Current Events > Is Trump SERIOUSLY going to win again?

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crowkillers posted...

Tulsi is the only one that I think could win because she would be able to pull voters from the Republican side.

LMAO

Moderates like me won't touch Tulsi with a 10 foot pole. Progressives dislike her even more, and far left socialist types (e.g. Berniebros and AOC diehard fans) are even more adverse.

Tulsi is one of the only ones who I'd literally be pissed off to vote for and genuinely upset. She's barely above Bloomberg for me

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iPhone_7 posted...

The safest bet to beat Trump is a moderate Democrat

This is wrong. People don't want the same old squishy middle. They want strength. They want real populism.

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Spooking posted...

I put money in the stock market and have been making a fortune.

lmfao

Spooking posted...

I put money in the stock market and have been making a fortune

Suuuuuure

I hope not.

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ledbowman posted...

This is wrong. People don't want the same old squishy middle. They want strength. They want real populism.

You need more than just the democratic base to win.

You need some moderate or old-school democrat votes in states like MI, WI or the like (you know, the states that Hillary lost).

Those kind of people would never vote for a socialist

Who is seriously going to beat him in the live debates? Joe Biden with a pushup challenge? Hillary who got stomoed the first time? Sanders pushing socialism?

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YokoGeri posted...

You need more than just the democratic base to win.

You need some moderate or old-school democrat votes in states like MI, WI or the like (you know, the states that Hillary lost).

Those kind of people would never vote for a socialist

Yes they would. They need healthcare

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UIti posted...

Who is seriously going to beat him in the live debates? Joe Biden with a pushup challenge? Hillary who got stomoed the first time? Sanders pushing socialism?

Hillary beat Trump in the debates, lol. You've drunk too much of Trumps Koolaid

ledbowman posted...

Yes they would. They need healthcare

They do. But they're champions at voting against their interests.

I still have the image of a bunch of poor farmers going like "no death tax!!! Mitch (McConnel) is right!" with signs and everything. By the way by "death tax" they meant estate tax, which only applies to millionaires when inheriting money over a certain obscene amount, in other words, something that doesn't make a difference for these farmers.

He lost the popular vote in 2016 and it seems like a lot of people who voted for him then have soured on him.

It's certainly possible he wins reelection but at this point it can definitely go either way.

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Trump should be really easy to beat but its basically like 2016 all over again where the democrats are like, "So hey since this will be an easy win lets try to find the worst candidate possible!"

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iPhone_7 posted...

The safest bet to beat Trump is a moderate Democrat as the Presidential nominee.

ledbowman posted...

This is wrong. People don't want the same old squishy middle. They want strength. They want real populism.

They arent mutually exclusive, Obama was both.


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Ethosian posted...

Hillary beat Trump in the debates, lol. You've drunk too much of Trumps Koolaid

https://i.imgur.com/ANJB5LZ.jpg

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Ethosian posted...

Hillary beat Trump in the debates, lol. You've drunk too much of Trumps Koolaid

Uh what

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YokoGeri posted...

You need more than just the democratic base to win.

You need some moderate or old-school democrat votes in states like MI, WI or the like (you know, the states that Hillary lost).

Hillary lost those states in part because of her moderate views on trade and the war in Iraq, views Biden shares.
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iPhone_7 posted...

They arent mutually exclusive, Obama was both.

Obama was a fake populist

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No he only barely won last time (losing the popular vote) against a candidate that even Democrats weren't that thrilled about.

And his term has only made him look like even more of an incompetent idiot than we previously thought.

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darkprince45 posted...

Uh what

Hillary beat Trump in the debates by almost every metric

Ethosian posted...

Hillary beat Trump in the debates by almost every metric

Except the one that really mattered in the end

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Antifar posted...

Hillary lost those states in part because of her moderate views on trade and the war in Iraq, views Biden shares.

so she was too moderate so they turned around and voted trump? No, just no.

It'll really depend on how many people participate. I also don't see 3rd party and write ins getting as many votes this time like they did in 2016.

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YokoGeri posted...

so she was too moderate so they turned around and voted trump? No, just no.

No, they just didn't vote for her. Hillary had been built as a boogeyman since Bill's second term, and she was always a weak general election candidate. There's a reason why she, back before Iowa, would poll losing to almost Republican candidate except Trump and Cruz, and we saw what happened at the end. She was a weak candidate that pushed voters to not vote or vote third party or write in. That's unique to her, not the Democrats as a whole.

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YokoGeri posted...

so she was too moderate so they turned around and voted trump? No, just no.

It's that Trump promised populism. He never meant it of course, but he ran on it. Hillary ran on same ol same ol

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HellRatUFO posted...

Hillary Clinton was a neocon imperialist with left-wing views on wedge social issues. She wasnt a blue dog center-left Democrat like Jim Webb. And even then, yes, shes still preferable to the bat shit crazy that is Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren promising all these program expansions and new programs we cant afford alongside Donald Trumps views on trade lol.

I dont think you understand what blue dog means

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I'm indifferent.

On one hand I hope he wins and continues doing what he's doing. Dems have been pissing themselves for years now because of him, and the entire side has been exposed as just being massive hypocrites that weaponize things we should be trying to fix.

On the other hand, I am very tired of reading crappy anti-Trump headline news, and seeing people blindly following in on the outrage without even doing two seconds of research. Thankfully, not all of us are silly enough to fall for it and continue the pathetic "orange man bad" crusade, but Lefties are truly already lost to their self-righteous, better than thou cause and just cannot refuse when they're 100% wrong.

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Garreyn posted...

I hope he wins and continues doing what he's doing.

Who hurt you?

crowkillers posted...

Tulsi is the only one that I think could win because she would be able to pull voters from the Republican side.

Yang is just as effective in pulling voters from Trump.