you completely lost me there

That's why I said possibly. There is some evidence to suggest it was a real city at some point. Maybe not with lasers and flying cars as it is sometimes portrayed in popular media, but an actual city of the ancient world. It hasn't really been proven one way or the other if it was a real place or if the story of Atlantis was based off of Crete sinking after an earthquake.

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Veggeta_MAX posted...

That's a very weird route you're going. I am obviously against what the guy is saying if you simply read my posts but to build this narrative that I am his alt so you could paint me some bad guy is quite hilarious, and it shows you indeed still hold the grudge.

Also, what am I wrong about? You being an illogical and unreasonable hater to Pokemon SS?

Actually, I just skipped your post.

We've been posting in the same topics for a while now, I haven't mentioned anything about you or pokemon, at least where the topic isn't about you being wrong, or pokemon.

How would you interpret someone bringing up something from months ago out of nowhere in a topic has that has nothing to do with it? Ask other people if you can't figure it out.

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Gamerguymass posted...

That's why I said possibly. There is some evidence to suggest it was a real city at some point. Maybe not with lasers and flying cars as it is sometimes portrayed in popular media, but an actual city of the ancient world. It hasn't really been proven one way or the other if it was a real place or if the story of Atlantis was based off of Crete sinking after an earthquake.

Yeah but that's just... completely irrelevant.

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No worries I made a separate topic for you and your kind about what I was talking about.

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And now you're making a topic at my suggestion.

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People will always complain. Always. People complained about CJ in San Andreas, and that was an original story. You can't win.

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Gamerguymass posted...

That's why I said possibly. There is some evidence to suggest it was a real city at some point. Maybe not with lasers and flying cars as it is sometimes portrayed in popular media, but an actual city of the ancient world. It hasn't really been proven one way or the other if it was a real place or if the story of Atlantis was based off of Crete sinking after an earthquake.

the story of Atlantis is originally written by Plato.
i'm no expert on Plato, but by my understanding he has a tendency to use stories like this as allegory to make some point. in this case the downfall of man through Hubris.
where Atlantis is some antagonist to an even more ancient Greece, and then falls out of favor with the Gods.

and then someone, for some silly reason, centuries later tacked on the "Ancient Tecnologically Advanced Society" thing

there may or may not be some ruins under water here and there, but to name it THE ATLANTIS is ridiculous.

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Guide posted...

Yeah but that's just... completely irrelevant.

It has to do with Atlantis is a European thing. Agrabah is completely made up as well and the Disney cartoon never me tions them being Arabs, so they why did the live action movie need to have Arab looking people? That was actually part of the casting by Disney, they stressed that the movie had to be authentic with the actors looking middle eastern. But why? If it's a made up city with an unnamed race then why couldn't they be white or black or Asian or Hispanic? I mean that's the arguemnt being made with the Little Mermaid, it's all made up so who cares? My point is why does "who cares" only apply to white characters being changed and non-white characters can't be?

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The only reason it's called Agrabah is to not infringe on any real nation, same reason Batman lives in Gotham and Superman lives in Metropolis; those are just analogues for NYC. They still acknowledge the setting and people as Arab.

Mermaids are nonhumans from a mythical place. Also, someone here said they were green originally?

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Gamerguymass posted...

Agrabah is completely made up as well and the Disney cartoon never me tions them being Arabs, so they why did the live action movie need to have Arab looking people?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIYL-PQa010
its literally the beginning of the movie bro

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The Genie, a fictional magical being derived from Arab culture, is played by a black man in the live action movie and also appears as blue. So why does a fictional magical being in the case of Little Mermaid need to be white?

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though, technically, i believe the original Aladinn story is about China, so there's already been an " Ethnicity and Culture switch" for no reason

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MabusIncarnate posted...

There is a cultural association with Jasmin and Mulan, and both characters are tied into that culture, along with the plot of the films. Ariel is a fucking mermaid from a fictional undersea world. I don't get why that's hard to understand.

Who cares just them be white but adopted. Boom.

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The conjunction of the spheres teleported random humans & monsters. Its not a big deal -not even a small deal that there are some black people in this fictional medieval world.

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Gamerguymass posted...

It has to do with Atlantis is a European thing. Agrabah is completely made up as well and the Disney cartoon never me tions them being Arabs, so they why did the live action movie need to have Arab looking people? That was actually part of the casting by Disney, they stressed that the movie had to be authentic with the actors looking middle eastern. But why? If it's a made up city with an unnamed race then why couldn't they be white or black or Asian or Hispanic? I mean that's the arguemnt being made with the Little Mermaid, it's all made up so who cares? My point is why does "who cares" only apply to white characters being changed and non-white characters can't be?

If anything, she shouldn't be white or a redhead since Atlantis is an ancient Greek thing.

Also, it's been mentioned that she was green in the original story.
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And funny thing is I've met maybe 2-3 Greek people who swears they aren't White people.

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kia is a hate subreddit and its hilarious that theyve skirted along their continued existence all this time by pretending to care about journalism every time theyre called out on something

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tainted_emerald posted...

If anything, she shouldn't be white or a redhead since Atlantis is an ancient Greek thing.

Also, it's been mentioned that she was green in the original story.

The story is danish though. Plus unless I am remembering wrong, we don't know if Atlantis was a real city if it was Greek. It's just a Greek guy first wrote about it so it is attributed as being a Greek city. I don't think Plato ever calls the people of Atlantis Greek.

Plus Ariel being black doesn't work out anyway. The story takes place during colonial European times. If a prince sees a black chick walking around we all know the last thing he is going to be saying is she's beautiful.

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also baizuos: "so what if steam supports ccp. what good would it do if i delete my steam account and lose all my games?"

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I'm saying praising the witchers character traits and then being a racist is idiotic.

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Gamerguymass posted...

People don't have a problem with black protagonists, they have a problem with major characters who are white being changed to black for no other reason then because it's trendy and for "diversity." You wouldn't change Jasmin or Mulan to a white chick, so why does Ariel need to be changed to a black chick?

Who cares? Their skin color doesnt matter at all so why is its a big deal if its changed?

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Gamerguymass posted...

If a prince sees a black chick walking around we all know the last thing he is going to be saying is she's beautiful.

ummmmmmmmmmmmm

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