Current Events > Remember that time Trump spent a decade saying Obama was born in Africa?

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And therefore can't be president?

And then called his Birth Certificate fake and called for him to be thrown out of office? Like every week, for years on end?

I feel like not enough people remember this when Trump gets mad that "Evil Do Nothing Deocrats are trying to overturn Democracy and compromise my presidency and get me kicked out" by pointing out all the crimes Trump keeps doing.

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If you think the Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal/null, then Hawaii's annexation by the U.S. would also be considered illegal and null (a fact noted by then President Cleveland, who basically called the Committee of Safety a farce; as an unrecognized entity that's purported to be in charge of the government in Hawaii would not be allowed to sign a treaty as per international law).

And if that's correct, then Obama was certainly not born in the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAiB2ZoRhM

Every Republican today: "YOU STARTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO. This isn't about the constitution! you just hate him!"

Every Republican when Mitch said, on the day Obama was sworn in, that the GOP's main goal was to make him a one term President: *crickets*

One actually did wrong, there is proof he did wrong, there is proof he lied about doing wrong, and that all started in bits during his campaign, like when he looked directly in the camera on Live TV and told Russia to hack the US and "find the missing Emails"....the other did nothing wrong at the time except get elected.....but NOW they want to bitch and moan about partisan politics. Fuck them.

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TheGleamEyes posted...

If you think the Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal/null, then Hawaii's annexation by the U.S. would also be considered illegal and null (a fact noted by then President Cleveland, who basically called the Committee of Safety a farce; as an unrecognized entity that's purported to be in charge of the government in Hawaii would not be allowed to sign a treaty as per international law).

And if that's correct, then Obama was certainly not born in the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAiB2ZoRhM

I have seen rubber bands with less stretch than this.
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TheVipaGTS posted...

Every Republican today: "YOU STARTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO. This isn't about the constitution! you just hate him!"

Every Republican when Mitch said, on the day Obama was sworn in, that the GOP's main goal was to make him a one term President: *crickets*

One actually did wrong, there is proof he did wrong, there is proof he lied about doing wrong, and that all started in bits during his campaign, like when he looked directly in the camera on Live TV and told Russia to hack the US and "find the missing Emails"....the other did nothing wrong at the time except get elected.....but NOW they want to bitch and moan about partisan politics. Fuck them.

It was actually John Boehner that made that statement about him being a one term president I believe.

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TheGleamEyes posted...

And if that's correct, then Obama was certainly not born in the U.S.

Hawaii was admitted to the Union in 1959. Obama was born in 1961. everything else you said is irrelevant. he is a US born citizen. he produced proof of it even though he didn't need to and Trump still cried about it and called it fake. "WE WANT THE LONG FORM".

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ScazarMeltex posted...

It was actually John Boehner that made that statement about him being a one term president I believe.

He may have too but i definitely recall Mitch making a similar statement, or at least agreeing with the sentiments in a statement.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Every Republican today: "YOU STARTED THIS TWO YEARS AGO. This isn't about the constitution! you just hate him!"

Every Republican when Mitch said, on the day Obama was sworn in, that the GOP's main goal was to make him a one term President: *crickets*

One actually did wrong, there is proof he did wrong, there is proof he lied about doing wrong, and that all started in bits during his campaign, like when he looked directly in the camera on Live TV and told Russia to hack the US and "find the missing Emails"....the other did nothing wrong at the time except get elected.....but NOW they want to bitch and moan about partisan politics. Fuck them.

I think it says it all that no one can actually defend Trump's crimes.

They can just yell at Democrats.
Yell at the system.
Insult people.
Go on rants etc.

When people said Bullshit like Obama was born in Africa, he response was "No he wasn't." not "Well George Bush sucks and the investigation into the Birth Cetificate was illegal and it's okay to not .." etc etc

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TheVipaGTS posted...

Hawaii was admitted to the Union in 1959. Obama was born in 1961. everything else you said is irrelevant. he is a US born citizen. he produced proof of it even though he didn't need to and Trump still cried about it and called it fake. "WE WANT THE LONG FORM".

Not sure what excuse you have for such terrible English comprehension when I wrote in plain English.

Literally wrote that Hawaii's annexation was illegal.

