Current Events > So do libertarians want a perpetual miserable working class?

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https://www.reddit.com/r/insanepeoplefacebook/comments/e8ad72/poor_people_deserve_to_die/

As one of the posts said, in some make believe society where free market is the end all be all...someone has to clean toilets, cook, do manual labor.

Are libertarians just cruel people who want some underclass that just exists to work and die? Or are they just ignorant and dont think of these things?

Libertarians are just right wing Trump worshipers who adore the rich.

Their hero Rand Paul would literally rub his back on command

>r/insanepeoplefacebook

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cmiller4642 posted...

Libertarians are just right wing Trump worshipers who adore the rich.

Their hero Rand Paul would literally rub his back on command

dont forget their previous hero, daddy Ron Paul

AvantgardeAClue posted...

>r/insanepeoplefacebook

from a libertarian fb group with multiple liked

having spent some time in and around movement libertarianism, there is a surprising diversity of thought, but "republicans who like weed" is a pretty accurate description of too many of them

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on the surface libertarians believe in a weird utopian system where in the end everyone is part of some kind of perfect system and once the complete free market is achieved it works to everyones benefit, and society adjusts so that even those people doing lesser jobs are able to move up and pure whatever they need to do to increase societal prominence and achieve happiness

if you push even slightly further you realize that this is all a way of saying "dont interfere with my money" and living at the expense of everyone else, who either fail or succeed based on the roll of the dice as the already successful are protected to the highest degree possible

its selfishness: the ideology

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Most libertarians I know are actually just slightly less homophobic Republicans that like to use drugs.
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I think a part of it is they believe in giving people the space to move up. So they might be in a bad spot temporarily, but they don't think their policies would cause someone to be in a perpetual bad spot.

I think they just really hold the idea of voluntary choices in really high regards.
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I don't think Libertarianism is real. It's a way of justifying the fact that you're a Republican Party bootlicker

As I've heard it covered, there's 2 things they consider:

1) does the person mopping the floor deserve the same pay as someone doing a more difficult job with less room for mistakes (ie a heart surgeon)?

2) Given the aforementioned heart surgeon can charge so much it means we have a shortage of them relative to need, and as such are we doing society any favors by propping up peoples' ability to stay janitors?

In short, it would be a world where more people chase higher paying jobs thus lowering what can be charged, while without the surplus labor for low skilled jobs, they can charge more because fewer people are there to mop the floor.

Part of me knows many are just assholes, but at the same time I can't argue the logic. Free markets are about being able to chase the best options based on what people are willing to pay for, yet we have a lot of people that would prefer to stay in comfortable positions and demand those pay what they wish it to.

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What are you called if your beliefs are fiscal conservatism, small government, but also believe in personal rights that Republicans oppose such as treating drug addiction as a health issue and not a criminal one, being pro choice (but not pushing abortions onto people), and recognizing that our healthcare system is fucked up and needs reform. And also that sometimes the government needs the power to enforce environmental laws and busting corporations who are getting too powerful.

Inb4Idiot, but really there's no political party that I know of that encompasses those beliefs.

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"Someone has to do it", they say, smug and hoping it is never them

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cmiller4642 posted...

I don't think Libertarianism is real. It's a way of justifying the fact that you're a Republican Party bootlicker

There are absolutely libertarians that will argue ideology with you, but yes, I have noticed that s lot of conservatives like to say Im a libertarian or Im a classical liberal lately for whatever reason. I guess to try to make their argument more confounding

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My favorite was when someone in my college said the government should do nothing but police and roads. I reminded him we attended a public university.

CruelBuffalo posted...

My favorite was when someone in my college said the government should do nothing but police and roads. I reminded him we attended a public university.

The sweethearts at *insert big corporation here* would be great at running the fire department

So, uh, who cleans the toilets in a socialist utopia?

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, uh, who cleans the toilets in a socialist utopia?

a person who has a liveable wage. I mean we can argue about the logistics if thats possible but pretty sure in a socialist utopia everyone has a liveable wage

CruelBuffalo posted...

a person who has a liveable wage. I mean we can argue about the logistics if thats possible but pretty sure in a socialist utopia everyone has a liveable wage

Even Marx backed off of that ideal.
"To each according to his contribution"

There is nothing about libertarianism that promotes the idea that people should not be paid well for the work they do.

