Current Events > Final Fantasy VII Remake is shaping up to be the GOAT game.

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Dingydang166 posted...

So even if FF7R is undeniably the greatest game ever made, universally acclaimed by every single person that played it, brought peace to the entire world due to how good it was, and solved world hunger. It would still be considered a worse game than the original FF7 because it decided to expand upon an interesting part in FF7 that was rushed through because it was made in 1997?

that's a whole lotta unlikely hypotheticals to take seriously considering SE has dropped two stinkers back to back with ff15 and kh3

Im saving up money now so by the time my kids graduate high school Ill have enough to buy the Final Fantasy VII Re: Remake Reborn - The Complete Story So Far - Remastered - Version Holy and Version Meteor Duodecim Double Collectors Package

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Reis posted...

that's a whole lotta unlikely hypotheticals to take seriously considering SE has dropped two stinkers back to back with ff15 and kh3

Rofl another anti FF7R person that can't give a straight answer, what a fucking surprise.

The game isn't even out yet, literally EVERYTHING is hypothetical, including your opinion of the game being bad. Which is apparently on the basis of FF15 and Kh3 being bad, even though both of these games received favorable reviews.

Just another anti-FF7Rer jumpin on the bandwagon I see yeehaw

Dingydang166 posted...

Rofl another anti FF7R person that can't give a straight answer, what a fucking surprise.

The game isn't even out yet, literally EVERYTHING is hypothetical, including your opinion of the game being bad. Which is apparently on the basis of FF15 and Kh3 being bad, even though both of these games received favorable reviews.

Just another anti-FF7Rer jumpin on the bandwagon I see yeehaw

Youre looking at this all wrong.

Sure, hypothetically it could be literal extasy and men wont be able to play the FF7 remake for longer than four hour intervals unless their dicks explode from sheer hype-driven euphoria

But the game exists within the context of Square as a company, and its history of both general game design and how it treats the FF7 IP.

Expanding on midgar isnt inherently bad, as that was easily the best set piece in the original, but, in context of modern SE, in context of how theyve angst-wanked the FF7 property into a parody of what was already a quite silly game, and in the context of the title being episodic, and in the context of them stating that they dont have a plan for how many parts the story will ultimately be divided into, and in the context of a five minute tutorial boss being expanded into a boring, half-hour long chip damage spam epic set piece, things do not look bright. They look like poopy.

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AlisLandale posted...

Youre looking at this all wrong.

Sure, hypothetically it could be literal extasy and men wont be able to play the FF7 remake for longer than four hour intervals unless their dicks explode from sheer hype-driven euphoria

But the game exists within the context of Square as a company, and its history of both general game design and how it treats the FF7 IP.

Expanding on midgar isnt inherently bad, as that was easily the best set piece in the original, but, in context of modern SE, in context of how theyve angst-wanked the FF7 property into a parody of what was already a quite silly game, and in the context of the title being episodic, and in the context of them stating that they dont have a plan for how many parts the story will ultimately be divided into, and in the context of a five minute tutorial boss being expanded into a boring, half-hour long chip damage spam epic set piece, things do not look bright. They look like poopy.

I am not to sure what you mean about "angst-wanking the FF7 property". Are you referring to the spin offs? Again, all the spin-offs, with perhaps the exception of Dirge of Cerberus, have all been well received.

As far as it being episodic, nobody has ever given me a real answer regarding this. It always just boils down to "WELL THE ORIGINAL FF7 DIDN'T DO THAT". So? If it a full experience who the fuck cares if it is episodic? Games do this all the time. I can blow through all three Witchers in like 40 hours, should I be bitching that these weren't all one game? "BUT IT CAN'T BE A FULL EXPERIENCE BECAUSE IT ISN'T THE FULL GAME THAT WAS RELEASED IN 1997". Yeah lets totally just copy a game that was held back by technology 22 years ago instead of expanding upon it. I don't understand why people just seem to want the exact same game with a new coat of paint. They have a chance to expand upon parts that were absolutely BLOWN by, why not let them?

Your third point I understand. It is still an opinion thing as chipping away in real time is sort of an action game sort of deal, but I understand this complaint in this context considering the original was a turn based game.

There literally isnt one good thing about the expanded FF7 content, except that Dirge of Cerberus exists, and only because it means best girl best character best life Yuffie was in another game.

Episodic is bad because Square has not shown they can be trusted with an episodic game. Partly because most of their other recent games have been duds, partly because their release schedule for those games have been a tragedy, but mostly because, again, they DONT KNOW how many parts its going to be. There is zero reason to have faith in an episodic franchise that doesnt have some roadmap.

its one thing for the number of episodes to be expanded after the fact because they underestimated deadlines or development. Its one thing to condense and shorten the amount of episodes for budget reasons. Its an entirely other galaxy of incompetence to say yeah we have no fucking clue

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Dingydang166 posted...

