Current Events > Is every Final Fantasy game the same universe but on different planets?*Spoiler*

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They establish that 12 is a prequel to Tactics and X/X-2 is a prequel to FFVII on another world.

And FFIX has a ton of references to the other games with a plot of a planet is going around eating other planets.

Then there's Kingdom Hearts and Dissida that seem to establish the same thing, not to mention aliens are a reoccuring theme across the franchise.

People talk about the Zelda Timeline a lot but no one talks about this. I find the concept of a Final Fantaverse fun

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I think its more of a multi verse thing with the exception of a few final fantasy's including Vagrant story/FF12/Tactics and FF7/FF10 series

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Gilgamesh being confirmed to be the same character in multiple appearances suggests there's a multiverse at the very least.

Very few of the games are directly related to any others, though. The majority of similarities throughout the series are just references.

yes

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YukihoHagiwara posted...

yes

No its a multiverse.

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It is a multiverse thing, but nothing really prevents it from being different planets in the same big universe.
People like Gilgamesh might believe it is different dimensions while it is not.

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spikethedevil posted...

No its a multiverse.

no

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i always thought it was a collection of unrelated stories told by a singular storyteller who interjects similar characters and events in order to make things more familiar and relatable

aka it's a company that reuses names and ideas because fans love that shit and it's awesome

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Foppe posted...

but nothing really prevents it from being different planets in the same big universe.

Yeah could be. Except the similarity of names like Cid and different iterations of the same beings like Bahamut, Shinryu, Shiva, Ifrit ect could probably point to a multiverse and them being the same beings of different universes. Since it'll be kinda strange for them all to share one universe and have so many similarities.

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I always assumed they were just singular adventures.

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I think 13 and 15 use the same world also or something

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Touch posted...

I think 13 and 15 use the same world also or something

They were supposed to be part of the Crystallis Saga when FF15 was 13 Versus

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YukihoHagiwara posted...

no

Prove its all the same universe.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

X/X-2 is a prequel to FFVII on another world.

Could someone post spoilers for that? I never played x-2 and don't remember any connections in x.
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Heineken14 posted...

Could someone post spoilers for that? I never played x-2 and don't remember any connections in x.

The pyreflies/farplane is the same thing as Mako/Lifestream. And the explanation of the fiends in FFX and the monsters in Nanaki's village in FFVII are the same

In FFX-2 Shinra discovers he can use it as a power source.

People pondered the similarity and the writers confirmed Shinra did do this, built a spaceship, flew to the FFVII world and founded the Shinra company. Pioneering the Mako based technology that set the plot in motion

His airship appears in the basement of Shinra HQ in Dirge of Cerebus

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Isnt that more just a theory the writer liked rather than being 100% canon?

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spikethedevil posted...

Isnt that more just a theory the writer liked rather than being 100% canon?

"I dont like it so it's not canon" is childish

It's canon dude

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Please point out where I said that I didnt like it.

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It was implied.

It's In both the FFVII and X-2 Ultimania. Multiple writers have confined it and it was referenced in games.

There's little more they can do to make it canon aside from a game directly about it

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Thats actually pretty cool and lol where did I even imply I hated it? Either point out where I said I did or admit that you jumped to conclusions and decided to call me childish for no reason.

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You can't have it both ways

I called that claim childish. Either you admit you implied it or deny you implied it. If the latter then I didn't call you childish

If the former then I didn't jump to conclusions

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Why did you get immediately hostile when he asked if that was actually canon lmao

I too was unaware that was actually canon and thought it was just a theory

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Why are you trying to argue at Christmas?

I'm not hostile

Merry Christmas

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Why are you trying to argue at Christmas?

you really gonna play that card huh

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Why are you trying to argue at Christmas?

I'm not hostile

Merry Christmas

As soon as I asked if it was official you decided I somehow hated it and called me childish, how is that not hostile so for the third time where did I say or even imply i hated it? Just admit you fucked up and that calling me childish was unnecessary.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

You can't have it both ways

I called that claim childish. Either you admit you implied it or deny you implied it. If the latter then I didn't call you childish

If the former then I didn't jump to conclusions

I clearly denied that I said or and denied that I even implied it lol. Stop pulling shit out your arse.

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I hope you have a happy new year :)

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The way I see it, the X2 Shinra is a nod to players that played the game that made the Final Fantasy series really popular all around the globe, an easter egg.
The map, lore, nothing connects VII to X.
One could argue that the X summoners transformed into the Cetra of VII, but that still leave too many red threads that cant be solved. Did they use their connection with the spiritual energy to create land and remove water? Why are there no legends about that in VII then?
The Temple of the Ancients in VII looks pretty lowtech compared to what we see in X, why would they go backward that much?
And if we use Final Fantasy X-2 Ultimania, then it says After quitting the Gullwings, Shinra received enormous financial support from Rin, and began trying to use Vegnagun to siphon Mako Energy from the Farplane. But, he is unable to complete the system for utilizing this energy in his generation, and in the future, when traveling to distant planets becomes possible, the Shin-Ra Company is founded on another world, or something like that....... That would happen about 1000 years after this story, I think.
How does this even fit in the Final Fantasy VII lore?
The Jenova-Cetra incident happened a little more than 2000 years before VII.
48 years before the main VII game, Shinra Manufacturing Works discovers Mako energy.
Nothing in any of the games, or any other games, supports the idea that 1000 years after X2, Shinras relatives creates a spaceship, travels to the VII planet 50 or so years before the game, discovers that it got the same kind of spiritual energy, starts building Midgar and later tries to reinvent rocket technology.