13 men of American, British and German descent became so concerned about their future business and political prospects that they met at a Honolulu law office and arranged to depose her.
Having gotten word of the plot, Liliuokalanis marshal asked the cabinet to authorize a warrant for the arrest of the 13 men, only to be turned down. The queen and her cabinet ministers then released a statement assuring that any changes desired in the fundamental law of the land will be sought only by methods provided in the Constitution itself. Far from placated, the conspirators gathered on January 16 with about 1,000 supporters, including many members of a recently disbanded all-white militia known as the Honolulu Rifles. In on the conspiracy was John L. Stevens, the U.S. minister to Hawaii, who ordered a nearby naval ship to land troops in Honolulu, ostensibly to secure the safety of American life and property. Around 5 p.m., Liliuokalani watched as over 120 marines and sailors marched past her palace with a rapid-fire Gatling gun and set up camp a few hundred yards away. Another 40 men stood guard outside of Stevens residence.
In the ensuing commotion, some of the leading conspirators ran up to the government building, located across the street from the palace, and proclaimed themselves in charge pending annexation by the United States. Stevens immediately recognized the new provisional government, with judge Sanford B. Dolewhose first cousin once removed would later make his surname famous for pineapplesat its head. Despite having hundreds of men at her disposal, Liliuokalani decided to acquiesce in order to avoid bloodshed. [I] yield my authority until such time as the government of the United States shall, upon the facts being presented to it, undo the action of its representatives and reinstate me, she wrote.
In the aftermath of the coup, U.S. troops piled sandbags around the government building in order to fortify it against a potential counterattack. Some also looted the palace, stripping decorations from the walls and stealing a valuable crown. For his part, Stevens wrote to the secretary of state in favor of annexation, saying: The Hawaiian pear is now fully ripe and this is the golden hour for the United States to pluck it. But after U.S. President Grover Cleveland took office that March, he withdrew an annexation treaty, dismissed Stevens from his post and appointed a special commissioner to look into the matter. When the commissioner determined that Liliuokalani had been illegally overthrown and that most Hawaiians opposed the coup, Clevelands administration urged that the monarchy be restored. The provisional government instead dug in its heels, establishing a Republic of Hawaii in July 1894.
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In 1993 President Bill Clinton signed a bill apologizing to native Hawaiians for the overthrow of their kingdom.

Real galaxy brain shit going on itt
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This is a new one
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Also by Congress
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/STATUTE-107/pdf/STATUTE-107-Pg1510.pdf

We can look back on our treatment of Hawaii and whether or not them becoming a state should have ever happened.

But that really has nothing to do with the fact that it did become a state and that Obama was born in America as a result.

This is quite possibly the worst 'ackshually...' I've ever seen in my life.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

But that really has nothing to do with the fact that it did become a state

An illegally occupied country can't consent to annexation.

Otherwise Israel and Russia would be within their right to claim the lands that they occupy.

TheGleamEyes posted...

An illegally occupied country can't consent to annexation.

Otherwise Israel and Russia would be within their right to claim the lands that they occupy.

Sure.

But is Hawaii considered a state and was Obama born after it was?

I guess all of the votes Hawaiian citizens have ever cast should be rolled back too.

TC is just pretending to have an IQ of 7, right?

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TheGleamEyes posted...

If you think the Russian annexation of Crimea was illegal/null, then Hawaii's annexation by the U.S. would also be considered illegal and null (a fact noted by then President Cleveland, who basically called the Committee of Safety a farce; as an unrecognized entity that's purported to be in charge of the government in Hawaii would not be allowed to sign a treaty as per international law).

And if that's correct, then Obama was certainly not born in the U.S.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfAiB2ZoRhM

One little problem in regards to the subject matter: Hawaii isn't Africa

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This moronic deflection to the legitimacy of Hawaii as a state is doubly hilarious considering Obama was born to a United States citizen and would still have birthright citizenship even if his mother had popped him out in a completely foreign country. Just the level of inane shitposting you should come to expect from the galaxy brains on this board.

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TheVipaGTS posted...

TC is just pretending to have an IQ of 7, right?

wat?

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Frolex posted...

This moronic deflection to the legitimacy of Hawaii as a state is doubly hilarious considering Obama was born to a United States citizen and would still have birthright citizenship even if his mother had popped him out in a completely foreign country. Just the level of inane shitposting you should come to expect from the galaxy brains on this board.

inb4 "ackshully his parents were born in Africa and weren't American citizens"

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MrMallard posted...

One little problem in regards to the subject matter: Hawaii isn't Africa

The main point was that Obama wasn't born in the U.S., and thus not eligible to run for President.

Dragonblade01 posted...

But is Hawaii considered a state and was Obama born after it was?

As per international law, a government of an occupied country cannot legally consent to annexation by it's occupier.
So no, it's not and never was considered a U.S. State under international law (at that time) and (later) the UN. But if you're the type who believes that the U.S. has no obligation to follow international rules/laws, then sure, Hawaii is considered a U.S. State.
But then it would be hypocritical to think that Russia or Israel can't do the same in ignoring international laws.

TheGleamEyes posted...

As per international law, a government of an occupied country cannot legally consent to annexation by it's occupier.
So no, it's not and never was considered a U.S. State under international law (at that time) and (later) the UN. But if you're the type who believes that the U.S. has no obligation to follow international rules/laws, then sure, Hawaii is considered a U.S. State.
But then it would be hypocritical to think that Russia or Israel can't do the same in ignoring international laws.

It has nothing to do with what I think. Hawaii is accepted as one of America's states. We can argue whether it should be or not, just like we can argue whether Israel should be considered a country, but that won't change how they're generally viewed now.

MrMallard posted...

inb4 "ackshully his parents were born in Africa and weren't American citizens"

Wisconsin is an illegitimate state too you see

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TheGleamEyes posted...

