Current Events > Why do people act like evolution disproves God?

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DeadBankerDream posted...

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I'm clearly not labelling you as a creationist. But if I were it would be because of your parroting of creationist arguments rather than to make you look stupid. You parroting creationist arguments does that well on its own.

Do you see me even once talking about Genesis and the creation of life interpretation given there as some factual truth? I'm not even talking about the Bible here. I'm talking about merely the existence of a deity in general. Please read up what deism is.

Edit: Also your constant misunderstanding of scientific notions, like the big bang resulting from cosmic inflation, when it was the source of it. This type of language of pretending to understand science while having no clue about it is another creationist hallmark.

look i'm rpelying to so many people at once so was in a hurry typing that, but it isn't even a pressing issue nor the main point i was conveying. Inflation and the Big Bang are interchangeable in the sense that the inflation theory posits the sudden expansion as the driving force. Most scientists do take inflation theory at heart even though it's at best, still a theory. We settle at best what we have at least some evidence of until a better idea comes along with enough empirical evidence to displace.

Wutobliteration posted...

even though it's at best, still a theory.

Look at this classical creationist dumbo talking point.
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DeadBankerDream posted...

Look at this classical creationist dumbo talking point.

you haven't answered my last question but here's another to (hopefully) make you more self-aware:
do you know what a creationist is?

also do tell me why exactly is inflation not a theory? Seriously, I'd like to know what you're thinking here or once again, ***ing BSing your way out of ignorance with half-assed one-liners.

learn what a theory is.

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darkphoenix181 posted...

The apostles in the NT are constantly shown as not understanding Jesus and being unbelieiving and this isn't even taking into account when Peter denied Jesus and the other apostles hid during the crucifixion.
Like Jesus says "i gotta die" and Peter goes "no, shut up" and Jesus calls Peter Satan.

Well Peter didn't write any of the gospels. Moses did write part of the Bible but his story is one of redemption and trials, where Jonah's is one of, like, having a really bad attitude and never learning any better, lol.

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moses didn't write that. lol.

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We don't know everything. Not even close. We aren't capable of knowing everything either.

But that doesn't help the god claim. If anything, it's precisely why we shouldn't be so quick to accept it even as a "possibility." Because we don't even know if it's possible that some god exists.

DevsChum posted...

Moses did write part of the Bible but his story is one of redemption and trials

I mean, the thing that he did that God was really upset about was actually the last thing he did.
You call that redemption?

darkphoenix181 posted...

I mean, the thing that he did that God was really upset about was actually the last thing he did.
You call that redemption?

That's not even close to the last thing he did. He remains a major character for a long time after that. In fact, shortly after that, God uses him to save Israel from venomous serpents.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q1YAie4ns4

Evolution is a mystery.
Full of change that no one sees!
Clock makes a fool of history.
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Wutobliteration posted...

you haven't answered my last question but here's another to (hopefully) make you more self-aware:
do you know what a creationist is?

also do tell me why exactly is inflation not a theory? Seriously, I'd like to know what you're thinking here or once again, ***ing BSing your way out of ignorance with half-assed one-liners.

What's the definition of theory that you're using, here?

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Alucard188 posted...

The entire bible is allegory. The problem is people taking it as literal fact.

I don't think so
The Bible is a collection of books.

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Ethosian posted...

I'm not trying to be edgy, I just don't understand how educated people can believe in God as he is described by the Christian religion. The more we learn about science, the more we realize that gods were just created to explain things we couldn't explain at the time. Wouldn't you think a person believing in the Greek pantheon in this day and age was foolish?

Debunking religion doesn't answer the question of deity.

Theists and atheists are operating on incomplete data. The only rational stance is agnosticism.

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That's the technical truth without being quite so honest. Like, technically, you can't ever be sure of anything, but you make decisions based on incomplete data constantly.

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We unfortunately must use incomplete data (which is to say, the data currently available to us) to make decisions and hopefully to inform what we believe. It's the best we've got.

But when it comes to a deity, it's not based on incomplete data. It's based on no data. That's why the only rational position is to not believe that a god exists (whether you call that atheism, agnosticism, whatever).