Hey can't give a straight answer, what a surprise.

So why do you just automatically assume it is filler? Just because it is not in the original source material?

Historically filler is usually referred to meaningless stuff usually written by a third party. However in this case the original staff of Final Fantasy 7 is working on this game. A game that released in 1997 that had huge limitations on it because of when it was made.

What would it take to convince someone like you that "Hey, maybe they meant for the game to be bigger and more expanded upon in the first place but it was fucking 1997"?

Honestly he has a point. I'm hoping they can legitimately expand Midgar to be a full-fledged game without seeming like a bunch of filler, myself. But we won't know exactly what the story and content holds until close to release.

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Holy fuck the blind fanboys itt

AlisLandale posted...

There literally isnt one good thing about the expanded FF7 content, except that Dirge of Cerberus exists, and only because it means best girl best character best life Yuffie was in another game.

Episodic is bad because Square has not shown they can be trusted with an episodic game. Partly because most of their other recent games have been duds, partly because their release schedule for those games have been a tragedy, but mostly because, again, they DONT KNOW how many parts its going to be. There is zero reason to have faith in an episodic franchise that doesnt have some roadmap.

its one thing for the number of episodes to be expanded after the fact because they underestimated deadlines or development. Its one thing to condense and shorten the amount of episodes for budget reasons. Its an entirely other galaxy of incompetence to say yeah we have no fucking clue

Crisis core was EXTREMELY well received (And honestly one of my personal favorites FFs), and Before Crisis was also so popular in japan that it spawned an entirely new series. That series was also very well received.

What other episodic games are you even talking about? Square does this very rarely. Kingdom Hearts? Life is Strange? Both of which are massively popular series.

Oh, so because Yoshi gave an extremely safe answer to an interview 6 months ago regarding an already controversial subject that means he is incompetent. In no world was he ever going to give a straight definite answer on this a year before the 1st episode even came out, sorry. No sane company or person in the world would ever do this.

DarthAragorn posted...

Holy fuck the blind fanboys itt

I hope you don't mean that anybody who's legit looking forward to the game are blind fanboys.

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$60 for like 1/10th of a ps1 game lol

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BakonBitz posted...

I hope you don't mean that anybody who's legit looking forward to the game are blind fanboys.

Get with the times. Nobody looks forward to things anymore. Negativity is where it's at.

I keep getting excited about it and then I remember it's not even the full game

Would rather they release the full thing on PS5 in like two years

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BakonBitz posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

Holy fuck the blind fanboys itt

I hope you don't mean that anybody who's legit looking forward to the game are blind fanboys.

No

But being unwilling to accept that making 1/5 (and I'm being very generous there) of the original game into a $60 release while refusing to say how many parts the rest of the game will be and having shown to be completely unreliable at releasing games in a timely manner is a legitimate cause for concern, seems like pretty blind fanboyism

DarthAragorn posted...

No

But being unwilling to accept that making 1/5 (and I'm being very generous there) of the original game into a $60 release while refusing to say how many parts the rest of the game will be and having shown to be completely unreliable at releasing games in a timely manner is a legitimate cause for concern, seems like pretty blind fanboyism

Has it been said if the rest of the chapters will also be $60 or is it gonna be $60 and everything else will just be free DLC

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Tired-Insomniac posted...

DarthAragorn posted...

No

But being unwilling to accept that making 1/5 (and I'm being very generous there) of the original game into a $60 release while refusing to say how many parts the rest of the game will be and having shown to be completely unreliable at releasing games in a timely manner is a legitimate cause for concern, seems like pretty blind fanboyism

Has it been said if the rest of the chapters will also be $60 or is it gonna be $60 and everything else will just be free DLC

It hasn't been said, no, but there's approximately a zero percent chance they'll be free DLC considering part 1 is going to be the equivalent of a PS1 game by the time they're able to actually finish this shit

Tired-Insomniac posted...

Has it been said if the rest of the chapters will also be $60 or is it gonna be $60 and everything else will just be free DLC

I'm one who's really looking forward to it but I sincerely doubt this will happen.

I understand the concerns about it being episodic and not even having a plan laid out, though.

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As someone said before somewhere else, you can wake up, have bowl of cereal, and finish the Midgar section of FF7 around noon.

That does not bode well for a game that is supposed to turn the Midgar section into its own as the entire length of FF7. The fact that they're trying to shove some of the Nibelheim flashback stuff in there (which was only covered after you left Midgar in the original) tells me that they're also taking incredibly risky liberties with the story and the grindy looking gameplay is looking less like a refined combat system and more like FF15's "hold a single button to win most encounters" system.

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