Libertarianism is about promoting individuals to make society better through their own actions rather than relying on politicians.

YellowMustard69 posted...

There is nothing about libertarianism that promotes the idea that people should not be paid well for the work they do.

Libertarianism is about promoting individuals to make society better through their own actions rather than relying on politicians.

Libertarianism is about being a suck up to Republicans

see: Rand Paul

Libertarians want whatever the rich tell them to want.

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Southernfatman posted...

Libertarians want whatever the rich tell them to want.

They worship the Exxon Mobil CEO types

Questionmarktarius posted...

So, uh, who cleans the toilets in a socialist utopia?

In my socialist utopia, a robot

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Questionmarktarius posted...

So, uh, who cleans the toilets in a socialist utopia?

we don't need toilets where we're going
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Questionmarktarius posted...

CruelBuffalo posted...

a person who has a liveable wage. I mean we can argue about the logistics if thats possible but pretty sure in a socialist utopia everyone has a liveable wage

Even Marx backed off of that ideal.
"To each according to his contribution"

Do you consider cleaning toilets a valid contribution to society?
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Anyone can clean a toilet. No need to specialize in it.

YellowMustard69 posted...

Anyone can clean a toilet. No need to specialize in it.

Post a picture of your toilet so we can see how good you are at cleaning a toilet

if its good enough youll get a job as toilet cleaner in my socialist utopia and youll earn a high wage, lets say $20/hr.

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Then why do we have jobs that are more or less centered around cleaning toilets when that can be tacked onto other people's duties
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MarqueeSeries posted...

Do you consider cleaning toilets a valid contribution to society?

It'll be one of the first "luxuries" to be declared superfluous, at the very least.

Im not a libertarian, by any means, but reality has a hierarchical bias.

reddit may not be the best place to go to get an idea of how people really think.

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cmiller4642 posted...

I don't think Libertarianism is real. It's a way of justifying the fact that you're a Republican Party bootlicker

lmao look at the crowd this topic attracts.

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If everyone that had a job that didn't pay a loving wage died, then everyone would be happily employed

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Libertarians just want the system to be to their favor when they're reincarnated as billionaires.

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I'm shocked this board doesn't have a modicum of understanding when it comes to libertarian ideals and beliefs...

This place is just as bad as 261 in that regard.

There's just no use in caring

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There's a reason why the "Libertarian to Fascism" pipeline is so common

A good way to see who is actually a Libertarian and who is just an ashamed Republican is to ask their opinions on having open borders

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@Questionmarktarius posted...

MarqueeSeries posted...

Do you consider cleaning toilets a valid contribution to society?

It'll be one of the first "luxuries" to be declared superfluous, at the very least.
...and then toilets themselves

I, for one, welcome the day that we figure out quantum stool displacement on an economically viable level
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The Great Muta 22 posted...

A good way to see who is actually a Libertarian and who is just an ashamed Republican is to ask their opinions on having open borders

You want the hottest of hot takes here?

Open borders are ideal, but you cannot simultaneously have open borders and a welfare state.

SixStringHero posted...

I'm shocked this board doesn't have a modicum of understanding when it comes to libertarian ideals and beliefs...

Does the board actually have a worse understanding than most people who call themselves libertarian though?

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HellRatUFO posted...

https://i.imgur.com/x0xWCMk.jpg

How long have those four buttons been hiding in the back there?

Questionmarktarius posted...

Even Marx backed off of that ideal.
"To each according to his contribution"

The line was "from each according to his ability; to each according to his needs". Or Luke 12:48 if you're feeling Biblical.

I mean, I've grown into the safety-net mentality myself. Used to be a pretty naive libertarian as a teenager. Nowadays I'm more of "yes, anybody can be rich, but no one should be in poverty".

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The23rdMagus posted...

The line was "from each according to his ability; to each according to his needs". Or Luke 12:48 if you're feeling Biblical.

And even Marx realized it was unsustainable, without some sort of divine intervention.

If I've learned anything, it's that libertarians spend more time arguing with libertarians than with anyone outside.
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