Guide posted...

What's the definition of theory that you're using, here?

It really does suck that most people use the word theory very differently from how scientists do. I think a lot of misunderstanding of science comes from that disconnect.


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Guide posted...

That's the technical truth without being quite so honest. Like, technically, you can't ever be sure of anything, but you make decisions based on incomplete data constantly.

Obviously, but we often have reasonable expectations or context that inform our decisions. When it comes to questions of deity we don't have anything. I live my life as if there's no god of any sort because there's no reason to, but I don't need to. A decision about it doesn't have to be made unless you're a believer in an established religion. Most atheists I know are just people who are incapable of saying "I don't know." They're not more enlightened. In fact, I'd argue that a lot of them are the new Evangelical. The fact that anyone takes Dawkins seriously is laughable.

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vigorm0rtis posted...

Obviously, but we often have reasonable expectations or context that inform our decisions. When it comes to questions of deity we don't have anything. I live my life as if there's no god of any sort because there's no reason to, but I don't need to. A decision about it doesn't have to be made unless you're a believer in an established religion. Most atheists I know are just people who are incapable of saying "I don't know." They're not more enlightened. In fact, I'd argue that a lot of them are the new Evangelical. The fact that anyone takes Dawkins seriously is laughable.

I would say I'm an atheist and my stance is "I don't know." Describing atheism as the assertion that no god exists is inaccurate, even though there are atheists who would also erroneously make that claim.

Lorenzo_2003 posted...

It really does suck that most people use the word theory very differently from how scientists do. I think a lot of misunderstanding of science comes from that disconnect.

It's a useful filter for people who can't be bothered to learn the basics.

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Dragonblade01 posted...

I would say I'm an atheist and my stance is "I don't know." Describing atheism as the assertion that no god exists is inaccurate, even though there are atheists who would also erroneously make that claim.

Well, I did say "most" because I do know that there are different ways of approaching the notion. As I recall the American Atheists even make a point of defining atheism as addressing belief and agnosticism as addressing what you know, and by that standard I'm probably an atheist, but I find myself still willing to entertain the notion, so... I don't know.

Cosmology's funny. I don't know if you follow physics, if you've been following last month's experiments that raise some questions about objective reality on the quantum level? The soft science flip out around that was kind of nuts. That sort of thing keeps me from really thinking of myself as an atheist.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/5/9/eaaw9832

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https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5195/some-of-scientific-miracles-in-brief/

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I never took the book of Genesis literally, I'm 110% sure it's not meant to be taken literally

But that creates a paradox, if it's the word of God himself, why does it use a parable that stupid people would take literally? Ya think an omnipotent being would have more foresight.

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Shablagoo posted...

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5195/some-of-scientific-miracles-in-brief/

Are you posting that in earnest or as some sort of joke?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBHEsEshhLs

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GS4Life posted...

I never took the book of Genesis literally, I'm 110% sure it's not meant to be taken literally

But that creates a paradox, if it's the word of God himself, why does it use a parable that stupid people would take literally? Ya think an omnipotent being would have more foresight.

Well... let's assume that it's the word of God, just for the sake of argument. He would have been talking to a preliterate, nomadic tribe. Those are two things that count against the early Hebrews having the linguistic equipment to deal the concepts that'd be necessary to deal with anything other than parable.

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GS4Life posted...

I never took the book of Genesis literally, I'm 110% sure it's not meant to be taken literally

But that creates a paradox, if it's the word of God himself, why does it use a parable that stupid people would take literally? Ya think an omnipotent being would have more foresight.

there is a demographic of people who try to justify incest with the Bible too, lol.

the main one I hear is that Adam and Eve had more kids and those kids must've slept together to populate the Earth.

a lesser heard one I hear is Adam being Eve's father due to being born of his body.

then there's the whole thing about the forbidden fruit thing allegedly being a metaphor about sex.
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Dont forget Lilith.

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DeadBankerDream posted...

Are you posting that in earnest or as some sort of joke?

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