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ITT: TC is a massive douche for some reason.

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Foppe posted...

The way I see it, the X2 Shinra is a nod to players that played the game that made the Final Fantasy series really popular all around the globe, an easter egg.
The map, lore, nothing connects VII to X.

Except the entire Mako/Lifestream Pyreflies/Farplane thing.

Which is like the most important thing in the lore of both games.

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spikethedevil posted...

Isnt that more just a theory the writer liked rather than being 100% canon?

It's more like an inside joke that got mistaken for canon.

https://www.finaland.com/?rub=site&page=news&id=6355

KeeperOfShadows posted...

It's more like an inside joke that got mistaken for canon.

https://www.finaland.com/?rub=site&page=news&id=6355

It's definitely this.

FFX re-used the name Shinra, stylized in-game as Shin-Ra (if that's at all relevant) and people leapt through several hoops to connect the two.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

Except the entire Mako/Lifestream Pyreflies/Farplane thing.

Which is like the most important thing in the lore of both games.

Both Terminator and Blade Runner got humanoid robots that looks like normal persons as an important part of the lore, and yet they are not connected.
The Final Fantasy series shares so many things, items, animals, names, magic, summons, etc, why would it be impossible for some of them to share the same kind of magical system?
V and VI allows you to learn magic from crystals, are they connected?

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"They share NOTHING In the lore"
"They share the most important thing in the lore"
"Oh so Terminator and Blade Runner are the same now huh!?"

What is this....

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

"They share NOTHING In the lore"
"They share the most important thing in the lore"
"Oh so Terminator and Blade Runner are the same now huh!?"

What is this....

And you left out the rest, proving my point.

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Still waiting for TC to point out where I said I hated it or to apologise for being hostile for no reason.

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spikethedevil posted...

Still waiting for TC to point out where I said I hated it or to apologise for being hostile for no reason.

I never said you hated anything and I'm not spending Christmas arguing about Final Fantasy.

Let alone arguing that the games and writers are wrong about their own canon

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

People talk about the Zelda Timeline a lot but no one talks about this.

Ok here's my idea for a final fantasy timeline.

1. Final Fantasy 1
2. ...... Fuck

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spikethedevil posted...

Still waiting for TC to point out where I said I hated it or to apologise for being hostile for no reason.

You didn't. He won't.

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I never said you hated anything and I'm not spending Christmas arguing about Final Fantasy.

Let alone arguing that the games and writers are wrong about their own canon

...but you made this topic

on Christmas

which clearly means you had some intent to do both of those things

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Mr Hangman posted...

FF12 and FFT: Yes these are both Ivalice... but what actually links them together? They have the same name for their world, but they share no locations, no characters, no known history, absolutely nothing beyond a name. Their link is as tenuous as any other two FFs.

I haven't played tactics but when 12 came out everyone was explaining how the kingdoms/locations are the same as Tactics just with different names

haven't like thousands of years meant to have passed?

Need an expert to let us know

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

"I dont like it so it's not canon" is childish

It's canon dude

Nope not hostile at all >_>

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I haven't played tactics but when 12 came out everyone was explaining how the kingdoms/locations are the same as Tactics just with different names

haven't like thousands of years meant to have passed?

Need an expert to let us know

IIRC 12, Tactics and Vagrant Story are all in the same universe while the Tactics Advance games are in a dream version of Ivalice.

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spikethedevil posted...

IIRC 12, Tactics and Vagrant Story are all in the same universe while the Tactics Advance games are in a dream version of Ivalice.

So kind of like Majora's mask?

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Sort of yea. 12/Revenant Wings/Tactics/Vagrant are all in the same Ivalice with sometimes centuries between them while Tactics Advance/2 Are in a dream world sort of similar to MM.

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Some of them could be, and magic and Summons could be shared between some games. Why not. Some might even be the same planet at different eras. Not every game though, that's stretching it too much.

Guns_of_Verdun posted...

X/X-2 is a prequel to FFVII on another world.

Wut

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Guns_of_Verdun posted...

I'm not spending Christmas arguing about Final Fantasy.

this entire post says otherwise.

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BignutzisBack posted...

Wut

https://youtu.be/Sj971n6MgeY

They later confined that Shinra used Vegnagun's corpse to use the Farplane as a power source

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