Literally wrote that Hawaii's annexation was illegal.

Just cause something was illegal doesn't mean it didn't happen anyway unless you're planning on giving all of Georgia back to the Cherokee.

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America is an illegitimate country. The entire modern world is illegitimate . I guess we really are an open borders globalist society.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

Just cause something was illegal doesn't mean it didn't happen anyway unless you're planning on giving all of Georgia back to the Cherokee.

The Treaty of New Echota was negotiated by Cherokee Indians belonging to its political system, and it was their General Council that appointed a committee to negotiate the treaty in 1834.

Meanwhile the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom was done by American and German businessmen, and it's illegitimate provisional government was headed by a white descendant of missionaries who worked to undermine Hawaiian sovereignty and autonomy (Sanford Dole).

Tagging this user as "Alex Jones"

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@Maze_

wat?

sorry, i meant that Gleam guy....my mistake i miscalculated topics.

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He ENDED the Birther controversy!!!!

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TheGleamEyes posted...

The Treaty of New Echota was negotiated by Cherokee Indians belonging to its political system, and it was their General Council that appointed a committee to negotiate the treaty in 1834.

Meanwhile the overthrow of the Hawaiian Kingdom was done by American and German businessmen, and it's illegitimate provisional government was headed by a white descendant of missionaries who worked to undermine Hawaiian sovereignty and autonomy (Sanford Dole).

The supreme Court of the USA told Andrew Jackson in no uncertain terms that he had to leave the Cherokee alone and allow them to remain on their land.

Jackson went on to publicly announce that he would be breaking the law to do it anyway after the highest court in the entire United States ruled that displacement of the Cherokee people was 100% unconstitutional.

There was not a global clusterfuck war ongoing.
There were no international politics, only internal domestic politics.
There was no military strategy involved.
There was no ambiguity that not only was it illegal but that it was unconstitutional.

And he did it anyway.

And we still haven't given them anything back.


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This is absolutely incredible.

I knew Trumpanzees were gonna flip the fuck out but this is beyond.

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Tyranthraxus posted...

The supreme Court of the USA told Andrew Jackson in no uncertain terms that he had to leave the Cherokee alone and allow them to remain on their land.

Jackson went on to publicly announce that he would be breaking the law to do it anyway after the highest court in the entire United States ruled that displacement of the Cherokee people was 100% unconstitutional.

There was not a global clusterf*** war ongoing.
There were no international politics, only internal domestic politics.
There was no military strategy involved.
There was no ambiguity that not only was it illegal but that it was unconstitutional.

And he did it anyway.

And we still haven't given them anything back.

Worcester v. Georgia ruled that the State of Georgia is unable to legislate in Cherokee nation-related affairs because the latter is considered a sovereign nation, and thus only the Federal government can negotiate with them.
Nothing in it made it illegal for tribe members of the Cherokee Nation to negotiate treaties with Congress, which is the process taken with the treaty that removed the Cherokee from Georgia.
Wikipedia's entry:
Those rights, he stated, include the sole right to deal with the Indian nations in North America, to the exclusion of any other European power. This did not include the rights of possession to their land or political dominion over their laws. He (Chief Justice John Marshall) acknowledged that the exercise of conquest and purchase can give political dominion, but those are in the hands of the federal government

or https://www.britannica.com/topic/Worcester-v-Georgia entry on Marshall's comment:
The Cherokee Nation, then, is a distinct community occupying its own territoryin which the laws of Georgia can have no force, and which the citizens of Georgia have no right to enter but with the assent of the Cherokees themselves, or in conformity with treaties and with the acts of Congress. The whole intercourse between the United States and this Nation, is, by our Constitution and laws, vested in the Government of the United States.
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(PBS's expanded entry: https://www.pbs.org/weta/thewest/resources/archives/two/worcestr.htm)
They interfere forcibly with the relations established between the United States and the Cherokee Nation, the regulation of which according to the settled principles of our Constitution, are committed exclusively to the government of the Union.
They are in direct hostility with treaties, repeated in a succession of years, which mark out the boundary that separates the Cherokee country from Georgia; guarantee to them all the land within their boundary; solemnly pledge the faith of the United States to restrain their citizens from trespassing on it; and recognize the pre-existing power of the nation to govern itself.

Da fuck is even going on

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Frolex posted...

This moronic deflection to the legitimacy of Hawaii as a state is doubly hilarious considering Obama was born to a United States citizen and would still have birthright citizenship even if his mother had popped him out in a completely foreign country. Just the level of inane shitposting you should come to expect from the galaxy brains on this board.

That's surprising something lost on everyone who peddled the Birther bullshit.

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lowest common denominator birther crap

truly pathetic timeline

This is some next level shit.

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Solar_Crimson posted...

That's surprising something lost on everyone who peddled the Birther bullshit.

Most of those people go on to argue that a natural born citizen has to also meet the requirement of being born on US soil.

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Serious Cat posted...

Most of those people go on to argue that a natural born citizen has to also meet the requirement of being born on US soil.

uhuh

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